important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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Hi,

How about with other flash drives? If it is universal, then it is better to post it on Win10 forum as an advisory.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@...
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi

Would you be willing to post that for me? I believe I’m on the right group but I’m not positive. I can’t say absolutely that it’s universal, but the fat32 option is gone on every single flash drive I have hear, even my wife’s ones, which are already formatted properly. People can still of course use Linux to format them, using mkfs.vfat, but that’s not really user friendly. Some desktops in Linux have a format option that makes it a lot easier, gnome and mate both do, but windows doesn’t right now. The format command line program, if it still exists might be able to do it, but the functionality might be removed there if it hasn’t already been.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 12:52:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment
 

Hi,

How about with other flash drives? If it is universal, then it is better to post it on Win10 forum as an advisory.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@...
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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No this aint windows fault to be honest.

Here is the fat system.

01mb and lower to 2gb= fat16.

2gb to 32 gb = fat 32.

So its above fat 32.

You know I really think talking book players should either support formatting their drives or actually supporting ntfs or reformatting to their own format and have software able to do it.

So, in short your 64gb drive can't be used the way you want it, a 32gb drive or a 16gb drive or an 8gb drive but not anything higher than 32gb which is fine for books but yeah you'd think players would support higher storage spaces.

On 24/12/2017 7:25 p.m., coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
Hi all
This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality. This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

Thanks
Kendell Clark


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Rob Hudson
 

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
You know I really think talking book players should either support
formatting their drives or actually supporting ntfs or reformatting to
their own format and have software able to do it.
NTFS is harder on flash memory than fat 32. That's why you almost never get flash drives in NTFS, unless they are really large ones like 128 gb and up.
The reason NTFS is harder on flash drives is because these things only have a limited number of writes. NTFS is a journalling file system, meaning it writes to the media more often than would happen as fat 32.
In addition, NTFS supports permissions, which is often not applicable for flash drives. File permissions could actually create problems on those when you transfer them between computers.
The only time you might want to consider formatting a flash drive as NTFS is if you are going to copy a file more than 4gb in size to the drive.


Ian Blackburn
 

If you use Fat that will cope with files bigger than 4GB

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On 24 Dec 2017, at 4:03 pm, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@gmx.com> wrote:

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
You know I really think talking book players should either support
formatting their drives or actually supporting ntfs or reformatting to
their own format and have software able to do it.
NTFS is harder on flash memory than fat 32. That's why you almost never get flash drives in NTFS, unless they are really large ones like 128 gb and up.
The reason NTFS is harder on flash drives is because these things only have a limited number of writes. NTFS is a journalling file system, meaning it writes to the media more often than would happen as fat 32.
In addition, NTFS supports permissions, which is often not applicable for flash drives. File permissions could actually create problems on those when you transfer them between computers.
The only time you might want to consider formatting a flash drive as NTFS is if you are going to copy a file more than 4gb in size to the drive.


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Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files written, not on the file names as well.
It seems a little odd to remove such an option.

Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre formatted in that way.
Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?

If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
Brian


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----- Original Message -----
From: <coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hi all
This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality. This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

Thanks
Kendell Clark


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Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
exit

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Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files written, not on the file names as well.
It seems a little odd to remove such an option.

Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre formatted in that way.
Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?

If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
Brian


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----- Original Message -----
From: <coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hi all
This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality. This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

Thanks
Kendell Clark


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coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi

Thanks a lot for that little script, it was exactly what I was looking for. Something to put on my desktop to to click on when I get a new flash drive. Looking at the code, it seems to ask which stick to use, but does it actually give a list of sticks, or do you need to provide the drive letter? Also, a prompt for the volume label or name would be nice, but I think I can edit the script to add that since the language doesn’t seem too hard. Something like /p “volume name?” or similar?

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 2:56:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment
 
Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
 Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
 exit

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for flash drives for the moment


> Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for
> the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
> I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files
> written, not on the file names as well.
> It seems a little odd to remove such an option.
>
> Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre
> formatted in that  way.
> Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?
>
> If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
> Brian
>
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <coffeekingms@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
> Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for
> flash drives for the moment
>
>
> Hi all
> This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after
> unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book
> player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the
> XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital
> player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to
> ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This
> is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely
> unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash
> drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure
> exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the
> functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard
> drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not
> subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but
> I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide
> workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.
>
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
>
>
> Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook
>
>
>
>
>





Michel Such
 

Hi,


Just tested it:

from the command line:

format f: /fs:fat32

and it works fine.

Le 2017-12-24 à 09:56, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :
Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
exit

Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files written, not on the file names as well.
It seems a little odd to remove such an option.

Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre formatted in that  way.
Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?

If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
Brian


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----- Original Message ----- From: <coffeekingms@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hi all
This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

Thanks
Kendell Clark


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Michel Such


coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi

I agree  about players providing their own software. They could simply auto format flash drives on insertion, with a prompt of course. The problem with the companies providing their own software though is that they would almost certainly limit that software to the operating systems they perceive as popular, meaning windows and possibly mac. They would probably have an app for your smart device. That’s great except then every company which manufactures players would have their own app for their own players, resulting in multiples of the same app by different companies which all do the same thing. Better to have an open source app which multiple companies support if they’re going to go that route. Put it on git hub or something, and have it buildable on whatever OS you use. Pre built ones for windows, mac and maybe Linux as well, and app packages for android and IOS, just to cover all the bases. They wouldn’t even have to support it directly, just work together to develop it then give it to the community, with maybe an email address for help.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 2:03:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment
 
Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> You know I really think talking book players should either support
> formatting their drives or actually supporting ntfs or reformatting to
> their own format and have software able to do it.

NTFS is harder on flash memory than fat 32. That's why you almost never get flash drives in NTFS, unless they are really large ones like 128 gb and up.
The reason NTFS is harder on flash drives is because these things only have a limited number of writes. NTFS is a journalling file system, meaning it writes to the media more often than would happen as fat 32.
In addition, NTFS supports permissions, which is often not applicable for flash drives. File permissions could actually create problems on those when you transfer them between computers.
The only time you might want to consider formatting a flash drive as NTFS is if you are going to copy a file more than 4gb in size to the drive.




Rick
 

You can get the list of options for the command version of the format program by typing “format /?” at the command prompt. Below is the result from the latest version of Windows 10.

 

Formats a disk for use with Windows.

 

FORMAT volume [/FS:file-system] [/V:label] [/Q] [/L[:state]] [/A:size] [/C] [/I:state] [/X] [/P:passes] [/S:state]

FORMAT volume [/V:label] [/Q] [/F:size] [/P:passes]

FORMAT volume [/V:label] [/Q] [/T:tracks /N:sectors] [/P:passes]

FORMAT volume [/V:label] [/Q] [/P:passes]

FORMAT volume [/Q]

 

  volume          Specifies the drive letter (followed by a colon),

                  mount point, or volume name.

  /FS:filesystem  Specifies the type of the file system (FAT, FAT32, exFAT,

                  NTFS, UDF, ReFS).

  /V:label        Specifies the volume label.

  /Q              Performs a quick format. Note that this switch overrides /P.

  /C              NTFS only: Files created on the new volume will be compressed

                  by default.

  /X              Forces the volume to dismount first if necessary.  All opened

                  handles to the volume would no longer be valid.

  /R:revision     UDF only: Forces the format to a specific UDF version

                  (1.02, 1.50, 2.00, 2.01, 2.50).  The default

                  revision is 2.01.

  /D              UDF 2.50 only: Metadata will be duplicated.

  /L[:state]      NTFS Only: Overrides the default size of file record.

                  By default, a non-tiered volume will be formatted with small

                  size file records and a tiered volume will be formatted with

                  large size file records.  /L and /L:enable forces format to

                  use large size file records and /L:disable forces format to

                  use small size file records.

  /A:size         Overrides the default allocation unit size. Default settings

                  are strongly recommended for general use.

                  ReFS supports 64K.

                  NTFS supports 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16K, 32K, 64K.

                  FAT supports 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16K, 32K, 64K,

                  (128K, 256K for sector size > 512 bytes).

                  FAT32 supports 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16K, 32K, 64K,

                  (128K, 256K for sector size > 512 bytes).

                  exFAT supports 512, 1024, 2048, 4096, 8192, 16K, 32K, 64K,

                  128K, 256K, 512K, 1M, 2M, 4M, 8M, 16M, 32M.

 

                  Note that the FAT and FAT32 files systems impose the

                  following restrictions on the number of clusters on a volume:

 

                  FAT: Number of clusters <= 65526

                  FAT32: 65526 < Number of clusters < 4177918

 

                  Format will immediately stop processing if it decides that

                  the above requirements cannot be met using the specified

                  cluster size.

 

                  NTFS compression is not supported for allocation unit sizes

                  above 4096.

 

  /F:size         Specifies the size of the floppy disk to format (1.44)

  /T:tracks       Specifies the number of tracks per disk side.

  /N:sectors      Specifies the number of sectors per track.

  /P:count        Zero every sector on the volume.  After that, the volume

                  will be overwritten "count" times using a different

                  random number each time.  If "count" is zero, no additional

                  overwrites are made after zeroing every sector.  This switch

                  is ignored when /Q is specified.

  /S:state        Specifies support for short filenames (enable, disable)

                  Short names are disabled by default

  /TXF:state      Specifies txf is enabled/disabled (enabled, disabled)

                  TxF is enabled by default

  /I:state        ReFS only: Specifies whether integrity should be enabled on

                  the new volume. "state" is either "enable" or "disable"

                  Integrity is enabled on storage that supports data redundancy

                  by default.

  /DAX[:state]    NTFS Only: Enable direct access storage (DAX) mode for this

                  volume.  In DAX mode, the volume is accessed via the memory

                  bus, boosting IO performance.  A volume can be formatted

                  with DAX mode only if the hardware is DAX capable.

                  State can specify "enable" or "disable".  /DAX is considered

                  as /DAX:enable.

 

Rick

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@...
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 4:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Hi

I agree  about players providing their own software. They could simply auto format flash drives on insertion, with a prompt of course. The problem with the companies providing their own software though is that they would almost certainly limit that software to the operating systems they perceive as popular, meaning windows and possibly mac. They would probably have an app for your smart device. That’s great except then every company which manufactures players would have their own app for their own players, resulting in multiples of the same app by different companies which all do the same thing. Better to have an open source app which multiple companies support if they’re going to go that route. Put it on git hub or something, and have it buildable on whatever OS you use. Pre built ones for windows, mac and maybe Linux as well, and app packages for android and IOS, just to cover all the bases. They wouldn’t even have to support it directly, just work together to develop it then give it to the community, with maybe an email address for help.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Rob Hudson <rob_hudson_3182@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 2:03:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> You know I really think talking book players should either support
> formatting their drives or actually supporting ntfs or reformatting to
> their own format and have software able to do it.

NTFS is harder on flash memory than fat 32. That's why you almost never get flash drives in NTFS, unless they are really large ones like 128 gb and up.
The reason NTFS is harder on flash drives is because these things only have a limited number of writes. NTFS is a journalling file system, meaning it writes to the media more often than would happen as fat 32.
In addition, NTFS supports permissions, which is often not applicable for flash drives. File permissions could actually create problems on those when you transfer them between computers.
The only time you might want to consider formatting a flash drive as NTFS is if you are going to copy a file more than 4gb in size to the drive.



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It does give a list no, but I guess some kind of addition could be made. I have tweaked my system so that the drive letter is always e or f, but the one I need to not format is m .
Its very quick, some might say lazy. Ahem. I don't suggest I'm any good at this stuff, just know enough to get by... :-)
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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hi

Thanks a lot for that little script, it was exactly what I was looking for. Something to put on my desktop to to click on when I get a new flash drive. Looking at the code, it seems to ask which stick to use, but does it actually give a list of sticks, or do you need to provide the drive letter? Also, a prompt for the volume label or name would be nice, but I think I can edit the script to add that since the language doesn’t seem too hard. Something like /p “volume name?” or similar?

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Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
exit

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Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for
the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files
written, not on the file names as well.
It seems a little odd to remove such an option.

Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre
formatted in that way.
Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?

If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
Brian


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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for
flash drives for the moment


Hi all
This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after
unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book
player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the
XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital
player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to
ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This
is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely
unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash
drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure
exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the
functionality. This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard
drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not
subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but
I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide
workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

Thanks
Kendell Clark


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How odd, Seems that they bust the windows front end then?
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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hi,


Just tested it:

from the command line:

format f: /fs:fat32

and it works fine.


Le 2017-12-24 à 09:56, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io a écrit :
Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
exit

Brian

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Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files written, not on the file names as well.
It seems a little odd to remove such an option.

Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre formatted in that way.
Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?

If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
Brian


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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment


Hi all
This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality. This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

Thanks
Kendell Clark


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Michel Such


coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

Hi

You’re better at this than I am, I couldn’t even have cobbled this together. I can write a bash script to do it in Linux, since I know the cintax better and I know the command line programs that format stuff, but in windows? Not a chance. I never even considered that this was a bug, I assumed ms deliberately removed it hoping people will migrate over to the newer file systems. Which would be fine except that most blindy devices only support a limited set of them, mostly windows ones, or at least OS agnostic ones like fat and fat32. I do wish they would add ext2/3/4, btrfs, xfs, and some other Linux file systems as native support. It would go well with microsoft’s supposed mission of supporting the competition. It would go right in with wsl, windows subsystem for Linux and their support for gmail and iCloud email accounts. Whether it will happen though is anyone’s guess. I didn’t think they’d ever make windows installation accessible and when they did, they did it right, I have to say. Except for Cortana, that over rides narrator until you turn it off, and I’ve asked them to disable the speech intro if narrator is on. Still allow Cortana functionality, just disable the perky speech intro in favor of narrators, since it announces the intro anyway.

 

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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It does give a list no, but I guess some kind of addition could be made. I
have tweaked my system so that the drive letter is always e or f, but the
one I need to not format is m .
 Its very quick, some might say lazy. Ahem. I don't suggest I'm any good at
this stuff, just know enough to get by... :-)
 Brian

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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting
for flash drives for the moment


Hi

Thanks a lot for that little script, it was exactly what I was looking for.
Something to put on my desktop to to click on when I get a new flash drive.
Looking at the code, it seems to ask which stick to use, but does it
actually give a list of sticks, or do you need to provide the drive letter?
Also, a prompt for the volume label or name would be nice, but I think I can
edit the script to add that since the language doesn’t seem too hard.
Something like /p “volume name?” or similar?

Thanks

Kendell Clark





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Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting
for flash drives for the moment

Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
 Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
 exit

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for flash drives for the moment


> Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for
> the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
> I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files
> written, not on the file names as well.
> It seems a little odd to remove such an option.
>
> Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre
> formatted in that  way.
> Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?
>
> If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
> Brian
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <coffeekingms@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
> Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for
> flash drives for the moment
>
>
> Hi all
> This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after
> unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book
> player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the
> XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital
> player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to
> ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This
> is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely
> unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash
> drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure
> exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the
> functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard
> drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not
> subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but
> I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide
> workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.
>
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
>
>
> Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook
>
>
>
>
>









mk360
 

What about using diskpart?


El 24/12/2017 a las 3:25, coffeekingms@... escribió:

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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Roger Stewart
 

I have a utility called FAT 32 Format that will do the trick.  Can't remember where I got this thing, but it was free.  Maybe it's still around or maybe there's an updated version. 

Roger







On 12/24/2017 1:24 AM, coffeekingms@... wrote:

Hi

Would you be willing to post that for me? I believe I’m on the right group but I’m not positive. I can’t say absolutely that it’s universal, but the fat32 option is gone on every single flash drive I have hear, even my wife’s ones, which are already formatted properly. People can still of course use Linux to format them, using mkfs.vfat, but that’s not really user friendly. Some desktops in Linux have a format option that makes it a lot easier, gnome and mate both do, but windows doesn’t right now. The format command line program, if it still exists might be able to do it, but the functionality might be removed there if it hasn’t already been.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 12:52:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment
 

Hi,

How about with other flash drives? If it is universal, then it is better to post it on Win10 forum as an advisory.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@...
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

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Jason White
 

It appears from the documentation that the format-volume PowerShell command supports FAT32.

https://technet.microsoft.com/library/hh848665(v=wps.630).aspx

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mk360
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

What about using diskpart?

 

El 24/12/2017 a las 3:25, coffeekingms@... escribió:

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook

 

 


JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Hi.

I always use the format command from the command prompt, and I have a flash drive which we use in my girlfriend’s car, which works best with fat32 format. In fact, I think that might be the only format supported by the car stereo. So, yes, it definitely will format in fat32 if you do this way. Also running Windows 10 build 1709 here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: December 24, 2017 11:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

It appears from the documentation that the format-volume PowerShell command supports FAT32.

https://technet.microsoft.com/library/hh848665(v=wps.630).aspx

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mk360
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

What about using diskpart?

 

El 24/12/2017 a las 3:25, coffeekingms@... escribió:

Hi all

This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook

 

 


JM Casey <crystallogic@...>
 

Interesting thread, guys.

I never thought of a batch sscript to do the trick. But yes, all file systems are still available using the “format” command from cmd or powershell.

 

It’s not just the devices for the blind that use Fat32. As I pointed out in a previous post, car stereos do as well. It would be very unwise of MS to remove support for it. For one thing, NTFS is a Windows file system that is not supported by many other devices/oses. Fat can work with basically anything, even though it has limitations. They’re the kind of limitations that don’t really matter when you just want to have music in your car, or whatever.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@...
Sent: December 24, 2017 5:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

Hi

You’re better at this than I am, I couldn’t even have cobbled this together. I can write a bash script to do it in Linux, since I know the cintax better and I know the command line programs that format stuff, but in windows? Not a chance. I never even considered that this was a bug, I assumed ms deliberately removed it hoping people will migrate over to the newer file systems. Which would be fine except that most blindy devices only support a limited set of them, mostly windows ones, or at least OS agnostic ones like fat and fat32. I do wish they would add ext2/3/4, btrfs, xfs, and some other Linux file systems as native support. It would go well with microsoft’s supposed mission of supporting the competition. It would go right in with wsl, windows subsystem for Linux and their support for gmail and iCloud email accounts. Whether it will happen though is anyone’s guess. I didn’t think they’d ever make windows installation accessible and when they did, they did it right, I have to say. Except for Cortana, that over rides narrator until you turn it off, and I’ve asked them to disable the speech intro if narrator is on. Still allow Cortana functionality, just disable the perky speech intro in favor of narrators, since it announces the intro anyway.

 

 

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 3:41:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for flash drives for the moment

 

It does give a list no, but I guess some kind of addition could be made. I
have tweaked my system so that the drive letter is always e or f, but the
one I need to not format is m .
 Its very quick, some might say lazy. Ahem. I don't suggest I'm any good at
this stuff, just know enough to get by... :-)
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting
for flash drives for the moment


Hi

Thanks a lot for that little script, it was exactly what I was looking for.
Something to put on my desktop to to click on when I get a new flash drive.
Looking at the code, it seems to ask which stick to use, but does it
actually give a list of sticks, or do you need to provide the drive letter?
Also, a prompt for the volume label or name would be nice, but I think I can
edit the script to add that since the language doesn’t seem too hard.
Something like /p “volume name?” or similar?

Thanks

Kendell Clark





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________________________________
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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 2:56:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting
for flash drives for the moment

Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
 Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
 exit

Brian

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Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting
for flash drives for the moment


> Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for
> the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
> I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files
> written, not on the file names as well.
> It seems a little odd to remove such an option.
>
> Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre
> formatted in that  way.
> Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?
>
> If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
> Brian
>
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <coffeekingms@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 6:25 AM
> Subject: [nvda] important! Windows 10 doesn't allow fat 32 formatting for
> flash drives for the moment
>
>
> Hi all
> This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after
> unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book
> player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the
> XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital
> player can read neither of these file systems. I’ve submitted feedback to
> ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This
> is a problem because unless the dp’s firmware is updated, extremely
> unlikely, people who use windows 10 won’t be able to format new flash
> drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I’m sure
> exist. They won’t be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the
> functionality.  This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard
> drives have only the ntfs option. I’m posting hear because I’m not
> subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it’s off topic, but
> I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide
> workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.
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> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
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> Sent from my Vizio Ultrabook
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