Hi Brian,


As concerns the players and how to label them, the opposite is true with the US produced National Library Service (NLS) players. I routinely use numbering with leading zeros to get the files/folders to play in the order I want.



On 12/25/2017 4:57 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Well having no access to a car.....:-)
Interestingly, we get far more reliable sticks if formatted at fat32 than if its fat. I have no idea exactly why though.
This is basically off topic, but let me also impart some knowledge about ram stick players for the blind which I have gleaned.
1. The players do not care about file names.
2. They will play recordings in the order they were copied to the stick, ie, its no good giving them names like 00000001.mp3
000000002.mp3 and copying 2 before 1 as that will mean 2 plays first.

3. copying from a batch file tends to preserve order of copies, as does copying a folder with files in it
4. If copied using a batch file it seems you do not get caching which means you do not have to tick safely remove when you have finished.


The players used for these tests are the Kings Audio ones.

Happy Christmas to all and don't eat too much pudding.
Brian

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Interesting thread, guys.

I never thought of a batch sscript to do the trick. But yes, all file
systems are still available using the "format" command from cmd or
powershell.



It's not just the devices for the blind that use Fat32. As I pointed out in
a previous post, car stereos do as well. It would be very unwise of MS to
remove support for it. For one thing, NTFS is a Windows file system that is
not supported by many other devices/oses. Fat can work with basically
anything, even though it has limitations. They're the kind of limitations
that don't really matter when you just want to have music in your car, or
whatever.







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Hi

You're better at this than I am, I couldn't even have cobbled this together.
I can write a bash script to do it in Linux, since I know the cintax better
and I know the command line programs that format stuff, but in windows? Not
a chance. I never even considered that this was a bug, I assumed ms
deliberately removed it hoping people will migrate over to the newer file
systems. Which would be fine except that most blindy devices only support a
limited set of them, mostly windows ones, or at least OS agnostic ones like
fat and fat32. I do wish they would add ext2/3/4, btrfs, xfs, and some other
Linux file systems as native support. It would go well with microsoft's
supposed mission of supporting the competition. It would go right in with
wsl, windows subsystem for Linux and their support for gmail and iCloud
email accounts. Whether it will happen though is anyone's guess. I didn't
think they'd ever make windows installation accessible and when they did,
they did it right, I have to say. Except for Cortana, that over rides
narrator until you turn it off, and I've asked them to disable the speech
intro if narrator is on. Still allow Cortana functionality, just disable the
perky speech intro in favor of narrators, since it announces the intro
anyway.





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It does give a list no, but I guess some kind of addition could be made. I
have tweaked my system so that the drive letter is always e or f, but the
one I need to not format is m .
Its very quick, some might say lazy. Ahem. I don't suggest I'm any good at
this stuff, just know enough to get by... :-)
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Hi

Thanks a lot for that little script, it was exactly what I was looking for.
Something to put on my desktop to to click on when I get a new flash drive.
Looking at the code, it seems to ask which stick to use, but does it
actually give a list of sticks, or do you need to provide the drive letter?
Also, a prompt for the volume label or name would be nice, but I think I can

edit the script to add that since the language doesn't seem too hard.
Something like /p "volume name?" or similar?

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Just in case I was thinking of this from my Windows 7 machine.
Does this work in 10?

@echo off


set /p drive= Which stick should I use?
echo Please wait...

format %drive%:/fs:fat32/v:tested
pause
exit

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Hmm, this would be important to know as the majority of audio players for
the blind that play ram sticks will not read ntfs.
I'm sure you know most of these players only work on the order of files
written, not on the file names as well.
It seems a little odd to remove such an option.

Luckily most players can read fat, and most generic sticks I see are pre
formatted in that way.
Tell me, what about the command line way of formatting?

If you don't know the syntax I can get it for you.
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Hi all
This is just a warning, nothing earth shattering. I discovered after
unwrapping a new 64 gb flash drive for use with my nnls talking book
player that windows 10 version 1709, all updates installed, only has the
XFat, and ntfs options available when formatting the drive. The digital
player can read neither of these file systems. I've submitted feedback to
ms asking for fat32 to be restored but who knows if it will happen. This
is a problem because unless the dp's firmware is updated, extremely
unlikely, people who use windows 10 won't be able to format new flash
drives or reformat old ones without using another program, which I'm sure
exist. They won't be able to do it out of the box unless ms restores the
functionality. This seems to only apply to flash drives. External hard
drives have only the ntfs option. I'm posting hear because I'm not
subscribed to the baard talk list any longer. Sorry if it's off topic, but
I wanted to let everyone know so others can jump on this or provide
workarounds if needed. Right now I have a 32 gb flash drive I can use.

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