NVDA With Task Manager
Yes that is what I thought to.
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A lot of these things should only process data while idol. Of course, if the company in question is having this on their servers it may simply be set to do whatever it does whenever something is idol. That could mean that when you run nvda it may actually take time to stop whatever then go back. Of course, having used nvda with some extensive opperations from time to time, you really don't need to do much to break nvda completely or slow it down such that its broken unless you reboot. Excluding waterfox, I have had this happen with some of my recording programs and with some converters and the like. Most of the time things come back after a bit or after the app is done but sometimes depending where all the automated whatevers are at and so on, I have had situations where things have screwed over and I have had to reboot but who knows. Of course if this thing is configured to run taking any idol data asnd assuming its installed on all the systems it actually may be monitoring for any idol time available. This is only a guess, so that being the case I doubt the system can differentiate exactly what that means. Nvda to be honest doesn't use that much power generally, I mean it could run at a stretch on singlecore systems, so depending on addons and synth used, nvda really doesn't need that much cpu power at all. As for it being an app, its almost an old style tsr as supposed to an active thing sitting in systray. So maybe the saver doesn't reguard it as an active process, and in some ways it would be right. Nvda really doesn't process much data by itself all the time if at all. However it is effected by everything else around it. Its one of the querks. Its like the enhanced soundcard issues. Those enhancements are to hide the small speaker issues with laptops. They work well with speech in movies and music but tts just aint long enough a loop to process correctly.
On 20/10/2020, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I might have missed something here, but shouldn't the screen saver only
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Quentin Christensen
I might have missed something here, but shouldn't the screen saver only come on after there is no activity on the PC for awhile? I know we had an issue at one time where if you were reading a particularly long piece of text (which took longer to read than the timeout for the screensaver) it would stop reading when the screensaver starter. I think we actually resolved that one, but that's about the only instance I can think of where the screensaver should cause a problem? The only other "screensaver" type thing which can be problematic, is there are a few "distributed computing" programs around now like BOINC and Folding @ Home and others. They use your computer's idle time (when the processor isn't busy doing anything else) to compute various things from finding cures for cancer (or Covid_19), to searching for alien life and anything else you can think of which would take a lot of computing power. Sometimes those programs will keep trying to use processing power even when you are using the PC, and this can cause significant degradation of performance with screenreaders (and even in general without using a screenreader). Otherwise, I'd be interested to learn more about the screenreader causing problems. Quentin.
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 1:11 AM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote: I just got an error trying that at the Windows 10 CLI: --
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I just got an error trying that at the Windows 10 CLI:
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"set invalid alias verb" Please advise. Chris
On 2020-10-19 4:55 a.m., Martin O'Sullivan wrote:
Well I have managed to resolve the problem.
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Hmm, will that work with the Shark product too I wonder? Now that one definitely lags!
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On 2020-10-19 4:55 a.m., Martin O'Sullivan wrote:
Well I have managed to resolve the problem.
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Martin O'Sullivan
It is my computer at work, I have disabled the screen saver, as I am working from home. so, it works well now.
To keep NVDA functioning over the last few weeks I tweaked every setting I could only found that the screen saver was processing data last Friday. so now with the screen saver disabled, and all the other tweaks NVDA runs very well.
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Martin, with the computer you are working on is this your computer or is it just a computer you personally use at work. If its not shared, I wander if you can ask your company to remove the screen reader, if not uninstall it completely at least have it not run on your account. If its a system you usually use, can you ask the company to simply remove the reader saying it interfiers with the reader? On a lot of systems I service weather family or for places I usually work with, in addition to all the accounts, I also have an admin account with a password. This has everything including startup and such as little as possible. This includes thirdparty security, chat and other software so at least I can work in this account without a problem. Either that or ask the company to have the screen saver at a lower priority when you are using the system or the system is being used. To be honest if this is a something you usually use and no one needs to access it then you should just disable the screen saver alltogether and use screen curtain. I do not have any extras running on the system, bar the drivers needed to make it work. On the workstations I do need to run 1drive, dropbox and google sync for the cloud storage as well as icloud but thats it. Saying that I have people I maintain that insist on having various things like spotify, skype, and several other things they need active at startup running at once and yeah its a real pain to get about. Thing is these data collection systems should be only running when the thing is not being used.
On 19/10/2020 9:55 pm, Martin
O'Sullivan wrote:
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Martin O'Sullivan
Well I have managed to resolve the problem.
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Quentin Christensen
Are you using any NVDA add-ons? Also, have you restarted the PC lately? And actually - why were you trying to access task manager in the first place? Just thinking if you were accessing it because something was misbehaving and making the system sluggish..... then that might be your culprit :)
On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 4:34 AM Richard Wells <richwels@...> wrote: I love the old task manager! It is great to have it back. I did run into --
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Richard Wells
I love the old task manager! It is great to have it back. I did run into
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the same problem on the winaero site that I described in another thread. The download link would not work using NVDA and Chrome latest. I had to copy the URL from the context menu and the run dialog to get the installer to download.
On 10/16/2020 12:06 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Imo the new task manager is much better. I used to use Process Explorer instead of the old (so called classic) task manager, but I don't bother with it much anymore (well, it also doesn't work great with nVDA, to be fair...)
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JM Casey
Imo the new task manager is much better. I used to use Process Explorer instead of the old (so called classic) task manager, but I don't bother with it much anymore (well, it also doesn't work great with nVDA, to be fair...)
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I did notice that there were huge and annoying lag for my screen-readers (never tried narrator though) with both task manager and settings apps...I mean, having to wait five or six seconds between a key press and speech output. Thankfully this "went away' several windows updates back, though I'm not really sure when.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: October 16, 2020 12:29 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA With Task Manager That's true about slower machines. There is an alternative though, a utility that can get classic old Task Manager in Windows 10 back. https://winaero.com/get-classic-old-task-manager-in-windows-10/
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Well, I have definitely noticed that it takes a lot longer for Task Manager to "become active" if you use the detailed view for processes than it did in days past, but that's whether I have a screen reader active at the moment or not.
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That's true about slower machines. There is an alternative though, a utility that can get classic old Task Manager in Windows 10 back.
https://winaero.com/get-classic-old-task-manager-in-windows-10/
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Chris
Have you tried narrator? What happens then?
Or check task manager for what is consuming all your CPU It may not be necessarily an nvda issue
Usually this sort of thing is down to a low end spec machine if nothing else is apparent
From: Martin O'Sullivan
Sent: 16 October 2020 13:59 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA With Task Manager
Sorry should have mentioned that I have tried 3 synths, and they were all the same.
I turned the speech viewer tool on , and the sited person was able to see that most of the time that the computer would move the cursor, and then NVDA would output speech after a delay.
I went into windows settings and gave the following files high performance on the Graphics performance settings.
nvda.exe nvda_eoaProxy.exe nvda_noUIAccess.exe nvda_slave.exe nvda_uiAccess.exe
If NVDA is not running the performance of the computer is not much different. That is the computer seems to perform ok, however there is a delay from NVDA.
And here is another problem, which seems to me to be related.
Every so often NVDA will read the previous line and it will only read the line which I am on correctly once I actually highlight that line.
There is no other way of getting it to read the line, it just will not read that text. Like never and I mean never just will not read it. It sees the text in one line as another. This is very hard to explain, However, if you had one line which had the word cat, and another line which had the word dog, Nvda would read the line which said cat, then you would arrow down to the line with the word dog, and nvda would say cat. This problem is intermittent. .
I just need it to go faster.
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Luke Robinett
I experience noticeable slowness in the task manager screen as well. To be clear, I’m referring to the screen reached by pressing control alt delete followed by alt T, where I can access all running processes. It takes a long time for the list to be populated, but once it’s there, it’s good. I don’t have particular issues with NVDA slowness elsewhere though, so I don’t know if our issues are related. Hope you figure out the problem
On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:59 AM, Martin O'Sullivan <osumartin@...> wrote:
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Martin O'Sullivan
Sorry should have mentioned that I have tried 3 synths, and they were all the same.
I turned the speech viewer tool on , and the sited person was able to see that most of the time that the computer would move the cursor, and then NVDA would output speech after a delay.
I went into windows settings and gave the following files high performance on the Graphics performance settings.
nvda.exe nvda_eoaProxy.exe nvda_noUIAccess.exe nvda_slave.exe nvda_uiAccess.exe
If NVDA is not running the performance of the computer is not much different. That is the computer seems to perform ok, however there is a delay from NVDA.
And here is another problem, which seems to me to be related.
Every so often NVDA will read the previous line and it will only read the line which I am on correctly once I actually highlight that line.
There is no other way of getting it to read the line, it just will not read that text. Like never and I mean never just will not read it. It sees the text in one line as another. This is very hard to explain, However, if you had one line which had the word cat, and another line which had the word dog, Nvda would read the line which said cat, then you would arrow down to the line with the word dog, and nvda would say cat. This problem is intermittent. .
I just need it to go faster.
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Gene
And if you have tried a different synthesizer, how does Narrator perform or a JAWS demo? We have no information at this point confirming that the problem is with NVDA or something else.
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Gene
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From: Gene via groups.io Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA With Task Manager What speech are you using? The problem may be that NVDA is slow but you haven't said anything indicating that you have ruled out the synthesizer. Gene -----Original Message----- From: Martin O'Sullivan Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:06 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA With Task Manager I am trying to get NVDA to work with task manager, and It just won't read out any of the items. I am having major issues with nvda running slowly, in all applications for the last few months. it has become extremely sluggish. even typing out this message it is now taking NVDA about 2 seconds to report back each letter press. Is there any list of steps I can take to just make it go fast. I have uninstalled it, I have wiped my computer and still the same My computer runs fine it is just NVDA which is slow. I have no addons installed I am running windows 10 Is there any graphics acceleration options I need to change? So, can we just put a go faster button on NVDA? :-)
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Gene
What speech are you using? The problem may be that NVDA is slow but you haven't said anything indicating that you have ruled out the synthesizer.
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Gene
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From: Martin O'Sullivan Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 5:06 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA With Task Manager I am trying to get NVDA to work with task manager, and It just won't read out any of the items. I am having major issues with nvda running slowly, in all applications for the last few months. it has become extremely sluggish. even typing out this message it is now taking NVDA about 2 seconds to report back each letter press. Is there any list of steps I can take to just make it go fast. I have uninstalled it, I have wiped my computer and still the same My computer runs fine it is just NVDA which is slow. I have no addons installed I am running windows 10 Is there any graphics acceleration options I need to change? So, can we just put a go faster button on NVDA? :-)
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Chris
Have you tried another synth ?,
From: Martin O'Sullivan
Sent: 16 October 2020 11:06 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA With Task Manager
I am trying to get NVDA to work with task manager, and It just won't read out any of the items.
I am having major issues with nvda running slowly, in all applications for the last few months. it has become extremely sluggish. even typing out this message it is now taking NVDA about 2 seconds to report back each letter press.
Is there any list of steps I can take to just make it go fast.
I have uninstalled it, I have wiped my computer and still the same My computer runs fine it is just NVDA which is slow. I have no addons installed I am running windows 10 Is there any graphics acceleration options I need to change?
So, can we just put a go faster button on NVDA? :-)
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Martin O'Sullivan
I am trying to get NVDA to work with task manager, and It just won't read out any of the items.
I am having major issues with nvda running slowly, in all applications for the last few months. it has become extremely sluggish. even typing out this message it is now taking NVDA about 2 seconds to report back each letter press.
Is there any list of steps I can take to just make it go fast.
I have uninstalled it,
I have wiped my computer and still the same
My computer runs fine it is just NVDA which is slow.
I have no addons installed
I am running windows 10
Is there any graphics acceleration options I need to change?
So, can we just put a go faster button on NVDA? :-)
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