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Gene #35237 There are sites where JAVA scripts are necessary. You have different alternatives. You can have more than one copy of firefox on your machine. You can have whatever version you have now with JAVA scripts off, and a portable version, the same version but a portable one, with JAVA scripts on. You would use one when you want to have JAVA scripts off and the other when you want them on. You can turn scripts on when you need them in Firefox in about:config, and then turn them off again, but that is inconvenient. You can use a program like noscript. I haven't used it to any extent and I'm not sure how convenient or accessible it is. I didn't say anything about your sincerity. You obviously believe what you are saying. You never present any basis for it nor do you explain why computer and security experts who say you should use such programs are wrong. This appears to verge on classic conspiracy theory thinking. With all the businesses and government agencies and schools and scientific organizations in the world who rely on such programs, and with all the white hat hackers in the world, if a program were selling information stolen by their programs, it would be headline news. If you trust malware designers to keep your computer safe more than reputable antimalware programs, that's your choice. It is not logical but that's your choice. Gene toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: zahra Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:02 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! gene, i disabled javascript and many features of firefox. but i said with complete sincerity that i dont trust any security programs and never use them. i changed many settings in options and also about:config i realy wish to know which setting i change and i cant login to my quora account with disabling javascript! can you please tell me changing what setting may caused this problem for me? openning sites with javascript, displaying frames and flash content is extremely difficult, specially for screen reader users. i realy dont believe in updating softwares,operating system and concerning about technology. it causes just afraid, worried, and sadness to always be change, think about beeing updating and just use new technologies. On 2/12/18, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote: > The XP machines when trying to update doesn't work very well. > So I don't keep upgrading because it brings my machine down and un useable. > So I know that on this machine I use it for mail and basic stuff, making > sure not to open URL's I don't know or emails. > Thanks, we all have to do what makes productive the best we can be > ! > > > > $$$$ > > EMAIL:karim.lakhani@... > $$$$ > SKYPE: goldenace4 > $$$$ > Keep your fears to yourself, > but share your courage with others. > ** > Robert Louis Stevenson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's > Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:42 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting > to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. > There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of > a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every > day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just > see what state the choices of what you can use are in now. > > > I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and > full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live > with some risk but it can be reduced. > I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal email to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > > It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and > > real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer > without > you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware > infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust > malware > makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you > trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful > protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and > > very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is > > irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse, > you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging > browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six > months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version > as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable > because > it hasn't received updates in quite some time. > > Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will > give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet. > > As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and > evidently, well entrenched. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: zahra > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > > hello. > i dont use such program and dont trust anyone. > > On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote: >> Hello XP Users, >> >> May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io >> Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >> >> Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here >> in >> the homw of old tech. >> They do what they do well enough. >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal email to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >> >> >> Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in >> 2016, >> when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and >> stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including > on >> Windows 10 at work. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of >> Brian's >> Mail list account via Groups.Io >> Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >> >> I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one >> used >> by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new > one? >> Brian >> >> bglists@... >> Sent via blueyonder. >> Please address personal email to:- >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >> in the display name field. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >> >> >> Hi, >> The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. >> Cheers, >> Joseph >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann >> Byrne >> Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM >> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >> >> What is the universal skype app??? >> At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: >> >>>I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't >>>knock it till you try it guys. >>> >>>On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: >>>>I use the universal Skype app all the time. >>>>Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key >>>>commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop >>>>program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. >>>>Have a great one, guys! >>>>Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for >>>>Windows 10 >>>>From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee >>>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM >>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>>ย >>>>Hi, >>>>Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to >>>>conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). >>>>Cheers, >>>>Joseph >>>>ย >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: >>>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey >>>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM >>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>>ย >>>>That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, >>>>really. Come on Microsoft. >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: >>>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige >>>>Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM >>>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>>ย >>>>In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way >>>>to use it really. >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: >>>> >ย >>>> > Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, >>>> >because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and >>>> >tabbing between options. >>>> >ย >>>> >ย >>>> > On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>> >>ย >>>> >> Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version >>>> >>here in a bit. >>>> >>ย >>>> >>ย >>>> >> On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>> >>>ย >>>> >>> OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. >>>> >>>ย >>>> >>>ย >>>> >>> I'll give it a try. >>>> >>>ย >>>> >>>ย >>>> >>> On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: >>>> >>>>ย >>>> >>>> The same way you uninstall any program: >>>> >>>>ย >>>> >>>> Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and >>>> >>>>Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the >>>> >>>>list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to >>>> >>>>remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, >>>> >>>>Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>>> >>>>>ย >>>> >>>>> So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the >>>> >>>>>universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the >>>> >>>>>rescue. LOL! >>>> >>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>ย >>>> >>>>> On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote: >>>> >>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>> Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. >>>> >>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>> Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install >>>> >>>>>>7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 >>>> >>>>>>without problems some weeks ago. >>>> >>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>> >>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>> Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas >>>> >>>>>> Editor >>>> >>>>>> <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... >>>> >>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es >>>> >>>>>>-www.NVDA.es ย Usuario do NVDA en galego ย Note que a >>>> >>>>>>anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter >>>> >>>>>>informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O >>>> emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก >>>> reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do >>>> remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta >>>> mesma vรญa e destrรบa a >>>> mensaxe.** O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland > escribiu: >>>> >>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>> Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 >>>> >>>>>>>as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of >> Skype. >>>> >>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't >>>> >>>>>>>prefer it. >>>> >>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>> I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people >>>> >>>>>>>seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I >>>> >>>>>>>can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and >>>> >>>>>>>get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! >>>> >>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> Rich, >>>> >>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>> Remove your current skype installation and install the skype >>>> >>>>>>>>classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old >>>> >>>>>>>>installation, you will get two skype >>>> versions after installation of the classic version. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky >>>> pe-full >>>> >>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Marten >>>> >>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 >>>> "Brian's Mail list account via >>>> Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon >>>> der.co.uk@groups.io>ย >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>> I've never had it force an update on >>>> windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version. >>>> >>>>>>>>> However there does seem to have been >>>> a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I >>>> hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the >>>> tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back >>>> afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย Brian >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... >>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>>> >>>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:- >>>> <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., >>>> >>>>>>>>> putting 'Brian Gaff' >>>> >>>>>>>>> in the display name field. >>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> >>>> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM >>>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>> I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. >>>> >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered >>>> >>>>>>>>>Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like >>>> >>>>>>>>>Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I >>>> >>>>>>>>>could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys >>>> >>>>>>>>>that I previously used would work. I received a call from a >>>> >>>>>>>>>friend right after this forced installation and could not >>>> >>>>>>>>>answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for >>>> >>>>>>>>>answering a call was useless, as were all other previous >>>> >>>>>>>>>shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I >>>> >>>>>>>>>totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype >>>> >>>>>>>>>as NVDA >>>> users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat >>>> program? >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Rich De Steno >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>> >>>>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>>> >>>>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>>> >>>>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>>> >>>>>>ย >>>> >>>>>ย >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>> >>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>>> >>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>>> >>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>>> >>>>ย >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Rich De Steno >>>> >>>ย >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Christopher Gilland >>>> >>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>>> >>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>>> >>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>>> >>ย >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Christopher Gilland >>>> >> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>>> >><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>>> >> (980) 500-9575X401 >>>> >ย >>>> > >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>ย >>>>ย >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. > holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. > in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: > indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. > best website for studying islamic book in different languages > www.al-islam.org > > > > > > > > > > > -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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zahra #35233 gene, i disabled javascript and many features of firefox. but i said with complete sincerity that i dont trust any security programs and never use them. i changed many settings in options and also about:config i realy wish to know which setting i change and i cant login to my quora account with disabling javascript! can you please tell me changing what setting may caused this problem for me? openning sites with javascript, displaying frames and flash content is extremely difficult, specially for screen reader users. i realy dont believe in updating softwares,operating system and concerning about technology. it causes just afraid, worried, and sadness to always be change, think about beeing updating and just use new technologies. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 2/12/18, Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> wrote: The XP machines when trying to update doesn't work very well. So I don't keep upgrading because it brings my machine down and un useable. So I know that on this machine I use it for mail and basic stuff, making sure not to open URL's I don't know or emails. Thanks, we all have to do what makes productive the best we can be ! $$$$ EMAIL:karim.lakhani@... $$$$ SKYPE: goldenace4 $$$$ Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others. ** Robert Louis Stevenson -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what state the choices of what you can use are in now. I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live with some risk but it can be reduced. I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time. Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet. As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: zahra Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! hello. i dont use such program and dont trust anyone. On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote: Hello XP Users, May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in the homw of old tech. They do what they do well enough. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in 2016, when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on Windows 10 at work. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. ย ย ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. ย ย On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: ย Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. ย ย On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. ย ย On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. ย ย I'll give it a try. ย ย On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: ย The same way you uninstall any program: ย Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! ย ย On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote: ย Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. ย Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. ย ย Regards. ย Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... ย Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es ย Usuario do NVDA en galego ย Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta mesma vรญa e destrรบa a mensaxe.** O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: ย Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. ย ย I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! ย ย On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, ย Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full ย Regards, Marten ย On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>ย wrote: ย I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. ย ย Brian ย <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย ย I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? ย -- Rich De Steno ย ย ย ย ย ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Rich De Steno ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Karim Lakhani <karim.lakhani@...> #35173 The XP machines when trying to update doesn't work very well. So I don't keep upgrading because it brings my machine down and un useable. So I know that on this machine I use it for mail and basic stuff, making sure not to open URL's I don't know or emails. Thanks, we all have to do what makes productive the best we can be ! $$$$ EMAIL:karim.lakhani@... $$$$ SKYPE: goldenace4 $$$$ Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others. ** Robert Louis Stevenson toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what state the choices of what you can use are in now. I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live with some risk but it can be reduced. I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time. Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet. As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: zahra Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! hello. i dont use such program and dont trust anyone. On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote: Hello XP Users, May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in the homw of old tech. They do what they do well enough. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in 2016, when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on Windows 10 at work. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. ย ย ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. ย ย On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: ย Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. ย ย On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. ย ย On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. ย ย I'll give it a try. ย ย On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: ย The same way you uninstall any program: ย Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! ย ย On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote: ย Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. ย Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. ย ย Regards. ย Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... ย Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es ย Usuario do NVDA en galego ย Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta mesma vรญa e destrรบa a mensaxe.** O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: ย Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. ย ย I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! ย ย On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, ย Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full ย Regards, Marten ย On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>ย wrote: ย I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. ย ย Brian ย <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย ย I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? ย -- Rich De Steno ย ย ย ย ย ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Rich De Steno ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Shaun Everiss #35171 You know I agree with you. I don't have an xp machine anymore but yeah I'd like to have a try and see what one did. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 13/02/2018 5:41 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what state the choices of what you can use are in now. I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live with some risk but it can be reduced. I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time. Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet. As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: zahra Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! hello. i dont use such program and dont trust anyone. On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote: Hello XP Users, May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in the homw of old tech. They do what they do well enough. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in 2016, when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on Windows 10 at work. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. ย ย ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. ย ย On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: ย Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. ย ย On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. ย ย On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. ย ย I'll give it a try. ย ย On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: ย The same way you uninstall any program: ย Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! ย ย On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote: ย Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. ย Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. ย ย Regards. ย Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... ย Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es ย Usuario do NVDA en galego ย *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta mesma vรญa e destrรบa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: ย Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. ย ย I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! ย ย On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, ย Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full ย Regards, Marten ย On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>ย wrote: ย I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. ย ย Brian ย <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย ย I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? ย -- Rich De Steno ย ย ย ย ย ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Rich De Steno ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย
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Gene #35166 I'm not being unfair. I don't object to Zara using XP and I didn't say I do. I made my comments because Zara said she doesn't use any antimalware programs because she doesn't trust any of them. In addition to her statement, I know from other messages that she is using XP and she is using a version of Firefox that isn't receiving security updates. One security risk piled on another piled on another. If Zara has JAVA scripts disabled, that will give her a good deal of protection on the Internet. But in today's security environment, not using antimalware protection is, to understate the case, a very bad idea. Gene toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:41 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what state the choices of what you can use are in now. I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live with some risk but it can be reduced. I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time. Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet. As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: zahra Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! hello. i dont use such program and dont trust anyone. On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote: > Hello XP Users, > > May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here > in > the homw of old tech. > They do what they do well enough. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal email to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > > Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in > 2016, > when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and > stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on > Windows 10 at work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Brian's > Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one > used > by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal email to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > > Hi, > The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. > Cheers, > Joseph > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann > Byrne > Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > What is the universal skype app??? > At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: > >>I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't >>knock it till you try it guys. >> >>On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: >>>I use the universal Skype app all the time. >>>Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key >>>commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop >>>program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. >>>Have a great one, guys! >>>Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for >>>Windows 10 >>>From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee >>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM >>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>ย >>>Hi, >>>Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to >>>conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). >>>Cheers, >>>Joseph >>>ย >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: >>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey >>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM >>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>ย >>>That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, >>>really. Come on Microsoft. >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: >>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige >>>Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM >>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>ย >>>In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way >>>to use it really. >>>ย >>>ย >>>On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: >>> >ย >>> > Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, >>> >because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and >>> >tabbing between options. >>> >ย >>> >ย >>> > On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>ย >>> >> Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version >>> >>here in a bit. >>> >>ย >>> >>ย >>> >> On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>>ย >>> >>> OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. >>> >>>ย >>> >>>ย >>> >>> I'll give it a try. >>> >>>ย >>> >>>ย >>> >>> On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: >>> >>>>ย >>> >>>> The same way you uninstall any program: >>> >>>>ย >>> >>>> Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and >>> >>>>Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the >>> >>>>list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to >>> >>>>remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, >>> >>>>Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>> So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the >>> >>>>>universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the >>> >>>>>rescue. LOL! >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>> On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote: >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install >>> >>>>>>7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 >>> >>>>>>without problems some weeks ago. >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Regards. >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas >>> >>>>>> Editor >>> >>>>>> <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es >>> >>>>>>-www.NVDA.es ย Usuario do NVDA en galego ย *Note que a >>> >>>>>>anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter >>> >>>>>>informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O >>> emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก >>> reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do >>> remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta >>> mesma vรญa e destrรบa a >>> mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 >>> >>>>>>>as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of > Skype. >>> >>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't >>> >>>>>>>prefer it. >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people >>> >>>>>>>seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I >>> >>>>>>>can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and >>> >>>>>>>get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> Rich, >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>> Remove your current skype installation and install the skype >>> >>>>>>>>classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old >>> >>>>>>>>installation, you will get two skype >>> versions after installation of the classic version. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky >>> pe-full >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Marten >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 >>> "Brian's Mail list account via >>> Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon >>> der.co.uk@groups.io>ย >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> I've never had it force an update on >>> windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. >>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version. >>> >>>>>>>>> However there does seem to have been >>> a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I >>> hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the >>> tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back >>> afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. >>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย Brian >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>> >>>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:- >>> <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., >>> >>>>>>>>> putting 'Brian Gaff' >>> >>>>>>>>> in the display name field. >>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> >>> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM >>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. >>> >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered >>> >>>>>>>>>Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like >>> >>>>>>>>>Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I >>> >>>>>>>>>could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys >>> >>>>>>>>>that I previously used would work. I received a call from a >>> >>>>>>>>>friend right after this forced installation and could not >>> >>>>>>>>>answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for >>> >>>>>>>>>answering a call was useless, as were all other previous >>> >>>>>>>>>shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I >>> >>>>>>>>>totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype >>> >>>>>>>>>as NVDA >>> users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat >>> program? >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> -- Rich De Steno >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>> >>>>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >>>>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >>>>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Christopher Gilland >>> >>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >>>>ย >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Rich De Steno >>> >>>ย >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Christopher Gilland >>> >>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >>ย >>> >> -- >>> >> Christopher Gilland >>> >> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >ย >>> > >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Brian's Mail list account #35163 I feel you are being a little unfair. I have no issue with people wanting to use older systems, but I do feel that it does pay to know the risks. There will always be niche users, but XP is still being used by one heck of a lot of people out there, despite all you say. its a fact, I see it every day and its exactly why I keep a couple of machines running it here to just see what state the choices of what you can use are in now. I also agree of course that many many sites and programs are suspect and full of holes or infected with goodness only knows what. One has to live with some risk but it can be reduced. I don't think being dismissive of people is the way to get change, myself. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time. Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet. As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: zahra Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! hello. i dont use such program and dont trust anyone. On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote: Hello XP Users, May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in the homw of old tech. They do what they do well enough. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in 2016, when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on Windows 10 at work. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. ย ย ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. ย ย On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: ย Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. ย ย On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. ย ย On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. ย ย I'll give it a try. ย ย On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: ย The same way you uninstall any program: ย Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! ย ย On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote: ย Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. ย Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. ย ย Regards. ย Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... ย Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es ย Usuario do NVDA en galego ย *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta mesma vรญa e destrรบa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: ย Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. ย ย I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! ย ย On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, ย Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full ย Regards, Marten ย On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>ย wrote: ย I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. ย ย Brian ย <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย ย I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? ย -- Rich De Steno ย ย ย ย ย ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Rich De Steno ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Gene #35153 It's unfortunate you have such a well developed ability to ignore facts and real situations and possibilities. Malware can attack your computer without you doing anything incorrect. there is a growing problem of malware infesting hacked ads even on the most reputable sites. So you trust malware makers not to attack your computer without your knowledge more than you trust reputable malware companies to gibve you some amount of meaningful protection? There are malware program manufacturers that are reputable and very highly thought of. Not trusting anyone in the context you speak of is irrational and ignores well established facts. And to make matters worse, you are using a vulnerable version of Windows and an an increasingly aging browser that won't have any security updates for XP users in about six months if you use the ESR version. You are also not using the ESR version as far as I know which means your browser is increasingly vulnerable because it hasn't received updates in quite some time. Are you at least disabling JAVA scripts unless they are needed? That will give you quite a bit of protection on the Internet. As I said, your ability to completely ignore facts is unfortunate and evidently, well entrenched. Gene toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: zahra Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:34 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! hello. i dont use such program and dont trust anyone. On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote: > Hello XP Users, > > May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in > the homw of old tech. > They do what they do well enough. > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal email to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > > Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in > 2016, > when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and > stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on > Windows 10 at work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's > Mail list account via Groups.Io > Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one > used > by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? > Brian > > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder. > Please address personal email to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > > Hi, > The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. > Cheers, > Joseph > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann > Byrne > Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! > > What is the universal skype app??? > At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: > >>I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't >>knock it till you try it guys. >> >>On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: >>>I use the universal Skype app all the time. >>>Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key >>>commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop >>>program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. >>>Have a great one, guys! >>>Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for >>>Windows 10 >>>From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee >>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM >>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>ย >>>Hi, >>>Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to >>>conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). >>>Cheers, >>>Joseph >>>ย >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: >>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey >>>Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM >>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>ย >>>That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, >>>really. Come on Microsoft. >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: >>><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige >>>Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM >>>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io >>>Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>>ย >>>In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way >>>to use it really. >>>ย >>>ย >>>On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: >>> >ย >>> > Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, >>> >because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and >>> >tabbing between options. >>> >ย >>> >ย >>> > On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>ย >>> >> Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version >>> >>here in a bit. >>> >>ย >>> >>ย >>> >> On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>>ย >>> >>> OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. >>> >>>ย >>> >>>ย >>> >>> I'll give it a try. >>> >>>ย >>> >>>ย >>> >>> On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: >>> >>>>ย >>> >>>> The same way you uninstall any program: >>> >>>>ย >>> >>>> Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and >>> >>>>Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the >>> >>>>list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to >>> >>>>remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, >>> >>>>Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>> So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the >>> >>>>>universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the >>> >>>>>rescue. LOL! >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>> On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote: >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install >>> >>>>>>7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 >>> >>>>>>without problems some weeks ago. >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Regards. >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas >>> >>>>>> Editor >>> >>>>>> <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>> Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es >>> >>>>>>-www.NVDA.es ย Usuario do NVDA en galego ย *Note que a >>> >>>>>>anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter >>> >>>>>>informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O >>> emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก >>> reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do >>> remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta >>> mesma vรญa e destrรบa a >>> mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 >>> >>>>>>>as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of > Skype. >>> >>>>>>> Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't >>> >>>>>>>prefer it. >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people >>> >>>>>>>seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I >>> >>>>>>>can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and >>> >>>>>>>get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> Rich, >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>> Remove your current skype installation and install the skype >>> >>>>>>>>classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old >>> >>>>>>>>installation, you will get two skype >>> versions after installation of the classic version. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky >>> pe-full >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>> Regards, Marten >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 >>> "Brian's Mail list account via >>> Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon >>> der.co.uk@groups.io>ย >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> I've never had it force an update on >>> windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. >>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version. >>> >>>>>>>>> However there does seem to have been >>> a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I >>> hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the >>> tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back >>> afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. >>> >>>>>>>>>ย ย Brian >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder. >>> >>>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:- >>> <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., >>> >>>>>>>>> putting 'Brian Gaff' >>> >>>>>>>>> in the display name field. >>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> >>> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM >>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. >>> >>>>>>>>> Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered >>> >>>>>>>>>Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like >>> >>>>>>>>>Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I >>> >>>>>>>>>could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys >>> >>>>>>>>>that I previously used would work. I received a call from a >>> >>>>>>>>>friend right after this forced installation and could not >>> >>>>>>>>>answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for >>> >>>>>>>>>answering a call was useless, as were all other previous >>> >>>>>>>>>shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I >>> >>>>>>>>>totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype >>> >>>>>>>>>as NVDA >>> users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat >>> program? >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>> -- Rich De Steno >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> Christopher Gilland >>> >>>>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >>>>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >>>>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >>>>>>ย >>> >>>>>ย >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Christopher Gilland >>> >>>>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >>>>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >>>>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >>>>ย >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Rich De Steno >>> >>>ย >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Christopher Gilland >>> >>> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >>><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >>> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >>ย >>> >> -- >>> >> Christopher Gilland >>> >> Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries >>> >><http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org >>> >> (980) 500-9575X401 >>> >ย >>> > >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >>>ย >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Brian's Mail list account #35145 If using xp, and not using machines with amd processors, the anti virus Microsoft Security essentials is still updating. Do not use Skype on old machines, too many drop outs. I am on the look out for a decent browser for an xp machine as firefox 52 takes an age to boot up and also seems unwilling to show some frames when run under xp. Most of the other options stopped supporting xp some time ago. I did notice some stuff both on github and on more obscure web sites about people working on windows hacks to give xp some of the extra routines found in later windows. Myself I'd view these with a little suspicion as if the user is going to trust unknown hackers to extend windows, then said unknown hackers might in fact be wolves in sheep's clothing. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hello XP Users, May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in the homw of old tech. They do what they do well enough. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in 2016, when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on Windows 10 at work. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
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zahra #35143 hello. i dont use such program and dont trust anyone. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 2/12/18, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote: Hello XP Users, May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in the homw of old tech. They do what they do well enough. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in 2016, when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on Windows 10 at work. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. ย ย ย -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. ย ย On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: ย Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. ย ย On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. ย ย On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. ย ย I'll give it a try. ย ย On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: ย The same way you uninstall any program: ย Press your Windows key and type remove ย Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter ย Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs ย Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter ย ย ย On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: ย So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! ย ย On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivรกn Novegil wrote: ย Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. ย Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. ย ย Regards. ย Ivรกn Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... ย Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es ย Usuario do NVDA en galego ย *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciรณn privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciรณn desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estรก reservado ao รกmbito privado do destinatario agรกs autorizaciรณn do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunรญqueo por esta mesma vรญa e destrรบa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 รก(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: ย Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. ย ย I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! ย ย On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, ย Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full ย Regards, Marten ย On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>ย wrote: ย I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. ย ย I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. ย ย Brian ย <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! ย ย I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? ย -- Rich De Steno ย ย ย ย ย ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Rich De Steno ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย ย -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the entire creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration from prophet Mohammad is: indeed, imam husayn is the beacon of guidance and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages www.al-islam.org
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Peter Chin #35140 Hello XP Users, May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in the homw of old tech. They do what they do well enough. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in 2016, when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on Windows 10 at work. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
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Peter Chin #35139 Hello XP Users, May I know, what antivirus and antimalware do you use? toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Nothing wrong with XP Skype still runs on mine, indeed I have three here in the homw of old tech. They do what they do well enough. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM Casey" <crystallogic@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Isn't there even a portable version of skype? I used it for a while in 2016, when, believe it or not, I still used an XP machine. It was very fast and stable compared to ... basically any other skype I ever used, including on Windows 10 at work. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: January 8, 2018 4:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
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zahra #33619 hi brian i completely agree with you about problems of skype. skype is getting more useless and problematic every day and i uninstalled it completely and could not sign in anymore after reinstallation. i even could not use gw connect which i used in the past. do you mean that microsoft changed the protocols and gw never works again and even skype classic is never available in the future? as you know, i realy hate updating forceable specially for updating just for update like skype without any useful feature or understandable and important change! i did not see any program except skype and microsoft to force the users for update! hi shaun. i completely agree that we should use our own desires without force. i heard that one company make laptops and does not obey the rule of just updating! they releases drivers for different operating systems and dont forget the old ones. the company is fujitsu. On 1/10/18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: Well Firefox has been added to the firestick, but I believe Amazon has agreed to sell chrome based devices now, so where is the problem. I'm suspicious that Amazons system may well hijack Googles data collection so their devices won't let google earn money. Its all awfully silly and counter productive for all parties. The only certain thing in the future is that broadband prices or subscriptions to paid services will go up as the people who own the internet need to be able to have an income to create more capacity and bandwidth and renew old stuff. One way or the other somebody has to pay. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Yeah and its getting worse, I just read into an article, aparently google and amazon are having a fistfight. So if it spreads we will have a virtual ww3 on our hands everyone is chucking nukes about, no one knows why they are fighting anymore. On 10/01/2018 7:45 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: No its all a cunning plot. First Firefox now Skype. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It really sucks for us especially and I am tempted to yell at somebody until they listen to us. We can't use Skype the way it is now. I thought Accessibility was supposed to be getting better! On 9/01/2018 8:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Yes I mentioned this in another thread, but of course that would mean that much more effort would be required to write software and decide what front ends to support etc. To me, currently Skype and for that matter universal apps has lost the plot in that they are not universal at all as writers can make them all look completely different, when at least in classic windows one knew you had a menu bar toolbars etc, and not this apparent throw everything up in the air and where it drops is where it stays muddle we have now. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It does. I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to which they will probably do eventually then maybe. At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2 but even so, who knows. This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate. It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops, shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff without their junk. On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? 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Brian's Mail list account #33498 Well Firefox has been added to the firestick, but I believe Amazon has agreed to sell chrome based devices now, so where is the problem. I'm suspicious that Amazons system may well hijack Googles data collection so their devices won't let google earn money. Its all awfully silly and counter productive for all parties. The only certain thing in the future is that broadband prices or subscriptions to paid services will go up as the people who own the internet need to be able to have an income to create more capacity and bandwidth and renew old stuff. One way or the other somebody has to pay. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Yeah and its getting worse, I just read into an article, aparently google and amazon are having a fistfight. So if it spreads we will have a virtual ww3 on our hands everyone is chucking nukes about, no one knows why they are fighting anymore. On 10/01/2018 7:45 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: No its all a cunning plot. First Firefox now Skype. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It really sucks for us especially and I am tempted to yell at somebody until they listen to us. We can't use Skype the way it is now. I thought Accessibility was supposed to be getting better! On 9/01/2018 8:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Yes I mentioned this in another thread, but of course that would mean that much more effort would be required to write software and decide what front ends to support etc. To me, currently Skype and for that matter universal apps has lost the plot in that they are not universal at all as writers can make them all look completely different, when at least in classic windows one knew you had a menu bar toolbars etc, and not this apparent throw everything up in the air and where it drops is where it stays muddle we have now. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It does. I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to which they will probably do eventually then maybe. At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2 but even so, who knows. This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate. It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops, shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff without their junk. On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â .
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Shaun Everiss #33463 Yeah and its getting worse, I just read into an article, aparently google and amazon are having a fistfight. So if it spreads we will have a virtual ww3 on our hands everyone is chucking nukes about, no one knows why they are fighting anymore. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 10/01/2018 7:45 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: No its all a cunning plot. First Firefox now Skype. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It really sucks for us especially and I am tempted to yell at somebody until they listen to us. We can't use Skype the way it is now. I thought Accessibility was supposed to be getting better! On 9/01/2018 8:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Yes I mentioned this in another thread, but of course that would mean that much more effort would be required to write software and decide what front ends to support etc. To me, currently Skype and for that matter universal apps has lost the plot in that they are not universal at all as writers can make them all look completely different, when at least in classic windows one knew you had a menu bar toolbars etc, and not this apparent throw everything up in the air and where it drops is where it stays muddle we have now. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It does. I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to which they will probably do eventually then maybe. At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2 but even so, who knows. This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate. It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops, shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff without their junk. On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â .
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Shaun Everiss #33462 Well skype classic is your friend. And yeah I do feel like doing that, I actually asked ms if it would remain so. I can't make heads or tails of the universal app or the new skype. My skype doesn't update anymore but to be honest, if this continues, I may have a windows 10 or whatever system for games, and maybe xp or something for offline stuff. If blindy spaciffic computers got cheaper I am tempted to just forget about standard computers alltogether. I was hoping skype would get better. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 10/01/2018 5:58 a.m., Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: It really sucks for us especially and I am tempted to yell at somebody until they listen to us. We can't use Skype the way it is now. I thought Accessibility was supposed to be getting better! On 9/01/2018 8:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Yes I mentioned this in another thread, but of course that would mean that much more effort would be required to write software and decide what front ends to support etc. To me, currently Skype and for that matter universal apps has lost the plot in that they are not universal at all as writers can make them all look completely different, when at least in classic windows one knew you had a menu bar toolbars etc, and not this apparent throw everything up in the air and where it drops is where it stays muddle we have now. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It does. I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to which they will probably do eventually then maybe. At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2 but even so, who knows. This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate. It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops, shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff without their junk. On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â .
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Shaun Everiss #33458 Yeah I know this, its a pitty ms discontinued skypekit. I really think its high time for users to have a choice of some sort of interface controler software and something based on the core of windows, I don't see any reason we can run whatever interface we want since we basically do that with themes in windows. I mean they do that in linux. For example I don't see any reason I can't continue using windows xp or 7 for the rest of my life if I want or even win98, true having a different interface over my core means I probably will have less features in the interface and maybe less abilities but I can live with that, maybe you can switch interfaces I mean we have vertual desktops now so why not interfaces. Or parts there of. I will still use the same core subsystems, and in the background the same shells and security systems but I can switch how I want. I like win10 apps interface for apps, I'd prefur the older control panel classic interfaces, the old win7 search box or even xp's start menu, non cluttered windows, no ribbons etc. Classic skype and other things. The older stuff was accessible. I see no reason that this can't be done, it would be a theme extention at most, linux does it. toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 9/01/2018 10:24 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Before Microsoft took it over there used to be a basic system called Skype kit that any third party could use to write a front end around. If you recall GW Micro did just that, but I understand this facility was withdrawn. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Since skype is actually part of my job I have to agree that is is getting harder to use but I have the don't update button on and it all works. I love the mac interface, at least the old one. It's easy to use and I can jump from place to place. I can even launch two instences of skype with the touch of a script and each having two different accounts.. But yeah since skype is part of my job I am stuck with it. On Jan 8, 2018, at 1:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote: Being sarcastic, what me? I would say that when nvda and others fix this Microsoft will bring out another broken version. its a common issue in Skype it used to happen even when Skype was not owned by Microsoft! Its chasing the tail time again. What Windows needs is a basic front end for audio or video calling, not some ever growing heap of bits that really just look new. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, As far as NVDA side goes, send me feedback as soon as possible. To whoever asked about NVDA add-on for Skype universal app, this is part of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on (mine, way before JAWS scripts came along). I do know the person who wrote the JAWS scripts and plan to ask him for collaboration. Also, for those watching GitHub, expect to see a pull request regarding Skype universal app in a few days. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:31 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I understand that Skype have moved to new protocols. There may be architectural reasons why Microsoft decided to redesign it, and they decided to update/modernize the user interface along the way. I found a forum post, apparently from Microsoft, stating that the "classic" version will be deprecated soon. If you're encountering accessibility issues with the Windows 10 version, I would suggest notifying Microsoft, since the older version may at some point soon no longer be updated or supported. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rich De Steno Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:28 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Because the world is comprised primarily of sighted people who crave visual stimulation. Accessibility of programs and devices to those without eyesight is a distant second consideration. That is primarily why Skype was dramatically changed to its current incarnation. It is a visual gold mine! Rich De Steno On 1/7/2018 5:47 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i -use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401
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Brian's Mail list account #33449 No its all a cunning plot. First Firefox now Skype. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2018 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It really sucks for us especially and I am tempted to yell at somebody until they listen to us. We can't use Skype the way it is now. I thought Accessibility was supposed to be getting better! On 9/01/2018 8:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Yes I mentioned this in another thread, but of course that would mean that much more effort would be required to write software and decide what front ends to support etc. To me, currently Skype and for that matter universal apps has lost the plot in that they are not universal at all as writers can make them all look completely different, when at least in classic windows one knew you had a menu bar toolbars etc, and not this apparent throw everything up in the air and where it drops is where it stays muddle we have now. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It does. I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to which they will probably do eventually then maybe. At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2 but even so, who knows. This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate. It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops, shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff without their junk. On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â .
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Sharni-Lee Ward #33447 It really sucks for us especially and I am tempted to yell at somebody until they listen to us. We can't use Skype the way it is now. I thought Accessibility was supposed to be getting better! toggle quoted message Show quoted text On 9/01/2018 8:33 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: Yes I mentioned this in another thread, but of course that would mean that much more effort would be required to write software and decide what front ends to support etc. To me, currently Skype and for that matter universal apps has lost the plot in that they are not universal at all as writers can make them all look completely different, when at least in classic windows one knew you had a menu bar toolbars etc, and not this apparent throw everything up in the air and where it drops is where it stays muddle we have now. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It does. I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to which they will probably do eventually then maybe. At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2 but even so, who knows. This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate. It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops, shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff without their junk. On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â .
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Brian's Mail list account #33440 Yes I mentioned this in another thread, but of course that would mean that much more effort would be required to write software and decide what front ends to support etc. To me, currently Skype and for that matter universal apps has lost the plot in that they are not universal at all as writers can make them all look completely different, when at least in classic windows one knew you had a menu bar toolbars etc, and not this apparent throw everything up in the air and where it drops is where it stays muddle we have now. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! It does. I have switched all my users to skype universal to keep the software updated but to be honest skype classic is in the tablets section so unless ms decides that windows tablets need to update to universal to which they will probably do eventually then maybe. At any rate even if skype does die, they will have to change the minimal version on server to have it not even work and they only just did that last year and that was for 7.2 and older, up to this point you could probably still work with 6 or 5 or 4 or even 3 maybe not 2 but even so, who knows. This new skype 8 will last till the end of win 8x at any rate. It would be good if ms let us blinks use our own windows desktops, shells and interfaces for their cores so we could use their stuff without their junk. On 8/01/2018 10:23 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I think the question has to be, does the old version of Skype, the one used by windows 7, install OK on 10, and if it does why do we need the new one? Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, The universal Skype app is the Windows 10 version of Skype. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2018 1:57 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! What is the universal skype app??? At 03:03 PM 1/7/2018, you wrote: I use Skype for WIN 10 also. Their is nothing wrong with it. Don't knock it till you try it guys. On 1/6/2018 10:50 PM, David Moore wrote: I use the universal Skype app all the time. Tabbing three or four times, is not that bad, along with some key commands. I can find what I want quicker than I can with the desktop program. NVDA really works well with the Skype app. That is awesome. Have a great one, guys! Sent from <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>Mail for Windows 10 From: <mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>Joseph Lee Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 10:12 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. Â Â Â -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. Â Â On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Â Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. Â Â On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. Â Â On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. Â Â I'll give it a try. Â Â On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: Â The same way you uninstall any program: Â Press your Windows key and type remove Â Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Â Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Â Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter Â Â Â On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Â So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! Â Â On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, ivÃ¡n Novegil wrote: Â Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Â Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Â Â Regards. Â IvÃ¡n Novegil Cancelas Editor <mailto:ivan.novegil@...>ivan.novegil@... Â Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Â Usuario do NVDA en galego Â *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter informaciÃ³n privada ou confidencial. O emprego da informaciÃ³n desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos estÃ¡ reservado ao Ã¡mbito privado do destinatario agÃ¡s autorizaciÃ³n do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comunÃqueo por esta mesma vÃa e destrÃºa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 Ã¡(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Â Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. Â Â I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! Â Â On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Â Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. <http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full>http://www.skype.com/go/getsky pe-full Â Regards, Marten Â On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<mailto:bglists@...><bglists=blueyon der.co.uk@groups.io>Â wrote: Â I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. Â Â I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Â Â Brian Â <mailto:bglists@...>bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- <mailto:briang1@...>briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<mailto:ironrock@...><ironrock@...> To:<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io><nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Â Â I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? Â -- Rich De Steno Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Rich De Steno Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries <http://www.gshministries.org>http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â .
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Brian's Mail list account #33439 A bit of topic drift here. However, Back in the old days the same engine we built for use as Dr Spectrum, could be used to write grammatically correct sentences, but sense was a whole other ball game. I'd like to think that nowadays with machine learning a bit better understood that it might soon be possible to create software this way. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Well you may want to hold that thought a little longer. I read yesterday that someone loaded every harry potter book, and fanfic into an ai to see if it could write one using all that material and it did write a comedy type thing, I mean it could do it but it was weird. Even if an ai did write the next software package I am not sure if that would fully work for us if it did it generally. On 8/01/2018 10:04 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: I was beginning to think it was just a way to keep the programmers busy and still in work. Just like machines will soon be able to design their own replacements, I'd expect intelligent software to be able to design the next generation of software as well. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hello Brian, It's the new law, if it works, change it, [smile]. Best Regards, Jim. -----Original Message----- From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 10:47 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! As a bystander on this, it seems to me that Somebody at Microsoft is wasting loads of peoples time making changes to software that already works. Does anyone have any idea why they would want to keep changing the software? I can only think of a couple and the last time I mentioned it here I was jumped on. grin. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2018 4:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Hi, To answer calls via Skype universal app, once a call arrives, press Windows+V, then press Enter to answer. The list of shortcut keys for Skype universal app can be found at: https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype?q=How+do+i+set+my+hotkeys+on+Skype+Windows+10%3F Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 8:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! Really? Do we have a full list anywhere? I called the Microsoft disability thingy and asked about documentation for the new skype, and they never got back to me. That suggests it either doesn't exist, or they're super lazy. Nice folks though. I stopped using it because, like another poster, I couldn't figure out how to answer calls and such, plus it seems like it needed to be open to really do anything with it, and it wouldn't minimize to the system tray or such. It was also slow, e.g. at bringing up conversations, and it didn't seem to read them very well. It tended to read multiple messages when you arrowed around. I freely admit part of this might be my inability to use it, which is why I asked for documentation from Microsoft. But all the documentation I can find seems to be for the old skype. I got tired of messing with it and went back to old skype. On 1/6/2018 21:12, Joseph Lee wrote: Hi, Skype universal app does have shortcut keys, such as Alt+1 to go to conversations, Alt+2 for contacts, Alt+3 for bots and so on). Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 6:56 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! That's such a slugish and obnoxious way to navigate a programme, really. Come on Microsoft. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Isige Sent: January 6, 2018 9:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! In the new Windows app thing? Sure. In fact I think it's the only way to use it really. On 1/6/2018 20:28, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote: Can you still tab around Skype like normal, though? I'm curious, because I've never really used keyboard shortcuts. Just menus and tabbing between options. On 7/01/2018 1:24 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Awesome. It's gone. Thanks. I'll go install the classic version here in a bit. On 1/6/2018 9:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK, I didn't think it worked that way for universal apps. I'll give it a try. On 1/6/2018 8:58 PM, Rich De Steno wrote: The same way you uninstall any program: Press your Windows key and type remove Arrow down to "Add and Remove Programs and press Enter Arrow down to Skype in the list of programs Press your applications key and arrow down to remove and press Enter On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: So then, I guess my next question would be how to uninstall the universal version within Windows 10. I guess Google's to the rescue. LOL! On 1/6/2018 6:49 PM, iván Novegil wrote: Yes, installer downloaded from both links works with windows10. Skype forces to use Universal app only in 8.x. I could install 7.x (version downloadable from the two links sent) in Win10 without problems some weeks ago. Regards. Iván Novegil Cancelas Editor ivan.novegil@... Comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA \| Proyecto NVDA.es -www.NVDA.es Usuario do NVDA en galego *Note que a anterior mensaxe e/ou os seus adxuntos pode conter información privada ou confidencial. O emprego da información desta mensaxe e/ou dos seus adxuntos está reservado ao ámbito privado do destinatario agás autorización do remitente. Se recibiu esta mensaxe por erro comuníqueo por esta mesma vía e destrúa a mensaxe.* O 06/01/2018 á(s) 23:54, Christopher-Mark Gilland escribiu: Wow! Thank you for this link. Will this work with Windows 10 as well? I'm not much a fan of the Universal app version of Skype. Don't get me wrong. It's O... Kayyyy, but, I definitely don't prefer it. I don't have all the issue with Skype that a lot of people seem to have, in fact, I personally enjoy using it, so if I can get that Universal version uninstalled in Windows 10, and get rid of the classic version, that would be fantastic! On 1/6/2018 11:39 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: Rich, Remove your current skype installation and install the skype classic version from this link: If you do not remove the old installation, you will get two skype versions after installation of the classic version. http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-full Regards, Marten On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 16:32:53 -0000 "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"<bglists@...> wrote: I've never had it force an update on windows 7. it always asks to which I say politely no thanks. I'm not sure how one gets the old version. However there does seem to have been a long history with Skype mucking it up on every update they do. I hardly ever use it these days personally, but for many years the tendency to hi jack the audio settings and not put them back afterwards seemed rather draconian to me. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich De Steno"<ironrock@...> To:<nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 5:42 AM Subject: [nvda] New Skype Installation a Complete Disaster! I have used NVDA successfully with Skype for many years. Suddenly, tonight, on my Windows 7 laptop, when I entered Skype, a new version was forcibly installed, something like Version 8.1.2, and it presented me with an interface that I could not comprehend with NVDA. None of the shortcut keys that I previously used would work. I received a call from a friend right after this forced installation and could not answer it, because the usual alt-PageUp key combo for answering a call was useless, as were all other previous shortcut keys. What is the solution to this problem. I totally uninstalled Skype for now. Do we give up on Skype as NVDA users, or install a different version or perhaps some other chat program? -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Rich De Steno -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 -- Christopher Gilland Co-Founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries http://www.gshministries.org (980) 500-9575X401 .
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