possible issue with NVDA on the Windows 10 log-on screen


Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi everyone,
I'm not sure what's causing this, but there seems to be an intermitant
issue with NVDA on the log-on screen of Windows 10. Yesterday was a
frustrating morning for me computer-wise, requiring several restarts.
After one such restart, NVDA just kept speaking the first letter of my
password after typing it several times. Usually it speaks that letter
once, then the password box comes up and I can type normally. Why the
log-on screen behaves this way I'm not sure, but it's something I've
gotten used to having Windows 10 for 3 and a half years. Once in a
while however, NVDA doesn't want to focus on anything on the log-on
screen. I tab around and it doesn't speak. So, I fire up Narrator,
which usually causes both screen readers to speak at the same time,
and from then on NVDA also works properly. I'm not sure if there's
anything the developers can do to track this down and fix it, but if
there is I'd like to see it done.
Bob


Rob Hudson
 

What's happening is your lock screen is getting in the way. Try hitting the control key or some other key, and you should get jumped into your regular login screen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 21:54:15 -0800
Subject: [nvda] possible issue with NVDA on the Windows 10 log-on screen

Hi everyone,
I'm not sure what's causing this, but there seems to be an intermitant
issue with NVDA on the log-on screen of Windows 10. Yesterday was a
frustrating morning for me computer-wise, requiring several restarts.
After one such restart, NVDA just kept speaking the first letter of my
password after typing it several times. Usually it speaks that letter
once, then the password box comes up and I can type normally. Why the
log-on screen behaves this way I'm not sure, but it's something I've
gotten used to having Windows 10 for 3 and a half years. Once in a
while however, NVDA doesn't want to focus on anything on the log-on
screen. I tab around and it doesn't speak. So, I fire up Narrator,
which usually causes both screen readers to speak at the same time,
and from then on NVDA also works properly. I'm not sure if there's
anything the developers can do to track this down and fix it, but if
there is I'd like to see it done.
Bob






Quentin Christensen
 

Which build of Windows are you using?  We saw this issue a couple of years ago, but I hadn't heard of it happening recently.

You can get your build by opening "winver" - press the windows key, type winver and press enter.

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 5:03 PM Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...> wrote:
What's happening is your lock screen is getting in the way. Try hitting the control key or some other key, and you should get jumped into your regular login screen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 21:54:15 -0800
Subject: [nvda] possible issue with NVDA on the Windows 10 log-on screen

> Hi everyone,
> I'm not sure what's causing this, but there seems to be an intermitant
> issue with NVDA on the log-on screen of Windows 10. Yesterday was a
> frustrating morning for me computer-wise, requiring several restarts.
> After one such restart, NVDA just kept speaking the first letter of my
> password after typing it several times. Usually it speaks that letter
> once, then the password box comes up and I can type normally. Why the
> log-on screen behaves this way I'm not sure, but it's something I've
> gotten used to having Windows 10 for 3 and a half years. Once in a
> while however, NVDA doesn't want to focus on anything on the log-on
> screen. I tab around and it doesn't speak. So, I fire up Narrator,
> which usually causes both screen readers to speak at the same time,
> and from then on NVDA also works properly. I'm not sure if there's
> anything the developers can do to track this down and fix it, but if
> there is I'd like to see it done.
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Ian Blackburn
 

I get this on my Windows 10 machine with the latest build Windows 10 but the solution is to press any key are you just press the enter key and then your password box shows up mind you I have two accounts on my machine
And I see this is normal behaviour as I think but I can’t see it but I think the screen shows the date when you beat the machine then you have to click somewhere and that gives you your logon screens as I can’t see I can’t give you the exact reason but it’s been happening ever since I’ve had Windows 10 I don’t see it as a problem as it’s more a quirk of the operating system I mean you’ve got it least it talking to you solution press enter and then go ahead regards Ian


On 12 Jan 2021, at 2:24 pm, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Which build of Windows are you using?  We saw this issue a couple of years ago, but I hadn't heard of it happening recently.

You can get your build by opening "winver" - press the windows key, type winver and press enter.

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 5:03 PM Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...> wrote:
What's happening is your lock screen is getting in the way. Try hitting the control key or some other key, and you should get jumped into your regular login screen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 21:54:15 -0800
Subject: [nvda] possible issue with NVDA on the Windows 10 log-on screen

> Hi everyone,
> I'm not sure what's causing this, but there seems to be an intermitant
> issue with NVDA on the log-on screen of Windows 10. Yesterday was a
> frustrating morning for me computer-wise, requiring several restarts.
> After one such restart, NVDA just kept speaking the first letter of my
> password after typing it several times. Usually it speaks that letter
> once, then the password box comes up and I can type normally. Why the
> log-on screen behaves this way I'm not sure, but it's something I've
> gotten used to having Windows 10 for 3 and a half years. Once in a
> while however, NVDA doesn't want to focus on anything on the log-on
> screen. I tab around and it doesn't speak. So, I fire up Narrator,
> which usually causes both screen readers to speak at the same time,
> and from then on NVDA also works properly. I'm not sure if there's
> anything the developers can do to track this down and fix it, but if
> there is I'd like to see it done.
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Quentin Christensen
 

Not having a go at you Ian, but just in general can people please not say things like: "Windows 10 machine with the latest build Windows 10".  It's really not as helpful as it seems.  My computer refused to do updates for about six months last year - it was just a glitch, but it never gave me an error message unless I looked on the update screen - I could easily have assumed I had "the latest build", when it fact I could have been two major versions behind.  Also Microsoft release different builds to different users - with their major builds they stagger them so it can take three months before it is rolled out around the world, no matter how many times a particular use hits "check for updates".  Even then, because of various things including the exact hardware your machine has, or even a feature Microsoft want to roll out to half the users, they might roll out a major build but two slightly different versions with it being completely random who gets one and who gets the other.  That is why I ask for the specific build number - in general but also in this case.  If this is a bug which has crept back into Windows, even just practically, we can't go to Microsoft and say "a user has reported it in the latest build" - they'll need to know the exact build - and even before that - if other users come forward and say they can replicate it and they're all on the same build, and other users can't and they're on a newer build, it's likely it's been fixed (or conversely if they're all on older builds, it's likely it's a new bug crept in) - and all of those users might be on "the latest build" (they can get).

Again, not picking on you or anyone, just trying to explain why it is really very helpful if you could please provide which build number you are using when reporting something (and the more the better - if it's a problem you're having opening a document in Word, then the version of Windows, NVDA and Office could all be useful).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:19 PM Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@...> wrote:
I get this on my Windows 10 machine with the latest build Windows 10 but the solution is to press any key are you just press the enter key and then your password box shows up mind you I have two accounts on my machine
And I see this is normal behaviour as I think but I can’t see it but I think the screen shows the date when you beat the machine then you have to click somewhere and that gives you your logon screens as I can’t see I can’t give you the exact reason but it’s been happening ever since I’ve had Windows 10 I don’t see it as a problem as it’s more a quirk of the operating system I mean you’ve got it least it talking to you solution press enter and then go ahead regards Ian


On 12 Jan 2021, at 2:24 pm, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Which build of Windows are you using?  We saw this issue a couple of years ago, but I hadn't heard of it happening recently.

You can get your build by opening "winver" - press the windows key, type winver and press enter.

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 5:03 PM Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...> wrote:
What's happening is your lock screen is getting in the way. Try hitting the control key or some other key, and you should get jumped into your regular login screen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 21:54:15 -0800
Subject: [nvda] possible issue with NVDA on the Windows 10 log-on screen

> Hi everyone,
> I'm not sure what's causing this, but there seems to be an intermitant
> issue with NVDA on the log-on screen of Windows 10. Yesterday was a
> frustrating morning for me computer-wise, requiring several restarts.
> After one such restart, NVDA just kept speaking the first letter of my
> password after typing it several times. Usually it speaks that letter
> once, then the password box comes up and I can type normally. Why the
> log-on screen behaves this way I'm not sure, but it's something I've
> gotten used to having Windows 10 for 3 and a half years. Once in a
> while however, NVDA doesn't want to focus on anything on the log-on
> screen. I tab around and it doesn't speak. So, I fire up Narrator,
> which usually causes both screen readers to speak at the same time,
> and from then on NVDA also works properly. I'm not sure if there's
> anything the developers can do to track this down and fix it, but if
> there is I'd like to see it done.
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I am on version 2004, build 19041.685. I don't understand why the lock
screen would be a problem, as before I fire up Narrator, I try
pressing tab a few times, and this happens so rarely I usually don't
worry about it, and every time I fire up Narrator, it seems to resolve
the issue.

On 1/11/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Not having a go at you Ian, but just in general can people please not say
things like: "Windows 10 machine with the latest build Windows 10". It's
really not as helpful as it seems. My computer refused to do updates for
about six months last year - it was just a glitch, but it never gave me an
error message unless I looked on the update screen - I could easily have
assumed I had "the latest build", when it fact I could have been two major
versions behind. Also Microsoft release different builds to different
users - with their major builds they stagger them so it can take three
months before it is rolled out around the world, no matter how many times a
particular use hits "check for updates". Even then, because of various
things including the exact hardware your machine has, or even a feature
Microsoft want to roll out to half the users, they might roll out a major
build but two slightly different versions with it being completely random
who gets one and who gets the other. That is why I ask for the specific
build number - in general but also in this case. If this is a bug which
has crept back into Windows, even just practically, we can't go to
Microsoft and say "a user has reported it in the latest build" - they'll
need to know the exact build - and even before that - if other users come
forward and say they can replicate it and they're all on the same build,
and other users can't and they're on a newer build, it's likely it's been
fixed (or conversely if they're all on older builds, it's likely it's a new
bug crept in) - and all of those users might be on "the latest build" (they
can get).

Again, not picking on you or anyone, just trying to explain why it is
really very helpful if you could please provide which build number you are
using when reporting something (and the more the better - if it's a problem
you're having opening a document in Word, then the version of Windows, NVDA
and Office could all be useful).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:19 PM Ian Blackburn <ianblackburn@westnet.com.au>
wrote:

I get this on my Windows 10 machine with the latest build Windows 10 but
the solution is to press any key are you just press the enter key and
then
your password box shows up mind you I have two accounts on my machine
And I see this is normal behaviour as I think but I can’t see it but I
think the screen shows the date when you beat the machine then you have
to
click somewhere and that gives you your logon screens as I can’t see I
can’t give you the exact reason but it’s been happening ever since I’ve
had
Windows 10 I don’t see it as a problem as it’s more a quirk of the
operating system I mean you’ve got it least it talking to you solution
press enter and then go ahead regards Ian


On 12 Jan 2021, at 2:24 pm, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>
wrote:


Which build of Windows are you using? We saw this issue a couple of
years
ago, but I hadn't heard of it happening recently.

You can get your build by opening "winver" - press the windows key, type
winver and press enter.

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 5:03 PM Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net>
wrote:

What's happening is your lock screen is getting in the way. Try hitting
the control key or some other key, and you should get jumped into your
regular login screen.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 21:54:15 -0800
Subject: [nvda] possible issue with NVDA on the Windows 10 log-on screen

Hi everyone,
I'm not sure what's causing this, but there seems to be an intermitant
issue with NVDA on the log-on screen of Windows 10. Yesterday was a
frustrating morning for me computer-wise, requiring several restarts.
After one such restart, NVDA just kept speaking the first letter of my
password after typing it several times. Usually it speaks that letter
once, then the password box comes up and I can type normally. Why the
log-on screen behaves this way I'm not sure, but it's something I've
gotten used to having Windows 10 for 3 and a half years. Once in a
while however, NVDA doesn't want to focus on anything on the log-on
screen. I tab around and it doesn't speak. So, I fire up Narrator,
which usually causes both screen readers to speak at the same time,
and from then on NVDA also works properly. I'm not sure if there's
anything the developers can do to track this down and fix it, but if
there is I'd like to see it done.
Bob









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Rob Hudson
 

Well, to fire up narrator, you hit a keystroke, which dismisses the lock screen.
There is a way to turn it off:
Type windows+r and then
gpedit.msc
You'll end up in a tree view
Find administrative templates and hit right arrow
Find control panel and hit right arrow
Find personalization and hit tab
Activate the option that says
Do not display the lock screen
Once you have that off, your login prompt should show up normally.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:57:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible issue with NVDA on the Windows 10 log-on screen

I am on version 2004, build 19041.685. I don't understand why the lock
screen would be a problem, as before I fire up Narrator, I try
pressing tab a few times, and this happens so rarely I usually don't
worry about it, and every time I fire up Narrator, it seems to resolve
the issue.


Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

But shouldn't hitting tab do the same thing? That's what I don't understand.

On 1/12/21, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net> wrote:
Well, to fire up narrator, you hit a keystroke, which dismisses the lock
screen.
There is a way to turn it off:
Type windows+r and then
gpedit.msc
You'll end up in a tree view
Find administrative templates and hit right arrow
Find control panel and hit right arrow
Find personalization and hit tab
Activate the option that says
Do not display the lock screen
Once you have that off, your login prompt should show up normally.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:57:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible issue with NVDA on the Windows 10 log-on
screen

I am on version 2004, build 19041.685. I don't understand why the lock
screen would be a problem, as before I fire up Narrator, I try
pressing tab a few times, and this happens so rarely I usually don't
worry about it, and every time I fire up Narrator, it seems to resolve
the issue.






Rob Hudson
 

No idea. That one is weird.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 11:17:41 -0800
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible issue with NVDA on the Windows 10 log-on screen

But shouldn't hitting tab do the same thing? That's what I don't understand.