The length of a stop


Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all,

NVDA obviously pauses for commas and full stops (periods) but does anybody have any ideas about how to increase the length of the pause?

I ask because I use NVDA for performing my poetry (I have a rubbish memory so alternate poems I've memorised with ones I use NVDA to perform). 99 percent of the time the regular pauses for comma and full stop are fine, but there are a couple of poems where it'd be great if I could get a double length pause for a full stop, or the combined pause of a full stop followed by a comma.

If I try using such combinations there is no change to the pause and, unless I set punctuation level to none, a line like "This is a test. . To see what happens" actually says “This a test dot To see what happens”. With punctuation level set to none it doesn't say the “dot” but it doesn't pause any longer either.

Just thought I'd ask in case anybody has any ideas for how I could add any extra pausing into the rendition of a line of text using NVDA :)

Thanks,

Giles
(Win10 and NVDA 17.4)


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This sounds like a Question for the Synth maker to answer to me.
I really do not know which software decides on the pauses, and whether there is any way on some to insert silent spaces so to speak.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] The length of a stop


Hi all,

NVDA obviously pauses for commas and full stops (periods) but does anybody have any ideas about how to increase the length of the pause?

I ask because I use NVDA for performing my poetry (I have a rubbish memory so alternate poems I've memorised with ones I use NVDA to perform). 99 percent of the time the regular pauses for comma and full stop are fine, but there are a couple of poems where it'd be great if I could get a double length pause for a full stop, or the combined pause of a full stop followed by a comma.

If I try using such combinations there is no change to the pause and, unless I set punctuation level to none, a line like "This is a test. . To see what happens" actually says “This a test dot To see what happens”. With punctuation level set to none it doesn't say the “dot” but it doesn't pause any longer either.

Just thought I'd ask in case anybody has any ideas for how I could add any extra pausing into the rendition of a line of text using NVDA :)

Thanks,

Giles
(Win10 and NVDA 17.4)


John Isige
 

Try other forms of punctuation. Colon, ellipses, i.e. three periods/dots
in a row separated by spaces ... like this ... You probably want: 
punctuation set to none ... if you're reading : : : poetry anyway.
Played around with some different punctuation there for you to check
out. And yes, it will probably vary by synthesizer as well.

On 1/13/2018 10:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
This sounds like a Question for the Synth maker to answer to me.
I really do not know which software decides on the pauses, and whether
there is any way on some to insert silent spaces so to speak.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Giles Turnbull"
<giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] The length of a stop


Hi all,

NVDA obviously pauses for commas and full stops (periods) but does
anybody have any ideas about how to increase the length of the pause?

I ask because I use NVDA for performing my poetry (I have a rubbish
memory so alternate poems I've memorised with ones I use NVDA to
perform). 99 percent of the time the regular pauses for comma and full
stop are fine, but there are a couple of poems where it'd be great if
I could get a double length pause for a full stop, or the combined
pause of a full stop followed by a comma.

If I try using such combinations there is no change to the pause and,
unless I set punctuation level to none, a line like "This is a test. .
To see what happens" actually says “This a test dot To see what
happens”. With punctuation level set to none it doesn't say the “dot”
but it doesn't pause any longer either.

Just thought I'd ask in case anybody has any ideas for how I could add
any extra pausing into the rendition of a line of text using NVDA :)

Thanks,

Giles
(Win10 and NVDA 17.4)



Gene
 

Other forms of punctuation won't work.  I've experimented before and nothing is longer than one period.  I don't know if there is any way to do what you want but that isn't one.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: John Isige
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The length of a stop

Try other forms of punctuation. Colon, ellipses, i.e. three periods/dots
in a row separated by spaces ... like this ... You probably want: 
punctuation set to none ... if you're reading : : : poetry anyway.
Played around with some different punctuation there for you to check
out. And yes, it will probably vary by synthesizer as well.


On 1/13/2018 10:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> This sounds like a Question for the Synth maker to answer to me.
> I really do not know which software decides on the pauses, and whether
> there is any way on some to insert silent spaces so to speak.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giles Turnbull"
> <giles.turnbull@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:20 PM
> Subject: [nvda] The length of a stop
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> NVDA obviously pauses for commas and full stops (periods) but does
> anybody have any ideas about how to increase the length of the pause?
>
> I ask because I use NVDA for performing my poetry (I have a rubbish
> memory so alternate poems I've memorised with ones I use NVDA to
> perform). 99 percent of the time the regular pauses for comma and full
> stop are fine, but there are a couple of poems where it'd be great if
> I could get a double length pause for a full stop, or the combined
> pause of a full stop followed by a comma.
>
> If I try using such combinations there is no change to the pause and,
> unless I set punctuation level to none, a line like "This is a test. .
> To see what happens" actually says “This a test dot To see what
> happens”. With punctuation level set to none it doesn't say the “dot”
> but it doesn't pause any longer either.
>
> Just thought I'd ask in case anybody has any ideas for how I could add
> any extra pausing into the rendition of a line of text using NVDA :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Giles
> (Win10 and NVDA 17.4)
>
>
>
>





Giles Turnbull
 

thanks all for the suggestions :)

Giles


Gene
 

the following message was sent to me by Tonea off list    .  I'm sending it to the list, with her permission, because it is of more general interest.

 

Gene

 

I checked out Windows Narrator and heard your problem on my own sample writing. The only thing I can think of is to code it as HTML. There should be a way to pause with HTML since they have timed forms and such. Just code it to pause for 1 second. I say that without knowing HTML, sorry.

 

A different approach is to see if you can insert a sound. If the screen reader reached the end of the line and read a silent sound file of one-half of one second and then continued, then the pause would be longer than a period by itself.

 

Just trying to offer ideas, even if I can’t offer a solution.

 

Tonea


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I did post the original post to the espeak list, but I do not see anyone replying. They seem to ignore normal users over there at least that has been my experience.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The length of a stop


the following message was sent to me by Tonea off list . I'm sending it to the list, with her permission, because it is of more general interest.



Gene



I checked out Windows Narrator and heard your problem on my own sample writing. The only thing I can think of is to code it as HTML. There should be a way to pause with HTML since they have timed forms and such. Just code it to pause for 1 second. I say that without knowing HTML, sorry.



A different approach is to see if you can insert a sound. If the screen reader reached the end of the line and read a silent sound file of one-half of one second and then continued, then the pause would be longer than a period by itself.



Just trying to offer ideas, even if I can't offer a solution.



Tonea