Braille Formatting


Jonathan Milam
 

Hi All,

 

While reading a document with my Brailliant BI 40, the text fills the entire display for the first several pans, but then I may see one or two words and a mostly blank line until I advance the display again.  I am seeing this in Google Docs, Word and even Notepad.  Which setting do I need to change within NVDA to ensure that each advance of the display fills the entire display with text?


Thanks,
Jonathan

 


Quentin Christensen
 

Did you get an answer to this?  The only thing I can think of is could it simply be the document?  EG this first line of my reply is quite long and although visually it likely wraps to a second line, it is one "line" and should pan correctly on a Braille display.
This line is short.
This too.

Quentin.

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:17 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

While reading a document with my Brailliant BI 40, the text fills the entire display for the first several pans, but then I may see one or two words and a mostly blank line until I advance the display again.  I am seeing this in Google Docs, Word and even Notepad.  Which setting do I need to change within NVDA to ensure that each advance of the display fills the entire display with text?


Thanks,
Jonathan

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks, Quentin.  I didn’t, but you are correct in that the panning works well for long sentences.  However, I’m assuming there isn’t a way to set the display to bring the next sentence up to fill the rest of the display where the previous sentence ended?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 9:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Did you get an answer to this?  The only thing I can think of is could it simply be the document?  EG this first line of my reply is quite long and although visually it likely wraps to a second line, it is one "line" and should pan correctly on a Braille display.

This line is short.

This too.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:17 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

While reading a document with my Brailliant BI 40, the text fills the entire display for the first several pans, but then I may see one or two words and a mostly blank line until I advance the display again.  I am seeing this in Google Docs, Word and even Notepad.  Which setting do I need to change within NVDA to ensure that each advance of the display fills the entire display with text?


Thanks,
Jonathan

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Quentin Christensen
 

Not that I can think of.  There is a Braille setting to "Read by paragraph" but I think it uses the Word model of hard line break (eg when you've pressed enter while typing) = new paragraph.


On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:41 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Quentin.  I didn’t, but you are correct in that the panning works well for long sentences.  However, I’m assuming there isn’t a way to set the display to bring the next sentence up to fill the rest of the display where the previous sentence ended?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 9:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Did you get an answer to this?  The only thing I can think of is could it simply be the document?  EG this first line of my reply is quite long and although visually it likely wraps to a second line, it is one "line" and should pan correctly on a Braille display.

This line is short.

This too.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:17 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

While reading a document with my Brailliant BI 40, the text fills the entire display for the first several pans, but then I may see one or two words and a mostly blank line until I advance the display again.  I am seeing this in Google Docs, Word and even Notepad.  Which setting do I need to change within NVDA to ensure that each advance of the display fills the entire display with text?


Thanks,
Jonathan

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Gentlemen,

The setting for this is sometimes called “Compress blank spaces” as it is called in the Orbit Reader. I would expect the Braille display to manage this rather than NVDA. Does the Brailliant offer such a choice?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Not that I can think of.  There is a Braille setting to "Read by paragraph" but I think it uses the Word model of hard line break (eg when you've pressed enter while typing) = new paragraph.

 

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:41 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Quentin.  I didn’t, but you are correct in that the panning works well for long sentences.  However, I’m assuming there isn’t a way to set the display to bring the next sentence up to fill the rest of the display where the previous sentence ended?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 9:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Did you get an answer to this?  The only thing I can think of is could it simply be the document?  EG this first line of my reply is quite long and although visually it likely wraps to a second line, it is one "line" and should pan correctly on a Braille display.

This line is short.

This too.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:17 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

While reading a document with my Brailliant BI 40, the text fills the entire display for the first several pans, but then I may see one or two words and a mostly blank line until I advance the display again.  I am seeing this in Google Docs, Word and even Notepad.  Which setting do I need to change within NVDA to ensure that each advance of the display fills the entire display with text?


Thanks,
Jonathan

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


quentin, I have an Orbit reader 20 braille display. does NVDA have settings for this device?

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

Not that I can think of.  There is a Braille setting to "Read by paragraph" but I think it uses the Word model of hard line break (eg when you've pressed enter while typing) = new paragraph.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:41 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Quentin.  I didn’t, but you are correct in that the panning works well for long sentences.  However, I’m assuming there isn’t a way to set the display to bring the next sentence up to fill the rest of the display where the previous sentence ended?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 9:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Did you get an answer to this?  The only thing I can think of is could it simply be the document?  EG this first line of my reply is quite long and although visually it likely wraps to a second line, it is one "line" and should pan correctly on a Braille display.

This line is short.

This too.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:17 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

While reading a document with my Brailliant BI 40, the text fills the entire display for the first several pans, but then I may see one or two words and a mostly blank line until I advance the display again.  I am seeing this in Google Docs, Word and even Notepad.  Which setting do I need to change within NVDA to ensure that each advance of the display fills the entire display with text?


Thanks,
Jonathan

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks all.  You’re correct, Quentin.  Cearbhall, unfortunately the Brailliant doesn’t actually have this setting.  Perhaps the Orbit has it because it has a built-in editor, but the Brailliant is just a display and has no editing functionality.  Is this setting for compressing space a feature that could be added to NVDA in the future?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Gentlemen,

The setting for this is sometimes called “Compress blank spaces” as it is called in the Orbit Reader. I would expect the Braille display to manage this rather than NVDA. Does the Brailliant offer such a choice?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Not that I can think of.  There is a Braille setting to "Read by paragraph" but I think it uses the Word model of hard line break (eg when you've pressed enter while typing) = new paragraph.

 

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:41 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Quentin.  I didn’t, but you are correct in that the panning works well for long sentences.  However, I’m assuming there isn’t a way to set the display to bring the next sentence up to fill the rest of the display where the previous sentence ended?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 9:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Did you get an answer to this?  The only thing I can think of is could it simply be the document?  EG this first line of my reply is quite long and although visually it likely wraps to a second line, it is one "line" and should pan correctly on a Braille display.

This line is short.

This too.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:17 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

While reading a document with my Brailliant BI 40, the text fills the entire display for the first several pans, but then I may see one or two words and a mostly blank line until I advance the display again.  I am seeing this in Google Docs, Word and even Notepad.  Which setting do I need to change within NVDA to ensure that each advance of the display fills the entire display with text?


Thanks,
Jonathan

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Quentin Christensen
 

Firstly, 

Here is the NVDA User Guide section on Baum, Humanware, APH and Orbit Braille Displays:


Re the idea of being able to compress onto one line in NVDA itself, I must admit, I haven't looked into it.  My best suggestion is to raise an issue on GitHub requesting it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new/choose

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 1:41 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks all.  You’re correct, Quentin.  Cearbhall, unfortunately the Brailliant doesn’t actually have this setting.  Perhaps the Orbit has it because it has a built-in editor, but the Brailliant is just a display and has no editing functionality.  Is this setting for compressing space a feature that could be added to NVDA in the future?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Gentlemen,

The setting for this is sometimes called “Compress blank spaces” as it is called in the Orbit Reader. I would expect the Braille display to manage this rather than NVDA. Does the Brailliant offer such a choice?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Not that I can think of.  There is a Braille setting to "Read by paragraph" but I think it uses the Word model of hard line break (eg when you've pressed enter while typing) = new paragraph.

 

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:41 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Quentin.  I didn’t, but you are correct in that the panning works well for long sentences.  However, I’m assuming there isn’t a way to set the display to bring the next sentence up to fill the rest of the display where the previous sentence ended?

 

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 9:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille Formatting

 

Did you get an answer to this?  The only thing I can think of is could it simply be the document?  EG this first line of my reply is quite long and although visually it likely wraps to a second line, it is one "line" and should pan correctly on a Braille display.

This line is short.

This too.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 12:17 AM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Hi All,

 

While reading a document with my Brailliant BI 40, the text fills the entire display for the first several pans, but then I may see one or two words and a mostly blank line until I advance the display again.  I am seeing this in Google Docs, Word and even Notepad.  Which setting do I need to change within NVDA to ensure that each advance of the display fills the entire display with text?


Thanks,
Jonathan

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager