Is there a more complete Emoji dictionary anywhere for Espeak?


Steve Nutt
 

Hi Luke,

I have that thanks, and have now implemented it.

But I wonder how to get the same effect for Android? I really need a better Emoji dictionary for it.

Thanks again.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: 12 April 2021 04:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there a more complete Emoji dictionary anywhere for Espeak?

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Steve Nutt wrote:

I am using NVDA more and more now in my daily work, but I do find it
frustrating that Espeak doesn’t pronounce many Emojis correctly. For
example, the Colon followed by Right Bracket, should be “Smiling Face with Smiling Eyes”.
But it is oddly pronounced by Espeak as Twelve.
Hi Steve

I know this was a couple weeks ago, but during this thread, I don't think anyone mentioned the Emoticons add-on, which might be of some help to you.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/./addons/emoticons.en.html

Luke

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Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Steve Nutt wrote:

I am using NVDA more and more now in my daily work, but I do find it
frustrating that Espeak doesn’t pronounce many Emojis correctly.  For example,
the Colon followed by Right Bracket, should be “Smiling Face with Smiling Eyes”.
But it is oddly pronounced by Espeak as Twelve.
Hi Steve

I know this was a couple weeks ago, but during this thread, I don't think anyone mentioned the Emoticons add-on, which might be of some help to you.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/./addons/emoticons.en.html

Luke

"In this life there are obstacles, and forces who overcome obstacles. You can be either one or the other.
If you refuse to even try to clear an obstacle, you become the obstacle."
- Joel Shepherd


Steve Nutt
 

Thanks Luke, that is what I meant.

But I do notice that Emoji are sometimes not pronounced by NVDA with Espeak either, I don't think that dictionary is complete. I'll need to check some of them.

If we can get it to work with NVDA, then we can get it to work with ESpeak for Android, as it uses the same .dic format.

Thanks.

All the best
S
teve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Davis
Sent: 30 March 2021 10:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there a more complete Emoji dictionary anywhere for Espeak?

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Steve Nutt wrote:

I am using NVDA more and more now in my daily work, but I do find it
frustrating that Espeak doesn’t pronounce many Emojis correctly. For example, the Colon followed by Right Bracket, should be “Smiling Face with Smiling Eyes”. But it is oddly pronounced by Espeak as Twelve.
NVDA, provided you have the Unicode data turned on under speech settings, should be able to handle most or all common Emojis just fine.
But, I think you asked for Emojis, when you wanted Emoticons.

While you might find a list somewhere that equates the Emoticon colon right bracket, :], with the Emoji Smiling Face with Smiling Eyes, there's a good chance that most people will not know of that correlation these days.
Just use the real Emoji. I won't say that Emoticons are dieing, but I rarely see them any more beyond :) or :(.

Now, that said, since you are talking about emoticons, I have to say that neither Espeak nor OneCore handle Emoticons natively it appears.

Narrator handles a few, but it also simplifies them quite a bit to the basic smiley or frowney face description, and seems to ignore most of those I tried.
For example, both :) and :] are called "Smiley face" with Narrator, no matter what lists online claim :] should mean.

As to your terminology, please see:

Emoticon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon
Emoji: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji

Luke


Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021, Steve Nutt wrote:

I am using NVDA more and more now in my daily work, but I do find it frustrating that Espeak doesn’t pronounce many Emojis correctly.  For example, the
Colon followed by Right Bracket, should be “Smiling Face with Smiling Eyes”. But it is oddly pronounced by Espeak as Twelve.
NVDA, provided you have the Unicode data turned on under speech settings, should be able to handle most or all common Emojis just fine.
But, I think you asked for Emojis, when you wanted Emoticons.

While you might find a list somewhere that equates the Emoticon colon right bracket, :], with the Emoji Smiling Face with Smiling Eyes, there's a good chance that most people will not know of that correlation these days.
Just use the real Emoji. I won't say that Emoticons are dieing, but I rarely see them any more beyond :) or :(.

Now, that said, since you are talking about emoticons, I have to say that neither Espeak nor OneCore handle Emoticons natively it appears.

Narrator handles a few, but it also simplifies them quite a bit to the basic smiley or frowney face description, and seems to ignore most of those I tried.
For example, both :) and :] are called "Smiley face" with Narrator, no matter what lists online claim :] should mean.

As to your terminology, please see:

Emoticon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon
Emoji: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji

Luke


Steve Nutt
 

Hi all,

 

I am using NVDA more and more now in my daily work, but I do find it frustrating that Espeak doesn’t pronounce many Emojis correctly.  For example, the Colon followed by Right Bracket, should be “Smiling Face with Smiling Eyes”. But it is oddly pronounced by Espeak as Twelve.

 

Also the Android version of Espeak NG is pretty crap at emojis as well, so I am after trying to fix both of these, but before I do, is there any more complete Emoji .dic files anywhere?

 

Thanks.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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