Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Rich DeSteno

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Rich DeSteno

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Rich DeSteno

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise

I've always found the pitch change to be barely audible even when the level is ramped up! The problem with the "Say Cap" and "Beep for Caps" is that it doesn't do it when you are using Read All, only when you are navigating letter-by-letter. It also doesn't work if you are typing something and your settings are to read words rather than letters.

I discussed this on here back in September 2019 when, for my Masters dissertation, I badly needed to be able to spot if I had accidentally turned Caps Lock on and had been typing in uppercase letters where I didn't want to be! Ricardo Leonarczyk helpfully gave me a link to an NVDA dictionary file which contained a regular expression that would, as Ricardo described it, "when NVDA finds individual upper case letters, it will first say "cap" and after will speak the letter, without breaking the word (inserting a space). When it finds a sequence of uppercase characters it'll say "All cap" and the sequence of letters as a whole word."

That worked perfectly for what I needed at the time. I opened the dictionary file in Notepad and then copied and pasted the search field and replacement field text into an entry in my default.dic file, and then removed it once I was finished doing such detailed editing.

If you want to find that thread, it dates from September 2019 and has the subject of Identifying Capital Letters.

I don't know if this will be any help or interest, but I thought I'd mention it :)

Giles

As far as I know, Window-Eyes was the only screen reader ever to give that flexibility. It had separate caps and punctuation levels for screen and keyboard.

 

All the best

Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 07 May 2021 15:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

It doesn’t say cap when using reade to end or reading line by line.  It doesn’t even say cap when moving by word.  In short, you get the same information as you do with pitch change.  I agree that this should be adjustable so it won’t say cap when typing if that is wished. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 9:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Yes, but for me, it seems to say Cap when doing a speak all as well, or reading line by line on the screen, which is not what you want.

 

You need independent settings for the screen and the keyboard.  Window-Eyes used to do this very well.

 

All the best

Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rich DeSteno
Sent: 07 May 2021 11:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

I use it all the time and it works quickly and totally accurately.

Rich De Steno

On 5/7/2021 4:58 AM, Gene wrote:

You can do that but that is less efficient and a more cluttered way to do this.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Rich DeSteno

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 10:49 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Uppercase pitch change is not clearly indicated with "Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard"

 

Change the NVDA settings to say "cap" when an upper case letter is typed.  You will never be in doubt again.

 

Rich De Steno

On 5/6/2021 10:18 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I use the “Windows OneCore Microsoft Richard” voice from the “English Canada” pack with NVDA.  My uppercase pitch change is set to the default of 30, but when I enter or navigate to upercase characters, there doesn’t appear to be a pitch change.  I find “Microsoft Richard” to be the most expressive of the “Windows OneCore” voices that I have installed.  Has anyone else come across something like this with any of the other “Windows OneCore” voices?

 

Thanks,

 

Louise