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Lexi
Does anyone know of any NVDA tutorials? Either in MP3 or text format?--
Please be blessed and be safe. Thank you, Lexi |
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Ann Byrne <annakb@...>
On the NVDA there are excellent tutorials--NVDA basic, Word, Excel, PowerPoint. Each costs about $25 US, and is absolutely worth the cost.
At 07:51 AM 5/17/2021, you wrote: Does anyone know of any NVDA tutorials? Either in MP3 or text format?-- |
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There's also a lot of NVDA-related material, including tutorials, on Gene NZ's site: http://accessibilitycentral.net/
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. ~ Richard M. Nixon
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Agreed! I've learned a ton from working through those. Heck, I think I'm even getting comfortable with the ribbons! *gasp*
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On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 10:01 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
Heck, I think I'm even getting comfortable with the ribbons! *gasp*- I'm bookmarking this message to point to when the next round of "Ribbons are from Satan and Impossible to Use" comes up. They're menus that use a different set of keystrokes to access 'em. And they're never going away, so gaining that comfort is to your (you, personally, and all the generic yous out there) advantage. Your great advantage, actually. Once you start "thinking ribbon" it's really no different than "thinking menu." And for frequently used functions, whatever those may be for you, there are keyboard shortcuts that get you straight to them. Navigating the ribbon looking for them, just like navigating the menu looking for them, is not necessary. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 Always remember others may hate you but those who hate you don't win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself. ~ Richard M. Nixon
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Gene
If you haven’t seen my brief tutorial on ribbons, going through it and
practicing a little may make you more comfortable. And it may persuade you
that you may become very comfortable with them through continued use if you now
have understanding of their logical interface, where as this may have been
incomplete before.
I think the main reason so many people object to ribbons is that they
didn’t receive proper, if any, instruction in their use. Those in that
position might reflect that if they hadn’t received any instruction on menus,
they might have found them puzzling as well. Since menus were the standard
interface in the past, they learned them with instruction.
Here, below my signature, is the tutorial, which I often send when the
subject comes up because new people may well see it.
Gene
Ribbons are ribbons wherever you find them. This tutorial teaches you
how to move through them and see or skip what you want. certain ways of
movement may cause you to miss things and not have any idea you are.
First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you
need to know about-- the split button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in
Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options
than just the default action. Let's take an example.
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.
If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is the
default action. Split buttons often show more options if you either right
arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example, if you are on the
shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will
open. the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and
others. You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut
commands you hear announced as you move through the list. the letter
shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using
them, just as you are in menus.
So, let's review. You find a split button that says shut down.
If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other
options may be displayed. Or if you down arrow, other options may be
displayed. A split button won't work with both methods. One method,
either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the
button. Try both methods if you don't know which one might work. If
you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down
arrowing will open additional options. If the strucgture moves up and down
on the screen, right arrowing will open more options. That's why if one
doesn't work, try the other. If you open the options a split button offers
and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of
them. For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left
arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down
arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through
the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with split
buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used
alt down arrow to open it.
Now, to ribbons themselves.
Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if
you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and
efficiently. and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual
menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being
difficult to use. the training material is just plain wrong and using
virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader.
There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here. I
will say regarding the dependence on one screen-reader iswsue that tutorials for
programs that use ribbons done for blind people generally don't use the JAWS
virtual ribbons and you will be greatly limiting yourself in learning such
programs with tutorials if you use the JAWS virtual ribbons. The JAWS
virtual ribbons are off by default so you needn't do anything if you haven't
turned them on.
Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.
Everyone with Windows 7 and higher has the ribbon version of Wordpad on their
machine.
The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper
ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc.
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move
through the ribbons. Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through
all the menus.
For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with
the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right
arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish. You can move
through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left
arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.
Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You will move through all
items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon.
In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to
it. Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you
backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons. Use either the space bar
or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if
you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.
Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work
with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use
the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it is
either insert.
Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert
tab. You will hear some extraneous information. The last thing you
will hear is the short cut sequence. You can repeat the information by
repeating the command as often as you want.
Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.
Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons. You
can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt
once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down
grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have
to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at
the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the
button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing.
you will hear the item you are on and the short cut information to open or cause
that item to take an action. This iss the same behavior as in any standard
menu.
I told you one of the long ways to open the menu. The short cut way
is alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all
the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will
hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window,
you open the menu with alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menu and
a then opens save as. In other words, alt f was chosen as the short cut
way to open the single menu in ribbon programs because it allowed the
preservation of commands people have used for decades, such as alt f, a, for
save as.
Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many
important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there.
By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools
menu.
Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some
more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the
ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would
move from menu to menu.
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes
you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.
Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through
the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So
tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you
tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named
respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you
tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond
category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear
everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you
do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon.
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a
menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use
regularly.
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize
items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help
you see if there is a category you want to look through.
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v
for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from
category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to
a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you
can shift tab to move back.
You can switch between moving by groups and individual items as often as
you want. You can move to a group, look through the items, then continue
to move by group, switching to individual items again when you find a group you
want to move through by individual items.
Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by
moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in
a category.
Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are
mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't
already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list
of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in
the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an
older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know
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Chris
NVDA comes with a user guide under the help menu, look there to get started
From: Lexi
Sent: 17 May 2021 13:51 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA tutorials
Does anyone know of any NVDA tutorials? Either in MP3 or text format?-- Please be blessed and be safe. Thank you,
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Rosemarie Chavarria
There's a very good tutorial by Joseph Lee called Welcome to NVDA. It's quite comprehensive and well worth taking the time to study.
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Hi,
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One huge caveat with my tutorial set: the latest edition is from 2018. Although quite comprehensive, it wasn't updated to talk about NvDA Settings interface and advancements in NVDA such as configuration profile hot keys, Chromium Edge, and countless changes. The tutorial set was also published before Add-on Updater was first released; if there was a 2021 edition of this tutorial set, Add-on Updater might be demonstrated, but then I'll be entering a phase of life (graduate education) that would not be ideal for producing further NVDA tutorials. Cheers, Joseph -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria Sent: Monday, May 17, 2021 8:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA tutorials There's a very good tutorial by Joseph Lee called Welcome to NVDA. It's quite comprehensive and well worth taking the time to study. On 5/17/2021 6:09 AM, Ann Byrne wrote: On the NVDA there are excellent tutorials--NVDA basic, Word, Excel, |
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Tony Ballou
Hi Lexi,
You can purchase training materials from the NVDA online shop.
Go to https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
For additional tutorials go to http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials.html
Hope this helps.
Tony
On 5/17/2021 8:51 AM, Lexi wrote:
Does anyone know of any NVDA tutorials? Either in MP3 or text format?-- |
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