How do I check a check box?


erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi all,  I'm filling out a form in open office.  I was able to type in the areas for entering text, but I have to check a checkbox at the bottom and I don't off hand see how to do that.  Space and enter don't work.

I just downloaded the latest versions of nvda and open office today.  It's all running on my windows 7 virtual machine.  Even with the latest gear I haven't been able to get the box checked, although I am abashed to admit I first tried it on a version of NVDA from 2011.

Thanks for any help and suggestions.

Erik Burggraaf



 

Erik,

           What version of Open Office?

            I have Libre Office, Open Office, and Microsoft Office 2010 on my machine.  If the form in question is downloadable, or you have a blank version, you can feel free to e-mail it to me and I'll see what I can do to activate a checkbox using NVDA 2016.1.

            If you're a mouse user typically a left mouse click on a checkbox acts as a toggle.  You might want to get focus on the checkbox object and hit Num Pad Divide (desktop keyboard layout) or NVDA+[ (laptop keyboard layout) to see if it has the same effect.  The spacebar and enter work in the context of web browsing, but I think that may be the only context where that works.

Brian


Kevin Cussick
 

Nvda and enter should do it.

On 05/04/2016 22:43, Brian Vogel wrote:
Erik,

What version of Open Office?

I have Libre Office, Open Office, and Microsoft Office 2010 on my machine. If the form in question is downloadable, or you have a blank version, you can feel free to e-mail it to me and I'll see what I can do to activate a checkbox using NVDA 2016.1.

If you're a mouse user typically a left mouse click on a checkbox acts as a toggle. You might want to get focus on the checkbox object and hit Num Pad Divide (desktop keyboard layout) or NVDA+[ (laptop keyboard layout) to see if it has the same effect. The spacebar and enter work in the context of web browsing, but I think that may be the only context where that works.

Brian


 

hi.
i tested both libreoffice open office and space works for me well.
i can use space and check uncheck any item that i want.

On 4/6/16, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io
<the.big.white.shepherd@...> wrote:
Nvda and enter should do it.

On 05/04/2016 22:43, Brian Vogel wrote:
Erik,

What version of Open Office?

I have Libre Office, Open Office, and Microsoft Office 2010
on my machine. If the form in question is downloadable, or you have a
blank version, you can feel free to e-mail it to me and I'll see what I
can do to activate a checkbox using NVDA 2016.1.

If you're a mouse user typically a left mouse click on a
checkbox acts as a toggle. You might want to get focus on the checkbox
object and hit Num Pad Divide (desktop keyboard layout) or NVDA+[ (laptop
keyboard layout) to see if it has the same effect. The spacebar and enter
work in the context of web browsing, but I think that may be the only
context where that works.

Brian



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Kevin Cussick
 

well yes, agreed but for this user it didn't work.

On 06/04/2016 03:59, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i tested both libreoffice open office and space works for me well.
i can use space and check uncheck any item that i want.

On 4/6/16, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io
<the.big.white.shepherd@...> wrote:
Nvda and enter should do it.

On 05/04/2016 22:43, Brian Vogel wrote:
Erik,

What version of Open Office?

I have Libre Office, Open Office, and Microsoft Office 2010
on my machine. If the form in question is downloadable, or you have a
blank version, you can feel free to e-mail it to me and I'll see what I
can do to activate a checkbox using NVDA 2016.1.

If you're a mouse user typically a left mouse click on a
checkbox acts as a toggle. You might want to get focus on the checkbox
object and hit Num Pad Divide (desktop keyboard layout) or NVDA+[ (laptop
keyboard layout) to see if it has the same effect. The spacebar and enter
work in the context of web browsing, but I think that may be the only
context where that works.

Brian



erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi Brian,
On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

           What version of Open Office?

My about dialog states AOO412M3 october 2015.  I just downloaded it a couple of days ago so it should be up to date.


If the form in question is downloadable, or you have a blank version, you can feel free to e-mail it to me and I'll see what I can do to activate a checkbox using NVDA 2016.1.


Here is a link to the form.

            If you're a mouse user typically a left mouse click on a checkbox acts as a toggle.  You might want to get focus on the checkbox object and hit Num Pad Divide (desktop keyboard layout) or NVDA+[ (laptop keyboard layout) to see if it has the same effect.  


This is another issue. My virtual machine is showing severe neglect.  I am in the process of fixing it as we speak, but in the current configuration I have no nvda key.  Most upsetting.  I wanted to try the suggestions of NVDA plus left bracket and nvda plus enter but I'm on a bit of a time constraint and it may take a long while to get my keyboard back in shape.

Thanks for looking.

Brian



 

Erik,

              I have the same version of Open Office and, interestingly, I just had a crash while trying to play around with this form.  I can replicate the crash if I tab beyond the "end" of the form trying to jump to the next (and non-existent, in this case) fillable item.

              The above being noted, the form itself probably has accessibility issues.  I have not used "fillable forms" in Open Office but have in MS-Office and, based on what you've supplied, this thing appears to be a form template but not set up that the end user can only enter data in specific form fields.  Some of what you've filled in shows up in advance of the text boxes that I presume the developer probably thought you'd be landing in and then typing in.  There is only one checkbox, at the bottom of page two, and even when I click on it with the mouse the object itself is not announced (making me believe there's no alternate text that describes its purpose) nor do I get any feedback from NVDA when I check or uncheck directly with the mouse.

                I took it upon myself to "go to the source" and this form downloads as an MS-Word document.  When opened under MS-Word it behaves as I'd expect - a template with fillable fields and those fields are the only thing you can touch.  It's still horrible from an accessibility standpoint because the fields do not have any descriptive text associated with them to tell you what you've landed in and the checkbox is the same.  Checkbox is announced but the question would be, "Checkbox for what?"

                If I open the MS-Word document under Open Office or Libre Office, even retaining that format and not converting to ODT format, neither behaves at all well with this form.  They both go back to treating it as if the whole document should be editable rather than traversing just the form fields and letting you fill them in.

                I'm sorry that this is what I have to report.  Given "the source" of this form it would be entirely legitimate to complain loudly that the form itself, in MS-Word, is not accessible in its native format.  They need to add at least descriptive text, if not that and help text, to the various form fields so that anyone accessing it with Word and a screen reader can have a clue as to what they're expected to be filling in when they land on a given field or are checking to indicate on a checkbox.  I doubt you'll get any traction as far as compatibility with OpenOffice or LibreOffice.  Organizations don't, and can't, create electronic forms for every conceivable office suite.  That being said, if they wanted to be more "universal" about it they should be using fillable PDFs, which are supported under Adobe Reader and can be saved after being filled in.

Brian


 

Erik,

          I forgot to say, but should have, that this does not appear to be an issue with NVDA, nor even with Open Office, per se.  There are just too many layers of conversion going on from the original source and something is getting lost in the conversion before you ever start working with the thing in Open Office.

Brian


Rob
 

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Organizations don't, and can't, create electronic forms for every conceivable office suite. That being said, if they wanted to be more "universal" about it they should be using fillable PDFs, which are supported under Adobe Reader and can be saved after being filled in.
Even that isn't always applicable. I got Adobe Reader DC and the sign and fill in tool is not at all usable. In addition, you often run into the same problem as the form you described--no descriptive text for the fields. A lot of those pdf forms are just scanned documents and not created correctly.