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David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello NVDA Group,
In 2007, I became aware of Jarte and NVDA when getting a refurbished computer from a Texas-based organization called Computers for the Blind. For those unfamiliar, Jarte was said to mimic the functions of WordPad and go further. It was paired with NVDA on computers provided by this organization. Since 2019, Jarte has not released new updates nor supported its latest updates. Is there a program that is now promoted to be as user friendly for the vision impaired as Jarte was bestowed with such acolades? I assume NVDA and Jarte were favored by the above organization as each offered a free version. Thanks in advance. -- David C. Russell, Author |
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Gene
What do you want the program to do that it doesn’t now? And what
benefit is there for support?
Gene -----Original Message-----
Hello
NVDA Group, In 2007, I became aware of Jarte and NVDA when getting a refurbished computer from a Texas-based organization called Computers for the Blind. For those unfamiliar, Jarte was said to mimic the functions of WordPad and go further. It was paired with NVDA on computers provided by this organization. Since 2019, Jarte has not released new updates nor supported its latest updates. Is there a program that is now promoted to be as user friendly for the vision impaired as Jarte was bestowed with such acolades? I assume NVDA and Jarte were favored by the above organization as each offered a free version. Thanks in advance. -- David C. Russell, Author |
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David Goldfield
I agree that Jarte is quite a nimble word processor and works well with NVDA. While every feature in Libreoffice may not be as accessible as we might prefer it is extremely powerful and works well enough to function with NVDA. It has a regular release cadence from what appears to be a vibrant and passionate team.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 12:05 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] History with Jarte and NVDA
What do you want the program to do that it doesn’t now? And what benefit is there for support?
Gene -----Original Message-----
Hello NVDA Group, |
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David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello NVDA Group,
To Gene, David, and others interested. Gene, Jarte was a 'nimble' word processor said to be basic and not have all the bells and whistles found on MS Word. I believe only Jarte+ is available for free, or at its cost of under twenty-five US dollars. Also, the plus version offers spelling error features via the screen reader mode, and again mimics WordPad. That answers your question of what I ant it to do for a significant savings: act like MS Word for a savings of over 50 percent. The issue of the product no longer being supported is concerning. Should this raise 'flags' and what might those be? To David, a friend suggested LibreOffice, too. I note from doing a Google search, there were issues in 2019 with this program repeating words, skipping text, and perhaps spellcheck. I did pick up on the producers being passionate from what I read by them. As a writer, I am reliant on software working well and together. These past issues were said to occur between LibreOffice and either Jaws or NVDA. If you can allay my concerns to their existence, I will give LibreOffice strong consideration as it is still active! I have files on a thumb drive produced in the 2013 version of MS Word. Jarte will read those. Can one expect the same from LibreOffice? Excuse me for my wordiness, but I have found that two or more heads on a matter may be better than one.. Thanks! -- David C. Russell, Author |
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Jarte is indeed out of support as far as ongoing development and maintenance, but given the nature of the program, and that the producers are still keeping their website active and allowing downloading of Jarte Plus at no cost, they're not telegraphing that it should not be used. It lives in a sort of twilight world where its makers are not pulling it but they're also not doing any further development on it. It's not unlike Classic Shell in that regard, although the makers of CS are pointing people to Open Shell, if memory serves.
Should there come a point where something actually breaks as far as Jarte and Windows 10 go, then the only alternative would be another alternative. That's just the way it goes with abandonware, as it's often called. Since Jarte does not, if memory serves, have much (if any) intimate contact with cyberspace outside its update function which, obviously, will no longer work I would not feel uncomfortable using it from a security standpoint unless something is found with regard to it having a previously undetected vulnerability to attack. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Gene
A product no longer being supported means nothing in and of itself.
All it means is that it isn’t being updated any longer to adde new features or
put in place patches for security vulnerabilities. I doubt very much that
JARTE needs to concern itself with security vulnerabilities. I t doesn’t
do things like run JMacros which Word can be made to do which may introduce
security flaws that might be patched in future. JARTE has many features
but it is not a complex word processor. I see no reason not to use it.
You can use something else, there are accessible or reasonably accessible
free alternatives. They are more complex programs; You already know
JARTE. While you can get and use another program, if there is no
advantage, why go through the trouble?
I can’t, of course, advise you on whether to use JARTE since I don’t know
what you want to do. I can only say that if you know or learn through
discussion here that it meets your needs, I see no reason not to use it.
And if you can still purchase it for whatever features you may want, I see
no reason not to do so.
Gene -----Original Message-----
From: David Russell
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:27 AM
Subject: [nvda] RE History with Jarte and NVDA Hello
NVDA Group, To Gene, David, and others interested. Gene, Jarte was a 'nimble' word processor said to be basic and not have all the bells and whistles found on MS Word. I believe only Jarte+ is available for free, or at its cost of under twenty-five US dollars. Also, the plus version offers spelling error features via the screen reader mode, and again mimics WordPad. That answers your question of what I ant it to do for a significant savings: act like MS Word for a savings of over 50 percent. The issue of the product no longer being supported is concerning. Should this raise 'flags' and what might those be? To David, a friend suggested LibreOffice, too. I note from doing a Google search, there were issues in 2019 with this program repeating words, skipping text, and perhaps spellcheck. I did pick up on the producers being passionate from what I read by them. As a writer, I am reliant on software working well and together. These past issues were said to occur between LibreOffice and either Jaws or NVDA. If you can allay my concerns to their existence, I will give LibreOffice strong consideration as it is still active! I have files on a thumb drive produced in the 2013 version of MS Word. Jarte will read those. Can one expect the same from LibreOffice? Excuse me for my wordiness, but I have found that two or more heads on a matter may be better than one.. Thanks! -- David C. Russell, Author |
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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 10:20 AM, Gene wrote:
And if you can still purchase it for whatever features you may want, I see no reason not to do so.- Gene, just as a note, there is no version that requires purchase anymore. When the developers ceased development they put Jarte Plus, which was the fuller-featured purchased version, on their downloads page at no cost. The final version was 6.2. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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yes, libreoffice can opens various types of microsoft files by default, and even you can edit and save the files as their original extensions. On 5/25/21, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote:
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Actually jarte just came out with a new update a few months ago. I love and use it as my default editor except when I have to use notepad, which is rare now a days.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 7:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] History with Jarte and NVDA Hello NVDA Group, In 2007, I became aware of Jarte and NVDA when getting a refurbished computer from a Texas-based organization called Computers for the Blind. For those unfamiliar, Jarte was said to mimic the functions of WordPad and go further. It was paired with NVDA on computers provided by this organization. Since 2019, Jarte has not released new updates nor supported its latest updates. Is there a program that is now promoted to be as user friendly for the vision impaired as Jarte was bestowed with such acolades? I assume NVDA and Jarte were favored by the above organization as each offered a free version. Thanks in advance. -- David C. Russell, Author |
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Actually you can still buy jarte to auto correct stuff when you type or spell check. I have not bought it as of yet, but I have edited the ini file to heavily customize the heck out of the program to make it fit my needs. You can even make it sound like a typewriter which helps me actually.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 6:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] RE History with Jarte and NVDA Hello NVDA Group, To Gene, David, and others interested. Gene, Jarte was a 'nimble' word processor said to be basic and not have all the bells and whistles found on MS Word. I believe only Jarte+ is available for free, or at its cost of under twenty-five US dollars. Also, the plus version offers spelling error features via the screen reader mode, and again mimics WordPad. That answers your question of what I ant it to do for a significant savings: act like MS Word for a savings of over 50 percent. The issue of the product no longer being supported is concerning. Should this raise 'flags' and what might those be? To David, a friend suggested LibreOffice, too. I note from doing a Google search, there were issues in 2019 with this program repeating words, skipping text, and perhaps spellcheck. I did pick up on the producers being passionate from what I read by them. As a writer, I am reliant on software working well and together. These past issues were said to occur between LibreOffice and either Jaws or NVDA. If you can allay my concerns to their existence, I will give LibreOffice strong consideration as it is still active! I have files on a thumb drive produced in the 2013 version of MS Word. Jarte will read those. Can one expect the same from LibreOffice? Excuse me for my wordiness, but I have found that two or more heads on a matter may be better than one.. Thanks! -- David C. Russell, Author |
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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:36 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Actually jarte just came out with a new update a few months ago.- Sarah, their own website, https://www.jarte.com/, specifically, https://www.jarte.com/store.html , states: Jarte Plus is now free and can be downloaded from the download page Their support page reads, in its entirety: Support is no longer provided for Jarte. No further development of the Jarte program is expected. If you are a Jarte Plus customer who needs a new download link for Jarte Plus then please note that Jarte Plus is now freely available to everyone and can be downloaded from the Download page. See the Jarte Help document for any other help you may need. -------------- If you've got something newer than Version 6.2 then it's not the Jarte that most of us think of when Jarte is mentioned. And that terminal (as in final) version came out in early 2018. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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This topic is now locked, as I think anything and everything about Jarte that can be covered in reference to accessibility with NVDA has.
It's also now unsupported software that one uses at one's own risk. And I'm not trying to imply that there is any security risk, just that if something occurs with Windows that breaks Jarte it will remain broken. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...>
Hello Group,
Again, thanks to you who responded to my topic here about Jarte, NVDA and relevant concerns. I will go with Jarte having had past experience with it, and glad you elucidated on what it means that its producers have it in a "twilight" sort of existence. My main purpose with Jarte will be to do fiction writing and article content writing, submission of work to various outlets for consideration. By the way, finding reviews via Google of word processing programs tailored to the vision impaired seems limited on my end. Best, -- David C. Russell, Author |
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