NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)
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William James
Got you covered! NVDA Remote for iOS Being Developed You're encouraged to test this: https://testflight.apple.com/join/oEUkUTMd
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From: Crayton Benner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:28 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDARemote
I saw that link on twitter yesterday. I should have posted it. On Wednesday, May 26, 2021, 15:19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
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This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky: What need is this addressing?
Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform only software, I can't imagine what the benefit of trying to control it from the iOS platform would be. I can't even figure out what the UI for NVDA Remote under iOS would be. Since there seems to be enthusiasm, I ask those who have it to enlighten me. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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William James
One case I can think of right off the bat is tech support. Let’s say someone has a computer that is not responding or they have a setting that got tweaked. A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.
I’m sure more folks will have better explanations than mine.
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 5:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)
This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky: What need is this addressing? Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Crayton Benner <craybay3198@...>
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On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 17:53, William James <wil@...> wrote:
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On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:
A totally blind person could remote in using a Bluetooth keyboard with the iDevice and troubleshoot the issue.- The question then becomes: How likely is such a scenario? Even more important: How likely is it that anyone who would be willing and able to work with NVDA Remote will not have the native PC platform to do it with? As I said, though, I have no skin in this game. I'm just trying to understand the rationale. Software in general is a major investment in time and money, and as a result it usually doesn't get developed unless there is an identified need first. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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William James
You are posing some very good questions on this topic. I hope the developer of this app will step in and clarify his/her position on why they developed this app.
One thing I can definitely say: The possibilities are endless! Where there’s a will, there’s a way. No pun intended.
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:05 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:53 PM, William James wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Rui Fontes
I am not a iOS user.
Às 22:39 de 27/05/2021, William James
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On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:12 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
I am not a iOS user.- And? How does this relate to what you quoted, or anything so far in this topic? It feels like something's missing. I'm not an iOS user, either. And while I have little doubt that there are a great many iPhone and/or iPad (thus, iOS) users who also use NVDA, I doubt that most ever think of those spheres at the same time. That's why I find this whole development odd, to say the least. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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I believe someone already got something working according to the applevis website. I can’t find the article just now, but a quick search on their forums should do the trick.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:50 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)
This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky: What need is this addressing? Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Hareth <hareth4m@...>
The answer really depends on the user need with remotely using the PC,
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the developer might answer for his own reason which maybe has nothing with mine or yours. Check the play store reviews for team viewer you'd find many reasons for why tens of millions using that app to remotely controlling their PC's using android phones. BTW there is an android app does let us use NVDA remote as well. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vortex.narwall&hl=en&gl=US On 5/27/21, William James <wil@...> wrote:
You are posing some very good questions on this topic. I hope the developer |
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On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:20 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I believe someone already got something working according to the applevis website.- Sarah, I'm more than willing to take your word on this, as I shan't be joining another online venue at this point. But even if that's so, I'd still be asking the question I set out at the beginning: What need is this intended to address? Even those who develop open-source software "just for fun" tend to have started out because something they either wanted or needed did not exist. It had to be created. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:25 PM, Hareth wrote:
BTW there is an android app does let us use NVDA remote as well.- I'd have the same question for this, too. But I give the developer of this credit for being very conservative (and appropriate) with the permissions this Android app requests. The list appears to be strictly what would be necessary for the back-and-forth between the devices. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Hareth <hareth4m@...>
blind IOS users with the need of remotely control their PC's probably
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has no other way but to use NVDA specially with this app potential. Actually I find it very promising for those who need the service. On 5/27/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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Luke Davis
Brian Vogel wrote:
This is a serious question, and not meant to be taken as snarky: What need is this addressing?Since NVDA (and JAWS, for that matter) are PC platform onlyBrian You seem to be looking at this from the screen reader prospective, rather than the simple prospective of being able to use a remote desktop from a smartphone. The sighted community has had for years, the ability to remote in to a work computer, for example, via their smartphone after hours, to quickly do something that can't easily be done directly from the smartphone itself. Until now, there hasn't really been any convenient way for blind users to do this, unless your work was a primarily Linux environment and you could come in through SSH from your phone/tablet. For me at least, this opens quite a few possibilities, depending on exactly how well it works. For example, there are administrative tools for some of my daily tasks, that only work from a Windows browser. Whether in iOS Chrome or Safari, using mobile or requested desktop sites, they simply don't work from iOS. That means that if a customer calls me while I don't have access to a laptop, until now they would just have to wait until I did. If this actually works well, I could now remote into one of my home systems by private server, and remotely fill that need immediately. A situation occurred just yesterday wherein that would have been very helpful indeed. I for one welcome this development. I have needed it enough, that were I an iOS developer, I would have tried it myself a long time ago. Luke |
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On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
You seem to be looking at this from the screen reader prospective- That would be a correct conjecture. I don't think of any of the screen reader "remotes" as being the equivalent of a standard remote desktop. You've raised good points, and ones I had not thought of, since they weren't a part of "the big, but not big enough" picture that I had in my mind. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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Now if it would only spread to android/mac/linux, you could basically run a windows system with nvda and control it from anywhere you want.
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So all you would need is whatever you wanted and run it just for geek sake. On 28/05/2021 10:30 am, Hareth wrote:
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hurrikennyandopo ...
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Is this what you are saying part of this idea on apple vis at https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/app-concept-nvda-remote-ios
I know there is a friend of mine who uses apple devices and this waswas a question he asked me if he could control nvda on another computer from his device. I said to him at that time I did not think so.
Gene nz
On 28/05/2021 9:39 am, William James
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Well it would be nice to have a mmore universal remote from anywhere.
On 28/05/2021 11:50 am,
hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
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Agreed. I often need to access my computer while on my phone, down stairs to check on something. I’ve been relying on someone in notepad on my machine sending me messages as to how things are going. Now that won’t be necessary, or at least, not as often.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:46 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:41 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 I do not understand why some seek to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of who you are. ~ Brian Vogel
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That would be nice, but that might right now seem like a lofty dream.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 4:59 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: NVDA Remote for iOS (was RE: [nvda] NVDARemote)
Well it would be nice to have a mmore universal remote from anywhere.
On 28/05/2021 11:50 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
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