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Hi Quentin I upgraded to NVDA 2021.1 and suddenly I find that I can no longer use the ASCII codes, as I used to do. I’m talking, eg, ALT+130 (to type Acute E, etc. I haven’t updated the version of Word I’m using, it still is Word 2016. Is there a remedy to rectify this problem, or any other way to create these codes? Regards Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa))
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error Hi Chris, Thanks for highlighting these! The good news (for me), the first one is where I must have rewritten the paragraph and then inadvertently left both copies in. The second was where I had simply repeated a sentence - and the rest are changes Microsoft have made to their ribbon structure. In each of those cases, the keystroke changing is caused by Microsoft moving the option into a submenu, so it it on the same ribbon but you need to add 0, then 0: To toggle the BCC field, press alt+p, 0, 0, b To add reccurance to a calendar event, with the event open, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, e. To add a new calendar, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, a, o (as well as being in that 0 0 menu, it is in an "add / share" submenu as well, as is b" for new blank calendar). The recurrence change is the one I really disagree with - while you shouldn't need to add calendars too often, or toggle the BCC field, you often need to add or edit recurrance to a calender event. If anyone else feels the same way, the best I can suggest is petitioning Microsoft to make it easier to get to. I'll update the module in the shop, once I've edit it a bit more - and if you find any other issues through the remainder of the module, please do let me know! On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:55 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote: Hi. Here’s what I’ve jotted down so far as I work through the module. I’m only about halfway through, and I’m not sure which of these are actual issues or a matter of misreading things on my part, i.e. operator error. NOTE: The following possible errors were encountered while working through your Outlook training, while using Outlook version 16.0.14326.20216. A general comment: Lists, like the table of contents, are not formatted correctly in the epub version, at least when read using QRead 3.21 for Windows. Could these be put one item per line, or even turned into hyperlinks, if the EPUB format supports it? 2.4 Sending Email: Duplicate sentence. “After writing and double checking a message, press alt+s to send it. Once sent, the message cannot be cancelled. After writing and double checking a message, it is ready to be sent. To send a message, press alt+s. Once a message has been sent, it can generally not be recalled.” 2.7 Reading Messages You repeat yourself in the paragraph about message sorting. “The default message order is to have the newest at the top and the oldest at the bottom. To reverse this sort order, press alt+v, then r, then s. The sort order can also be changed to another field. Sort by subject to have messages sorted by their subject line, alphabetically. Messages can also be sorted by sender, recipient, and many other fields. Press alt+v, then a, then b to choose the field messages are arranged by. This opens a menu where the field to sort by can be chosen. If desired, reverse the sort order with alt+v, then r, then s.” 3.6 Using BCC “Press alt+p to open the Options ribbon, then b to activate the BCC option.” While editing a message ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything. 4.6 Recurring Appointments: “When editing an appointment, press alt+h, then e to open the "Appointment Recurrence" dialog.” I get an error chime when I press the E in that key sequence. 4.8 Using Multiple Calendars: “To add a new calendar, press alt+h, then o, then c.” I can’t get that to work. I hope to get through the rest of the module today. Chris
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Hi Chris,
Is it that pressing alt+130 is not working at all, or that NVDA is not reporting anything when you press it? I just tried now, and it inserts é into Word (365 at least), but NVDA did not report anything. I will write up an issue for that, but the é character definitely did get inserted.
Quentin.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 6:28 PM Christo Vorster < cvklaviere@...> wrote: Hi Quentin I upgraded to NVDA 2021.1 and suddenly I find that I can no longer use the ASCII codes, as I used to do. I’m talking, eg, ALT+130 (to type Acute E, etc. I haven’t updated the version of Word I’m using, it still is Word 2016. Is there a remedy to rectify this problem, or any other way to create these codes? Regards Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)) From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error Hi Chris, Thanks for highlighting these! The good news (for me), the first one is where I must have rewritten the paragraph and then inadvertently left both copies in. The second was where I had simply repeated a sentence - and the rest are changes Microsoft have made to their ribbon structure. In each of those cases, the keystroke changing is caused by Microsoft moving the option into a submenu, so it it on the same ribbon but you need to add 0, then 0: To toggle the BCC field, press alt+p, 0, 0, b To add reccurance to a calendar event, with the event open, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, e. To add a new calendar, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, a, o (as well as being in that 0 0 menu, it is in an "add / share" submenu as well, as is b" for new blank calendar). The recurrence change is the one I really disagree with - while you shouldn't need to add calendars too often, or toggle the BCC field, you often need to add or edit recurrance to a calender event. If anyone else feels the same way, the best I can suggest is petitioning Microsoft to make it easier to get to. I'll update the module in the shop, once I've edit it a bit more - and if you find any other issues through the remainder of the module, please do let me know! On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:55 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote: Hi. Here’s what I’ve jotted down so far as I work through the module. I’m only about halfway through, and I’m not sure which of these are actual issues or a matter of misreading things on my part, i.e. operator error. NOTE: The following possible errors were encountered while working through your Outlook training, while using Outlook version 16.0.14326.20216. A general comment: Lists, like the table of contents, are not formatted correctly in the epub version, at least when read using QRead 3.21 for Windows. Could these be put one item per line, or even turned into hyperlinks, if the EPUB format supports it? 2.4 Sending Email: Duplicate sentence. “After writing and double checking a message, press alt+s to send it. Once sent, the message cannot be cancelled. After writing and double checking a message, it is ready to be sent. To send a message, press alt+s. Once a message has been sent, it can generally not be recalled.” 2.7 Reading Messages You repeat yourself in the paragraph about message sorting. “The default message order is to have the newest at the top and the oldest at the bottom. To reverse this sort order, press alt+v, then r, then s. The sort order can also be changed to another field. Sort by subject to have messages sorted by their subject line, alphabetically. Messages can also be sorted by sender, recipient, and many other fields. Press alt+v, then a, then b to choose the field messages are arranged by. This opens a menu where the field to sort by can be chosen. If desired, reverse the sort order with alt+v, then r, then s.” 3.6 Using BCC “Press alt+p to open the Options ribbon, then b to activate the BCC option.” While editing a message ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything. 4.6 Recurring Appointments: “When editing an appointment, press alt+h, then e to open the "Appointment Recurrence" dialog.” I get an error chime when I press the E in that key sequence. 4.8 Using Multiple Calendars: “To add a new calendar, press alt+h, then o, then c.” I can’t get that to work. I hope to get through the rest of the module today. Chris
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Here, with last Alpha of NVDA and last version of Office 365, is
working alright...
Rui Fontes
Às 09:27 de 01/09/2021, Christo Vorster
escreveu:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Hi Quentin
I upgraded to NVDA 2021.1 and
suddenly I find that I can no longer use the ASCII codes, as
I used to do. I’m talking, eg, ALT+130 (to type Acute E,
etc.
I haven’t updated the version of Word
I’m using, it still is Word 2016.
Is there a remedy to rectify this
problem, or any other way to create these codes?
Regards
Christo Vorster (Worcester, South
Africa))
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error
Hi Chris,
Thanks for highlighting these! The
good news (for me), the first one is where I must have
rewritten the paragraph and then inadvertently left both
copies in. The second was where I had simply repeated a
sentence - and the rest are changes Microsoft have made
to their ribbon structure.
In each of those cases, the keystroke
changing is caused by Microsoft moving the option into a
submenu, so it it on the same ribbon but you need to add
0, then 0:
To toggle the BCC field, press alt+p,
0, 0, b
To add reccurance to a calendar
event, with the event open, you now need to press alt+h,
0, 0, e.
To add a new calendar, you now need
to press alt+h, 0, 0, a, o (as well as being in that 0
0 menu, it is in an "add / share" submenu as well, as is
b" for new blank calendar).
The recurrence change is the one I
really disagree with - while you shouldn't need to add
calendars too often, or toggle the BCC field, you often
need to add or edit recurrance to a calender event. If
anyone else feels the same way, the best I can suggest
is petitioning Microsoft to make it easier to get to.
I'll update the module in the shop,
once I've edit it a bit more - and if you find any other
issues through the remainder of the module, please do
let me know!
On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:55 PM
Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...>
wrote:
Hi.
Here’s what
I’ve jotted down so far as I work through the
module. I’m only about halfway through, and I’m
not sure which of these are actual issues or a
matter of misreading things on my part, i.e.
operator error.
NOTE: The
following possible errors were encountered while
working through your Outlook training, while using
Outlook version 16.0.14326.20216.
A general
comment: Lists, like the table of contents, are
not formatted correctly in the epub version, at
least when read using QRead 3.21 for Windows.
Could these be put one item per line, or even
turned into hyperlinks, if the EPUB format
supports it?
2.4 Sending
Email: Duplicate sentence.
“After writing
and double checking a message, press alt+s to send
it. Once sent, the message cannot be cancelled.
After writing and double checking a message, it is
ready to be sent. To send a message, press alt+s.
Once a message has been sent, it can generally not
be recalled.”
2.7 Reading
Messages
You repeat
yourself in the paragraph about message sorting.
“The default message order is to have
the newest at the top and the oldest at the
bottom. To reverse this sort order, press alt+v,
then r, then s. The sort order can also be changed
to another field. Sort by subject to have messages
sorted by their subject line, alphabetically.
Messages can also be sorted by sender, recipient,
and many other fields. Press alt+v, then a, then b
to choose the field messages are arranged by. This
opens a menu where the field to sort by can be
chosen. If desired, reverse the sort order with
alt+v, then r, then s.”
3.6 Using BCC
“Press alt+p to open the Options
ribbon, then b to activate the BCC option.”
While editing
a message ALT+P does indeed open the Options
ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything.
4.6 Recurring
Appointments:
“When editing an appointment, press
alt+h, then e to open the "Appointment Recurrence"
dialog.”
I get an error
chime when I press the E in that key sequence.
4.8 Using
Multiple Calendars:
“To add a new calendar, press alt+h,
then o, then c.”
I can’t get
that to work.
I hope to get
through the rest of the module today.
Chris
--
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Hi Quentin Nothing happens. I tried it just now and it reads “e” but not, as earlier, “e acute”.
Regards
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 11:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of ASCII codes Hi Chris, Is it that pressing alt+130 is not working at all, or that NVDA is not reporting anything when you press it? I just tried now, and it inserts é into Word (365 at least), but NVDA did not report anything. I will write up an issue for that, but the é character definitely did get inserted. On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 6:28 PM Christo Vorster <cvklaviere@...> wrote: Hi Quentin I upgraded to NVDA 2021.1 and suddenly I find that I can no longer use the ASCII codes, as I used to do. I’m talking, eg, ALT+130 (to type Acute E, etc. I haven’t updated the version of Word I’m using, it still is Word 2016. Is there a remedy to rectify this problem, or any other way to create these codes? Regards Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)) From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error Hi Chris, Thanks for highlighting these! The good news (for me), the first one is where I must have rewritten the paragraph and then inadvertently left both copies in. The second was where I had simply repeated a sentence - and the rest are changes Microsoft have made to their ribbon structure. In each of those cases, the keystroke changing is caused by Microsoft moving the option into a submenu, so it it on the same ribbon but you need to add 0, then 0: To toggle the BCC field, press alt+p, 0, 0, b To add reccurance to a calendar event, with the event open, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, e. To add a new calendar, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, a, o (as well as being in that 0 0 menu, it is in an "add / share" submenu as well, as is b" for new blank calendar). The recurrence change is the one I really disagree with - while you shouldn't need to add calendars too often, or toggle the BCC field, you often need to add or edit recurrance to a calender event. If anyone else feels the same way, the best I can suggest is petitioning Microsoft to make it easier to get to. I'll update the module in the shop, once I've edit it a bit more - and if you find any other issues through the remainder of the module, please do let me know! On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:55 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote: Hi. Here’s what I’ve jotted down so far as I work through the module. I’m only about halfway through, and I’m not sure which of these are actual issues or a matter of misreading things on my part, i.e. operator error. NOTE: The following possible errors were encountered while working through your Outlook training, while using Outlook version 16.0.14326.20216. A general comment: Lists, like the table of contents, are not formatted correctly in the epub version, at least when read using QRead 3.21 for Windows. Could these be put one item per line, or even turned into hyperlinks, if the EPUB format supports it? 2.4 Sending Email: Duplicate sentence. “After writing and double checking a message, press alt+s to send it. Once sent, the message cannot be cancelled. After writing and double checking a message, it is ready to be sent. To send a message, press alt+s. Once a message has been sent, it can generally not be recalled.” 2.7 Reading Messages You repeat yourself in the paragraph about message sorting. “The default message order is to have the newest at the top and the oldest at the bottom. To reverse this sort order, press alt+v, then r, then s. The sort order can also be changed to another field. Sort by subject to have messages sorted by their subject line, alphabetically. Messages can also be sorted by sender, recipient, and many other fields. Press alt+v, then a, then b to choose the field messages are arranged by. This opens a menu where the field to sort by can be chosen. If desired, reverse the sort order with alt+v, then r, then s.” 3.6 Using BCC “Press alt+p to open the Options ribbon, then b to activate the BCC option.” While editing a message ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything. 4.6 Recurring Appointments: “When editing an appointment, press alt+h, then e to open the "Appointment Recurrence" dialog.” I get an error chime when I press the E in that key sequence. 4.8 Using Multiple Calendars: “To add a new calendar, press alt+h, then o, then c.” I can’t get that to work. I hope to get through the rest of the module today. Chris
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:50:24 +0200 "Christo Vorster" <cvklaviere@...> wrote: Nothing happens. I tried it just now and it reads “e” but not, as earlier, “e acute”. What synthesizer are you using? -- Regards Lukasz
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I currently use Windows OneCor
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 13:08 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of ASCII codes On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:50:24 +0200 "Christo Vorster" <cvklaviere@...> wrote: Nothing happens. I tried it just now and it reads “e” but not, as earlier, “e acute”. What synthesizer are you using? -- Regards Lukasz
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Interesting I went to write this issue up and at first it didn't read anything, I tried changing between NVDA versions and changing some settings like turning Use UIA on and off, and now I can't get it NOT to work.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 9:11 PM Christo Vorster < cvklaviere@...> wrote: I currently use Windows OneCor
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 13:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of ASCII codes
On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:50:24 +0200
"Christo Vorster" <cvklaviere@...> wrote:
> Nothing happens. I tried it just now and it reads “e” but not, as earlier, “e acute”.
What synthesizer are you using?
--
Regards
Lukasz
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Christo, what speech synth are you making use of?
Ask that since, right now, testing this against NVDA 2021.2 beta,
in notepad, for example, eSpeak, IBM-TTS, etc. etc. will all read
out accented part of character name, but, windows one core voices
don't at all - they just tell me the primary name of the letter?
é ê ë - there's an example of 3 different accented versions of
the letter E that 3 of the one core voices just spoke out as E E
E, whereas eSpeak-ng, etc. tells me that they are E acute, E
circumflex and E umlaut.
HTH
Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
On 2021-09-01 12:50 PM, Christo Vorster
wrote:
Hi
Quentin
Nothing
happens. I tried it just now and it reads “e” but not, as
earlier, “e acute”.
Regards
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 11:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of ASCII codes
Hi Chris,
Is it that pressing alt+130 is not
working at all, or that NVDA is not reporting anything
when you press it? I just tried now, and it inserts é
into Word (365 at least), but NVDA did not report
anything. I will write up an issue for that, but the é
character definitely did get inserted.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 6:28 PM Christo
Vorster <cvklaviere@...>
wrote:
Hi
Quentin
I
upgraded to NVDA 2021.1 and suddenly I find that I
can no longer use the ASCII codes, as I used to do.
I’m talking, eg, ALT+130 (to type Acute E, etc.
I
haven’t updated the version of Word I’m using, it
still is Word 2016.
Is
there a remedy to rectify this problem, or any other
way to create these codes?
Regards
Christo
Vorster (Worcester, South Africa))
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error
Hi
Chris,
Thanks
for highlighting these! The good news (for me),
the first one is where I must have rewritten the
paragraph and then inadvertently left both
copies in. The second was where I had simply
repeated a sentence - and the rest are changes
Microsoft have made to their ribbon structure.
In
each of those cases, the keystroke changing is
caused by Microsoft moving the option into a
submenu, so it it on the same ribbon but you
need to add 0, then 0:
To
toggle the BCC field, press alt+p, 0, 0, b
To
add reccurance to a calendar event, with the
event open, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0,
e.
To
add a new calendar, you now need to press alt+h,
0, 0, a, o (as well as being in that 0 0 menu,
it is in an "add / share" submenu as well, as is
b" for new blank calendar).
The
recurrence change is the one I really disagree
with - while you shouldn't need to add calendars
too often, or toggle the BCC field, you often
need to add or edit recurrance to a calender
event. If anyone else feels the same way, the
best I can suggest is petitioning Microsoft to
make it easier to get to.
I'll
update the module in the shop, once I've edit it
a bit more - and if you find any other issues
through the remainder of the module, please do
let me know!
On
Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:55 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...>
wrote:
Hi.
Here’s what I’ve jotted down
so far as I work through the module. I’m
only about halfway through, and I’m not
sure which of these are actual issues or a
matter of misreading things on my part,
i.e. operator error.
NOTE: The following possible
errors were encountered while working
through your Outlook training, while using
Outlook version 16.0.14326.20216.
A general comment: Lists,
like the table of contents, are not
formatted correctly in the epub version,
at least when read using QRead 3.21 for
Windows. Could these be put one item per
line, or even turned into hyperlinks, if
the EPUB format supports it?
2.4 Sending Email: Duplicate
sentence.
“After writing and double
checking a message, press alt+s to send
it. Once sent, the message cannot be
cancelled. After writing and double
checking a message, it is ready to be
sent. To send a message, press alt+s. Once
a message has been sent, it can generally
not be recalled.”
2.7 Reading Messages
You repeat yourself in the
paragraph about message sorting.
“The
default message order is to have the
newest at the top and the oldest at the
bottom. To reverse this sort order, press
alt+v, then r, then s. The sort order can
also be changed to another field. Sort by
subject to have messages sorted by their
subject line, alphabetically. Messages can
also be sorted by sender, recipient, and
many other fields. Press alt+v, then a,
then b to choose the field messages are
arranged by. This opens a menu where the
field to sort by can be chosen. If
desired, reverse the sort order with
alt+v, then r, then s.”
3.6 Using BCC
“Press
alt+p to open the Options ribbon, then b
to activate the BCC option.”
While editing a message ALT+P
does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B
doesn’t seem to do anything.
4.6 Recurring Appointments:
“When
editing an appointment, press alt+h, then
e to open the "Appointment Recurrence"
dialog.”
I get an error chime when I
press the E in that key sequence.
4.8 Using Multiple Calendars:
“To add a
new calendar, press alt+h, then o, then
c.”
I can’t get that to work.
I hope to get through the
rest of the module today.
Chris
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support
Manager
--
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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I currently use Windows OneCor Voices. I tested the SAPI 5 voice but the result was the same.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 15:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of ASCII codes Christo, what speech synth are you making use of? Ask that since, right now, testing this against NVDA 2021.2 beta, in notepad, for example, eSpeak, IBM-TTS, etc. etc. will all read out accented part of character name, but, windows one core voices don't at all - they just tell me the primary name of the letter? é ê ë - there's an example of 3 different accented versions of the letter E that 3 of the one core voices just spoke out as E E E, whereas eSpeak-ng, etc. tells me that they are E acute, E circumflex and E umlaut. HTH
Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2021-09-01 12:50 PM, Christo Vorster wrote: Hi Quentin Nothing happens. I tried it just now and it reads “e” but not, as earlier, “e acute”.
Regards
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 11:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of ASCII codes Hi Chris, Is it that pressing alt+130 is not working at all, or that NVDA is not reporting anything when you press it? I just tried now, and it inserts é into Word (365 at least), but NVDA did not report anything. I will write up an issue for that, but the é character definitely did get inserted. On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 6:28 PM Christo Vorster <cvklaviere@...> wrote: Hi Quentin I upgraded to NVDA 2021.1 and suddenly I find that I can no longer use the ASCII codes, as I used to do. I’m talking, eg, ALT+130 (to type Acute E, etc. I haven’t updated the version of Word I’m using, it still is Word 2016. Is there a remedy to rectify this problem, or any other way to create these codes? Regards Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)) From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error Hi Chris, Thanks for highlighting these! The good news (for me), the first one is where I must have rewritten the paragraph and then inadvertently left both copies in. The second was where I had simply repeated a sentence - and the rest are changes Microsoft have made to their ribbon structure. In each of those cases, the keystroke changing is caused by Microsoft moving the option into a submenu, so it it on the same ribbon but you need to add 0, then 0: To toggle the BCC field, press alt+p, 0, 0, b To add reccurance to a calendar event, with the event open, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, e. To add a new calendar, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0, a, o (as well as being in that 0 0 menu, it is in an "add / share" submenu as well, as is b" for new blank calendar). The recurrence change is the one I really disagree with - while you shouldn't need to add calendars too often, or toggle the BCC field, you often need to add or edit recurrance to a calender event. If anyone else feels the same way, the best I can suggest is petitioning Microsoft to make it easier to get to. I'll update the module in the shop, once I've edit it a bit more - and if you find any other issues through the remainder of the module, please do let me know! On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:55 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote: Hi. Here’s what I’ve jotted down so far as I work through the module. I’m only about halfway through, and I’m not sure which of these are actual issues or a matter of misreading things on my part, i.e. operator error. NOTE: The following possible errors were encountered while working through your Outlook training, while using Outlook version 16.0.14326.20216. A general comment: Lists, like the table of contents, are not formatted correctly in the epub version, at least when read using QRead 3.21 for Windows. Could these be put one item per line, or even turned into hyperlinks, if the EPUB format supports it? 2.4 Sending Email: Duplicate sentence. “After writing and double checking a message, press alt+s to send it. Once sent, the message cannot be cancelled. After writing and double checking a message, it is ready to be sent. To send a message, press alt+s. Once a message has been sent, it can generally not be recalled.” 2.7 Reading Messages You repeat yourself in the paragraph about message sorting. “The default message order is to have the newest at the top and the oldest at the bottom. To reverse this sort order, press alt+v, then r, then s. The sort order can also be changed to another field. Sort by subject to have messages sorted by their subject line, alphabetically. Messages can also be sorted by sender, recipient, and many other fields. Press alt+v, then a, then b to choose the field messages are arranged by. This opens a menu where the field to sort by can be chosen. If desired, reverse the sort order with alt+v, then r, then s.” 3.6 Using BCC “Press alt+p to open the Options ribbon, then b to activate the BCC option.” While editing a message ALT+P does indeed open the Options ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do anything. 4.6 Recurring Appointments: “When editing an appointment, press alt+h, then e to open the "Appointment Recurrence" dialog.” I get an error chime when I press the E in that key sequence. 4.8 Using Multiple Calendars: “To add a new calendar, press alt+h, then o, then c.” I can’t get that to work. I hope to get through the rest of the module today. Chris
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Try it with eSpeak - as in, seems like the issue might be with
all the MS engines, and, their interpretation of accented
characters, and, this is, in other words, not something that NVDA
could really fix, unless you tried adding spoken dictionary
entries, or something like that to have them read out differently?
For example, just added a whole word entry for just one of the
accented letters to the voice-specific dictionary for MS Mark, and
he just pronounced é as E acute?
Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
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On 2021-09-01 03:18 PM, Christo Vorster
wrote:
I
currently use Windows OneCor Voices. I tested the SAPI 5
voice but the result was the same.
Christo, what speech synth are you making use of?
Ask that since, right now, testing this against NVDA 2021.2
beta, in notepad, for example, eSpeak, IBM-TTS, etc. etc. will
all read out accented part of character name, but, windows one
core voices don't at all - they just tell me the primary name
of the letter?
é ê ë - there's an example of 3 different accented versions
of the letter E that 3 of the one core voices just spoke out
as E E E, whereas eSpeak-ng, etc. tells me that they are E
acute, E circumflex and E umlaut.
HTH
Jacob Kruger
+2782 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2021-09-01 12:50 PM, Christo Vorster
wrote:
Hi
Quentin
Nothing
happens. I tried it just now and it reads “e” but not, as
earlier, “e acute”.
Regards
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 11:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of ASCII codes
Hi Chris,
Is it that pressing alt+130 is not
working at all, or that NVDA is not reporting anything
when you press it? I just tried now, and it inserts é
into Word (365 at least), but NVDA did not report
anything. I will write up an issue for that, but the é
character definitely did get inserted.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 6:28 PM
Christo Vorster <cvklaviere@...>
wrote:
Hi
Quentin
I
upgraded to NVDA 2021.1 and suddenly I find that I
can no longer use the ASCII codes, as I used to
do. I’m talking, eg, ALT+130 (to type Acute E,
etc.
I
haven’t updated the version of Word I’m using, it
still is Word 2016.
Is
there a remedy to rectify this problem, or any
other way to create these codes?
Regards
Christo
Vorster (Worcester, South Africa))
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 01 September 2021 09:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook Training Error
Hi
Chris,
Thanks
for highlighting these! The good news (for
me), the first one is where I must have
rewritten the paragraph and then inadvertently
left both copies in. The second was where I
had simply repeated a sentence - and the rest
are changes Microsoft have made to their
ribbon structure.
In
each of those cases, the keystroke changing is
caused by Microsoft moving the option into a
submenu, so it it on the same ribbon but you
need to add 0, then 0:
To
toggle the BCC field, press alt+p, 0, 0, b
To
add reccurance to a calendar event, with the
event open, you now need to press alt+h, 0, 0,
e.
To
add a new calendar, you now need to press
alt+h, 0, 0, a, o (as well as being in that 0
0 menu, it is in an "add / share" submenu as
well, as is b" for new blank calendar).
The
recurrence change is the one I really disagree
with - while you shouldn't need to add
calendars too often, or toggle the BCC field,
you often need to add or edit recurrance to a
calender event. If anyone else feels the same
way, the best I can suggest is petitioning
Microsoft to make it easier to get to.
I'll
update the module in the shop, once I've edit
it a bit more - and if you find any other
issues through the remainder of the module,
please do let me know!
On
Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 11:55 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...>
wrote:
Hi.
Here’s what I’ve jotted
down so far as I work through the
module. I’m only about halfway through,
and I’m not sure which of these are
actual issues or a matter of misreading
things on my part, i.e. operator error.
NOTE: The following
possible errors were encountered while
working through your Outlook training,
while using Outlook version
16.0.14326.20216.
A general comment: Lists,
like the table of contents, are not
formatted correctly in the epub version,
at least when read using QRead 3.21 for
Windows. Could these be put one item per
line, or even turned into hyperlinks, if
the EPUB format supports it?
2.4 Sending Email:
Duplicate sentence.
“After writing and double
checking a message, press alt+s to send
it. Once sent, the message cannot be
cancelled. After writing and double
checking a message, it is ready to be
sent. To send a message, press alt+s.
Once a message has been sent, it can
generally not be recalled.”
2.7 Reading Messages
You repeat yourself in the
paragraph about message sorting.
“The
default message order is to have the
newest at the top and the oldest at the
bottom. To reverse this sort order,
press alt+v, then r, then s. The sort
order can also be changed to another
field. Sort by subject to have messages
sorted by their subject line,
alphabetically. Messages can also be
sorted by sender, recipient, and many
other fields. Press alt+v, then a, then
b to choose the field messages are
arranged by. This opens a menu where the
field to sort by can be chosen. If
desired, reverse the sort order with
alt+v, then r, then s.”
3.6 Using BCC
“Press
alt+p to open the Options ribbon, then b
to activate the BCC option.”
While editing a message
ALT+P does indeed open the Options
ribbon, but B doesn’t seem to do
anything.
4.6 Recurring Appointments:
“When
editing an appointment, press alt+h,
then e to open the "Appointment
Recurrence" dialog.”
I get an error chime when I
press the E in that key sequence.
4.8 Using Multiple
Calendars:
“To
add a new calendar, press alt+h, then o,
then c.”
I can’t get that to work.
I hope to get through the
rest of the module today.
Chris
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support
Manager
--
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Giles Turnbull
Hi all, I am puzzled, because I get an upper case E acute with ALT+0201, and a lower case one with ALT+0233. What I do notice that I hadn't noticed before, is that when I type those characters in Notepad and cursor up or down to them, NVDA just says "e" but if I use the left or right arrows to get to the character than NVDA will say "e acute", beeping for the capital version. When I try the ALT+130 code that others are talking about, I get a ""single low quote,"" which I assume is the German style of opening quote mark. This is the website that I use to remind myself of ALT codes for accented letters if I need them: http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes/accents-alt-codes.phpGiles
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Looks like there might be one or more issues here. If anyone would like to sit down and work out what is going on, please do feel free to write up an issue at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues
(I just can't promise I have enough time to investigate it fully today).
Hi all, I am puzzled, because I get an upper case E acute with ALT+0201, and a lower case one with ALT+0233. What I do notice that I hadn't noticed before, is that when I type those characters in Notepad and cursor up or down to them, NVDA just says "e" but if I use the left or right arrows to get to the character than NVDA will say "e acute", beeping for the capital version.
When I try the ALT+130 code that others are talking about, I get a ""single low quote,"" which I assume is the German style of opening quote mark.
This is the website that I use to remind myself of ALT codes for accented letters if I need them:
http://usefulshortcuts.com/alt-codes/accents-alt-codes.php
Giles
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