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Issues with number presentation and beeps
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Nancy Shackelford
Is there another setting regarding NVDA sounds such as the beeps for
progress or forms mode? They stayed in the Windows audio instead of my other headphones when I changed the output location of the synthesizer. Is there a place to set how numbers are spoken, such as getting the "and" out of the speech? Cannot find these in settings. Thanks, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Gene
There is no NVDA setting to do this. If it can be done, it is a
windows setting related to sounds being played through the soundcard you
like. These NVDA sounds are wave files and I don’t know if you can tell
windows to play wave sounds through a specific device. And that would
affect things such as wave files in general, if you listen to audio in the form
of wave files such as music you have digitized in the wave format and you will
hear Windows sounds through the same place as your synthesizer.
Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 9:15 PM
Subject: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and
beeps Is
there another setting regarding NVDA sounds such as the beeps for progress or forms mode? They stayed in the Windows audio instead of my other headphones when I changed the output location of the synthesizer. Is there a place to set how numbers are spoken, such as getting the "and" out of the speech? Cannot find these in settings. Thanks, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Nancy Shackelford
I was afraid of this... Now, what about my issues with the way numbers are spoken, as in my most recent message? Thanks again, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Gene
it’s the speech synthesizer that determines whether and is spoken.
NVDA doesn’t insert it.
Others may have the knowledge to discuss if there is a way to eliminate it
when a synthesizer inserts it by using a regular expression in the NVDA speech
dictionary.
Gene
From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and
beeps I was afraid of this... Now, what about my issues with the
way numbers are spoken, as in my most recent message?
Thanks again,
Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael
Reid-- |
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Gene
I had thought the NVDA speecch dictionary might solve this problem.
That may not be the case according to a very little bit of experimentation I’ve
done. You may have to use the speech dictionary in the synthesizer
itself.
Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and
beeps it’s the speech synthesizer that determines whether and is spoken.
NVDA doesn’t insert it.
Others may have the knowledge to discuss if there is a way to eliminate it
when a synthesizer inserts it by using a regular expression in the NVDA speech
dictionary.
Gene
From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and
beeps I was afraid of this... Now, what about my issues with the
way numbers are spoken, as in my most recent message?
Thanks again,
Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael
Reid-- |
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Gene
If you don’t mind using another synthesizer when you are listening to text
containing a lot of large numbers, the easiest thing to do would be to use a
different synthesizer for that time.
Eloquence doesn’t insert and. I don’t know what other synthesizers
don’t
Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and
beeps I had thought the NVDA speecch dictionary might solve this problem.
That may not be the case according to a very little bit of experimentation I’ve
done. You may have to use the speech dictionary in the synthesizer
itself.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 12:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and
beeps it’s the speech synthesizer that determines whether and is spoken.
NVDA doesn’t insert it.
Others may have the knowledge to discuss if there is a way to eliminate it
when a synthesizer inserts it by using a regular expression in the NVDA speech
dictionary.
Gene
From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and
beeps I was afraid of this... Now, what about my issues with the
way numbers are spoken, as in my most recent message?
Thanks again,
Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael
Reid-- |
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Nancy Shackelford
Okay, I was wondering about this as well. Thanks, Nance Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Chris Mullins
Hi Nancy You can set NVDA to speak the mode instead of using audio queues when it is changed. Uncheck “Audio indication of Browse modes” in the Browsing settings dialog (NVDA+Control+b). There are also various options for progress bar feedback available in the Object Settings dialog (NVDA+Control+o). Unless there is an addon for number processing I don’t know of any NVDA setting to alter how numbers are spoken.
Cheers Chris Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: 17 September 2021 03:15 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and beeps
Is there another setting regarding NVDA sounds such as the beeps for progress or forms mode? They stayed in the Windows audio instead of my other headphones when I changed the output location of the synthesizer. Is there a place to set how numbers are spoken, such as getting the "and" out of the speech? Cannot find these in settings. Thanks, Nance
-- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Rui Fontes
Please, can you remember what is the problem with numbers and the
synth in use? Rui Fontes
Às 09:06 de 17/09/2021, Nancy
Shackelford escreveu:
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Nancy Shackelford
Rui Fontes said,
"Please, can you remember what is the problem with numbers and the synth in use?" The problem with the numbers is that it puts the word "and" in the numbers, such as "six hundred and sixty five." Thanks, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Gene
You might get help working with the specific synthesizer if you say which
one you are using. This may require some sort of change in the synthesizer
functioning itself, such as working with the dictionary for that synthesizer or
changing some setting somehow in the synthesizer settings, not any part of
NVDA.
Gene
-----Original Message[----- From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and
beeps Rui
Fontes said, "Please, can you remember what is the problem with numbers and the synth in use?" The problem with the numbers is that it puts the word "and" in the numbers, such as "six hundred and sixty five." Thanks, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Nancy Shackelford
I'm getting the picture now, and the synthesizer is Microsoft Speech
API version 5. Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Rui Fontes
And do you want it to say:
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six six five? Rui Fontes Às 13:19 de 17/09/2021, Nancy Shackelford escreveu: Rui Fontes said, |
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Nancy Shackelford
Rui said: And do you want it to say: six six five?
6 6 5 or 6 hundred 65, just without the and. Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Rui Fontes
6 6 5 is possible with an add-on:
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https://nvda.es/files/get.php?file=numberprocessing Rui Fontes Às 14:54 de 17/09/2021, Nancy Shackelford escreveu: Rui said: And do you want it to say: six six five? |
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Nancy Shackelford
I would, but my choices are quite limited, and I definitely can't
understand even the English voice for E speak, so I'll figure something out. Was trying to wait till the 3rd to get the 95-dollar Elloquence. Think I'll take Chris's suggestion to address the sounds problem and to be better able to tell when it's in which mode by setting it to use speech for this. Thanks, Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Gene
Regarding Eloquence, I would say to try the demo if you plan to buy
it. It would be a good idea to make sure numbers are read as you wish and
that the product performs in general as you wish. It probably will but its
best to make sure. I expect you would do this. I’m just
stating it so I’ve made the suggestion and I won’t feel as though I’ve left
something out.
Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Shackelford
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2021 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with number presentation and
beeps I'm
getting the picture now, and the synthesizer is Microsoft Speech API version 5. Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- |
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Nancy,
Can you give some specific examples of various numbers and how you would like for each to be read? As others have noted, how numbers get read is very much dependent on the synthesizer in use. But, you can also play a lot of useful tricks with the dictionary (or dictionaries) on an as-needed basis for some constrained set of numbers (as in if it's no greater than ten thousand) with regular expressions that would allow you to parse a given number that is two through five digits into its component digits when reading it. It's just impossible to do for something "of unknown, generic length." There would also be the issue of whether you want the same for numbers with decimal points, which is another thing that can be done. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Curtis Delzer
nance, write to me privately I've a solution for ya.
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On 9/17/2021 7:52 AM, Nancy Shackelford wrote:
I would, but my choices are quite limited, and I definitely can't --
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