Anyone else using Code Factory's Eloquence and Vocalizer getting
abbreviations incorrectly being processed? For example, look at the
text below.

The original says: Line 6 Marketplace
But Code Factory's Eloquence translates this as: Line March 6th ketplace

Is there a way to delete these dictionary definitions so I just get it
the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.

I’d be interested if others have this problem.  It is so odd that it may be caused by something that isn’t a general problem.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 11:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

 

Have you checked your own NVDA dictionaries?   This one is so bizarre that it seems almost impossible for it to be the synth.

But if it is the synth, trying to work around it with dictionary entries would be a stopgap measure.  The synth maker should be notified, as there is no conceivable world where the line you give as original should be rendered in speech as you report.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 

Hello Clement,

I also get the same result using Eloquence from Kurzweil. This has been true for me for the past year or so with NVDA. I haven't a way to cure the problem. Hopefully someone here will have some ideas. Thanks for posting.

Dennis




On 10/10/2021 7:25 AM, Clement Chou wrote:

Anyone else using Code Factory's Eloquence and Vocalizer getting
abbreviations incorrectly being processed? For example, look at the
text below.

The original says: Line 6 Marketplace
But Code Factory's Eloquence translates this as: Line March 6th ketplace

Is there a way to delete these dictionary definitions so I just get it
the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.

Hello Clement,

I also get the same result using Eloquence from Kurzweil. This has
been true for me for the past year or so with NVDA. I haven't a way to
cure the problem. Hopefully someone here will have some ideas. Thanks
for posting.

Dennis




On 10/10/2021 7:25 AM, Clement Chou wrote:

Anyone else using Code Factory's Eloquence and Vocalizer getting
abbreviations incorrectly being processed? For example, look at the
text below.

The original says: Line 6 Marketplace But Code Factory's Eloquence
translates this as: Line March 6th ketplace

Is there a way to delete these dictionary definitions so I just get
it the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.

Gene,

Then that pretty conclusively proves it's a synth bug, and the folks that make that synth should fix it.  I can't think of a single instance, ever, where a month abbreviation does not get separated from the following text by white space (even when a period is used).

Great detective work.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 05:28 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Now, to see if they really  care.

-
And they very well may not.  But, as I've said many times about many pieces of software:  They can't fix what has never been identified (or stumbled upon by them - which is a form of identification) as a problem.

And, sometimes, even if "they" care, quite a bit, fix time frames are directly dependent on both the complexity of the work required and where a given fix falls in their hierarchy of work for both new features and fixes.  Some stuff that's really simple to fix is done very quickly while some stuff that appears to be very simple to fix really isn't, or there are tons of higher priority issues/new features.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

Has anyone contacted them about this? If so what was their response if any?





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?



On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 05:28 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Now, to see if they really care.

-
And they very well may not. But, as I've said many times about many pieces
of software: They can't fix what has never been identified (or stumbled
upon by them - which is a form of identification) as a problem.

And, sometimes, even if "they" care, quite a bit, fix time frames are
directly dependent on both the complexity of the work required and where a
given fix falls in their hierarchy of work for both new features and fixes.
Some stuff that's really simple to fix is done very quickly while some stuff
that appears to be very simple to fix really isn't, or there are tons of
higher priority issues/new features.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

~ John F. Kennedy

Pretty sure I haven't been the first one to experience this, so others
probably have. I will contact them as well, just in case, but I'm not
holding my breath. It's ironic how alternative versions of Eloquence
don't have this issue. Thanks for the detective work Jean. I'm not
surprised that it's a problem with this version of eloquence..
codefactory makes a lot of assumptions about how people want things
read. lol

On 10/10/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Has anyone contacted them about this? If so what was their response if
any?





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?



On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 05:28 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Now, to see if they really care.

-
And they very well may not. But, as I've said many times about many
pieces
of software: They can't fix what has never been identified (or stumbled
upon by them - which is a form of identification) as a problem.

And, sometimes, even if "they" care, quite a bit, fix time frames are
directly dependent on both the complexity of the work required and where
a
given fix falls in their hierarchy of work for both new features and
fixes.
Some stuff that's really simple to fix is done very quickly while some
stuff
that appears to be very simple to fix really isn't, or there are tons of
higher priority issues/new features.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

~ John F. Kennedy

It isn’t code fac gtory and I dubt the behavior of other synthesizers is due
to Code Factory or largely not. As I said, the problem occurs in Openbook,
which uses Eloquence. I tested with a very old version of JAWS and the
problem doesn’t exist there. I almost never use JAWS so I havedn’t kept it
current. But my test raises the question of whether the behavior occurs in
currengt JAWS versions. In other wordss, was it introduced into Eloquence
in a later version or has JAWS compensated for the behavior.

Whatever the case, you might as well let Code Factory know. You may want to
write to whomever owns Eloquence now but it is such old software that I
doubt igt is bbeing further developed or corrected.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Clement Chou
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?

Pretty sure I haven't been the first one to experience this, so others
probably have. I will contact them as well, just in case, but I'm not
holding my breath. It's ironic how alternative versions of Eloquence
don't have this issue. Thanks for the detective work Jean. I'm not
surprised that it's a problem with this version of eloquence..
codefactory makes a lot of assumptions about how people want things
read. lol

On 10/10/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Has anyone contacted them about this? If so what was their response if
any?





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird Abbreviation Processing Mid-word?



On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 05:28 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Now, to see if they really care.

-
And they very well may not. But, as I've said many times about many
pieces
of software: They can't fix what has never been identified (or stumbled
upon by them - which is a form of identification) as a problem.

And, sometimes, even if "they" care, quite a bit, fix time frames are
directly dependent on both the complexity of the work required and where
a
given fix falls in their hierarchy of work for both new features and
fixes.
Some stuff that's really simple to fix is done very quickly while some
stuff
that appears to be very simple to fix really isn't, or there are tons of
higher priority issues/new features.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

~ John F. Kennedy

Anyone else using Code Factory's Eloquence and Vocalizer getting
abbreviations incorrectly being processed? For example, look at the
text below.

The original says: Line 6 Marketplace
But Code Factory's Eloquence translates this as: Line March 6th ketplace

Is there a way to delete these dictionary definitions so I just get it
the way it's supposed to be? Thanks.