nvda lagging
Marisane Moruthanyana
Good day mvda gurus
I hope you are well. I am trying to cope. I have a weird issue with nvda. I am using nvda 2021.1. It keeps on stopping. This stopping or lagging has been with me for sometime now. What could be the cause? It happens when I am reading through a document or typing. It also freezes easily these days. What is going on? Please assist. Wally SA
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Robert Portal
Dear Wally,
I have the same issue with NVDA 2021.2 - you said you had 2021.1 installed. When reading a long document in Word 2007 with Say All the reading is fine for 5 to 7 minutes and then it stops, almost always on a full-stop. At this point NVDA is unresponsive - it takes a minute or so to get it working again. This is a problem because I regularly record the computer's reading of texts which may take up to two hours to read. Previously I could leave it until the reading was finished, now I have to follow it to re-start it when it stops, wasting hours of time. I've tried different eloquence and Vocaliser voices, closing all windows except for that of the document to be read, turning off the option for Word to save the document every x number of minutes. I've also tried uninstalling and re-installing NVDA, all to no avail. I had assumed it was probably something specific to my system and so I was interested to find someone else with a similar problem. I too, would be interested in any suggestions people might have. Best wishes Robert Portal -----Messaggio originale----- Da: nvda@nvda.groups.io Per conto di Marisane Moruthanyana Inviato: mardi 12 octobre 2021 10:50 A: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Oggetto: [nvda] nvda lagging Good day mvda gurus I hope you are well. I am trying to cope. I have a weird issue with nvda. I am using nvda 2021.1. It keeps on stopping. This stopping or lagging has been with me for sometime now. What could be the cause? It happens when I am reading through a document or typing. It also freezes easily these days. What is going on? Please assist. Wally SA
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Marisane Moruthanyana
Hi Robert
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You are quite right, it is confusing. The worse of it, with me, it even lags in Windows explorer. It needs to be attended to as urgently as possible. Wally
On 10/12/21, Robert Portal <portalrm56@...> wrote:
Dear Wally,
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Has anyone reported this on github? I would check there and comment with machine specs, logs etc.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marisane Moruthanyana Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 9:06 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging Hi Robert You are quite right, it is confusing. The worse of it, with me, it even lags in Windows explorer. It needs to be attended to as urgently as possible. Wally On 10/12/21, Robert Portal <portalrm56@...> wrote: Dear Wally,
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cisco
Hello there,
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Try enabling draft view in word. If you're just reading a document, that might help. Best regards. Francisco.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Portal Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 5:59 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging Dear Wally, I have the same issue with NVDA 2021.2 - you said you had 2021.1 installed. When reading a long document in Word 2007 with Say All the reading is fine for 5 to 7 minutes and then it stops, almost always on a full-stop. At this point NVDA is unresponsive - it takes a minute or so to get it working again. This is a problem because I regularly record the computer's reading of texts which may take up to two hours to read. Previously I could leave it until the reading was finished, now I have to follow it to re-start it when it stops, wasting hours of time. I've tried different eloquence and Vocaliser voices, closing all windows except for that of the document to be read, turning off the option for Word to save the document every x number of minutes. I've also tried uninstalling and re-installing NVDA, all to no avail. I had assumed it was probably something specific to my system and so I was interested to find someone else with a similar problem. I too, would be interested in any suggestions people might have. Best wishes Robert Portal -----Messaggio originale----- Da: nvda@nvda.groups.io Per conto di Marisane Moruthanyana Inviato: mardi 12 octobre 2021 10:50 A: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Oggetto: [nvda] nvda lagging Good day mvda gurus I hope you are well. I am trying to cope. I have a weird issue with nvda. I am using nvda 2021.1. It keeps on stopping. This stopping or lagging has been with me for sometime now. What could be the cause? It happens when I am reading through a document or typing. It also freezes easily these days. What is going on? Please assist. Wally SA
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Gene
Why not use Wordpad? It should be able to read the word document you
are having read and you probably won’t have the stopping problem. If you
do, converting the document to a text file and having it read in Notepad should
solve the problem. It sounds as though there may be some sort of buffer
overflow problem, based on the behavior being described but that’s just a guess
and may not be correct.
Gene
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Dear
Wally, I have the same issue with NVDA 2021.2 - you said you had 2021.1 installed. When reading a long document in Word 2007 with Say All the reading is fine for 5 to 7 minutes and then it stops, almost always on a full-stop. At this point NVDA is unresponsive - it takes a minute or so to get it working again. This is a problem because I regularly record the computer's reading of texts which may take up to two hours to read. Previously I could leave it until the reading was finished, now I have to follow it to re-start it when it stops, wasting hours of time. I've tried different eloquence and Vocaliser voices, closing all windows except for that of the document to be read, turning off the option for Word to save the document every x number of minutes. I've also tried uninstalling and re-installing NVDA, all to no avail. I had assumed it was probably something specific to my system and so I was interested to find someone else with a similar problem. I too, would be interested in any suggestions people might have. Best wishes Robert Portal -----Messaggio originale----- Da: nvda@nvda.groups.io Per conto di Marisane Moruthanyana Inviato: mardi 12 octobre 2021 10:50 A: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Oggetto: [nvda] nvda lagging Good day mvda gurus I hope you are well. I am trying to cope. I have a weird issue with nvda. I am using nvda 2021.1. It keeps on stopping. This stopping or lagging has been with me for sometime now. What could be the cause? It happens when I am reading through a document or typing. It also freezes easily these days. What is going on? Please assist. Wally SA
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Gene
If you hold control and move up and down the list in Windows Explorer, now
called File Explorer, you won’t have the lag problem. Once you get to the
file or folder you want, stop, then up and down arrow back to it so it and only
it will be selected.
Gene
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From: Marisane Moruthanyana
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging Hi
Robert You are quite right, it is confusing. The worse of it, with me, it even lags in Windows explorer. It needs to be attended to as urgently as possible. Wally On 10/12/21, Robert Portal <portalrm56@...> wrote: > Dear Wally, > > I have the same issue with NVDA 2021.2 - you said you had 2021.1 installed. > When reading a long document in Word 2007 with Say All the reading is fine > for 5 to 7 minutes and then it stops, almost always on a full-stop. At this > point NVDA is unresponsive - it takes a minute or so to get it working > again. > This is a problem because I regularly record the computer's reading of texts > which may take up to two hours to read. Previously I could leave it until > the reading was finished, now I have to follow it to re-start it when it > stops, wasting hours of time. > > I've tried different eloquence and Vocaliser voices, closing all windows > except for that of the document to be read, turning off the option for Word > to save the document every x number of minutes. I've also tried uninstalling > and re-installing NVDA, all to no avail. > I had assumed it was probably something specific to my system and so I was > interested to find someone else with a similar problem. > > I too, would be interested in any suggestions people might have. > > Best wishes > > Robert Portal > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: nvda@nvda.groups.io Per conto di Marisane Moruthanyana > Inviato: mardi 12 octobre 2021 10:50 > A: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Oggetto: [nvda] nvda lagging > > Good day mvda gurus > > I hope you are well. > > I am trying to cope. > > I have a weird issue with nvda. > > I am using nvda 2021.1. > > It keeps on stopping. > > This stopping or lagging has been with me for sometime now. > > What could be the cause? > > It happens when I am reading through a document or typing. > > It also freezes easily these days. > > What is going on? > > Please assist. > > Wally SA > > > > > > > > > > > >
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cisco
Hello there,
Yes, what you suggest is a good idea, though if there are headings, links, and such, would WordPad be able to detect them?
I’m not saying that the document in question contains such things, I’m just asking, because my books do, and I’m curious to see if WordPad could read them fine, though I have no problem whatsoever with word 365. Best regards. Francisco.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 8:08 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
If you hold control and move up and down the list in Windows Explorer, now called File Explorer, you won’t have the lag problem. Once you get to the file or folder you want, stop, then up and down arrow back to it so it and only it will be selected.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Marisane Moruthanyana Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
Hi Robert
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Gene
I don’t think they will be announced when you come to them. There is
also no browse mode in Wordpad. My suggestion was specifically for reading
uninterruptedly. It sounds as though the person wants to be able to record
the screen-reader reading text, something I do off and on.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Hello there,
Yes, what you suggest is a good idea, though if there are headings, links, and such, would WordPad be able to detect them?
I’m not saying that the document in question contains such things, I’m just asking, because my books do, and I’m curious to see if WordPad could read them fine, though I have no problem whatsoever with word 365. Best regards. Francisco.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
If you hold control and move up and down the list in Windows Explorer, now called File Explorer, you won’t have the lag problem. Once you get to the file or folder you want, stop, then up and down arrow back to it so it and only it will be selected.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Marisane Moruthanyana Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
Hi Robert
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cisco
Hello there,
I understand now, I’m sorry I didn’t before. What you say about recording is quite interesting, I never find myself doing it, though it might be a good practice. Best regards. Francisco.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 8:22 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
I don’t think they will be announced when you come to them. There is also no browse mode in Wordpad. My suggestion was specifically for reading uninterruptedly. It sounds as though the person wants to be able to record the screen-reader reading text, something I do off and on.
Gene -----Original Message-----
Hello there,
Yes, what you suggest is a good idea, though if there are headings, links, and such, would WordPad be able to detect them?
I’m not saying that the document in question contains such things, I’m just asking, because my books do, and I’m curious to see if WordPad could read them fine, though I have no problem whatsoever with word 365. Best regards. Francisco.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
If you hold control and move up and down the list in Windows Explorer, now called File Explorer, you won’t have the lag problem. Once you get to the file or folder you want, stop, then up and down arrow back to it so it and only it will be selected.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Marisane Moruthanyana Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
Hi Robert
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Gene
I haven’t used them except the one in Openbook, but there are utilities
that will convert documents to audio files. The Openbook one pauses too
long after periods and since my screenreader isn’t being used, the speech
dictionary isn’t available to correct mispronunciations. So even though I
could use the utility in Openbook, I don’t.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Hello there,
I understand now, I’m sorry I didn’t before. What you say about recording is quite interesting, I never find myself doing it, though it might be a good practice. Best regards. Francisco.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
I don’t think they will be announced when you come to them. There is also no browse mode in Wordpad. My suggestion was specifically for reading uninterruptedly. It sounds as though the person wants to be able to record the screen-reader reading text, something I do off and on.
Gene -----Original Message-----
Hello there,
Yes, what you suggest is a good idea, though if there are headings, links, and such, would WordPad be able to detect them?
I’m not saying that the document in question contains such things, I’m just asking, because my books do, and I’m curious to see if WordPad could read them fine, though I have no problem whatsoever with word 365. Best regards. Francisco.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
If you hold control and move up and down the list in Windows Explorer, now called File Explorer, you won’t have the lag problem. Once you get to the file or folder you want, stop, then up and down arrow back to it so it and only it will be selected.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Marisane Moruthanyana Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
Hi Robert
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Shawn
I’ve always had this problem with Windows Mail in Windows 10 with any long emails at all, and sometimes with short ones from certain senders, likely with lots of graphics like the ones I get from our farmer’s market, and adds I get from Walmart, it will read a couple lines, stop for a literally several seconds to a minute or even 2, read a couple more lines, rince, repeat until I got tired of it and copied and pasted into notepad to read it there. With emails from a question and answer site called Quora, I used to have to wait several minutes and play tricks trying to click in the message with the mouse cursor to get NVDA to unfreeze and let me navigate in the email, it would freeze on those as soon as I opened them, I would restart NVDA several times, hurry up and alt+tab to the window, and click something before it froze, keep doing that until I could navigate normally, but lately Quora must have changed something in the document because the emails come up right away with no problem now and I can open the page I want with my Quora digest. Shawn Klein Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2021 1:03 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
Why not use Wordpad? It should be able to read the word document you are having read and you probably won’t have the stopping problem. If you do, converting the document to a text file and having it read in Notepad should solve the problem. It sounds as though there may be some sort of buffer overflow problem, based on the behavior being described but that’s just a guess and may not be correct.
Gene -----OOriginal Message-----
Dear Wally,
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Arlene
Confirmed! Its not only NVDA. I find this with Jaws as well. Sometimes if I use one or the other. They stop talking in the middle of a message.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Shawn via groups.io
Sent: October 12, 2021 11:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
I’ve always had this problem with Windows Mail in Windows 10 with any long emails at all, and sometimes with short ones from certain senders, likely with lots of graphics like the ones I get from our farmer’s market, and adds I get from Walmart, it will read a couple lines, stop for a literally several seconds to a minute or even 2, read a couple more lines, rince, repeat until I got tired of it and copied and pasted into notepad to read it there. With emails from a question and answer site called Quora, I used to have to wait several minutes and play tricks trying to click in the message with the mouse cursor to get NVDA to unfreeze and let me navigate in the email, it would freeze on those as soon as I opened them, I would restart NVDA several times, hurry up and alt+tab to the window, and click something before it froze, keep doing that until I could navigate normally, but lately Quora must have changed something in the document because the emails come up right away with no problem now and I can open the page I want with my Quora digest. Shawn Klein Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
Why not use Wordpad? It should be able to read the word document you are having read and you probably won’t have the stopping problem. If you do, converting the document to a text file and having it read in Notepad should solve the problem. It sounds as though there may be some sort of buffer overflow problem, based on the behavior being described but that’s just a guess and may not be correct.
Gene -----OOriginal Message-----
Dear Wally,
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Arlene
I forgot to tell you I too use windows ten mail and I find NVDA or Jaws lags while reading mail messages.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: October 12, 2021 12:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
Confirmed! Its not only NVDA. I find this with Jaws as well. Sometimes if I use one or the other. They stop talking in the middle of a message.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Shawn via groups.io
I’ve always had this problem with Windows Mail in Windows 10 with any long emails at all, and sometimes with short ones from certain senders, likely with lots of graphics like the ones I get from our farmer’s market, and adds I get from Walmart, it will read a couple lines, stop for a literally several seconds to a minute or even 2, read a couple more lines, rince, repeat until I got tired of it and copied and pasted into notepad to read it there. With emails from a question and answer site called Quora, I used to have to wait several minutes and play tricks trying to click in the message with the mouse cursor to get NVDA to unfreeze and let me navigate in the email, it would freeze on those as soon as I opened them, I would restart NVDA several times, hurry up and alt+tab to the window, and click something before it froze, keep doing that until I could navigate normally, but lately Quora must have changed something in the document because the emails come up right away with no problem now and I can open the page I want with my Quora digest. Shawn Klein Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
Why not use Wordpad? It should be able to read the word document you are having read and you probably won’t have the stopping problem. If you do, converting the document to a text file and having it read in Notepad should solve the problem. It sounds as though there may be some sort of buffer overflow problem, based on the behavior being described but that’s just a guess and may not be correct.
Gene -----OOriginal Message-----
Dear Wally,
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Robert Portal
Wally,
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I was interested you seemed to be having similar problems to mine but they are clearly not identical. I still think, for me at least, they are most likely to be connected with my system. I forgot to say in the first message that I use Word 2007 with Windows 10, all updates included. I rarely have problems with NVDA disappearing while I type and Windows Explorer behaves as it should for me. Best wishes Robert Portal -----Messaggio originale----- Da: nvda@nvda.groups.io Per conto di Marisane Moruthanyana Inviato: mardi 12 octobre 2021 18:06 A: nvda@nvda.groups.io Oggetto: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging Hi Robert You are quite right, it is confusing. The worse of it, with me, it even lags in Windows explorer. It needs to be attended to as urgently as possible. Wally
On 10/12/21, Robert Portal <portalrm56@...> wrote:
Dear Wally,
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Arlene
Oh, it could be your system. How old is it? Mine is over 2 years old. I’m noticing it slowing down. I think word 2007 is old. I never thought about the computer itself.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Robert Portal
Sent: October 12, 2021 12:44 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
Wally,
I was interested you seemed to be having similar problems to mine but they are clearly not identical. I still think, for me at least, they are most likely to be connected with my system.
I forgot to say in the first message that I use Word 2007 with Windows 10, all updates included. I rarely have problems with NVDA disappearing while I type and Windows Explorer behaves as it should for me.
Best wishes
Robert Portal
-----Messaggio originale----- Da: nvda@nvda.groups.io Per conto di Marisane Moruthanyana Inviato: mardi 12 octobre 2021 18:06 A: nvda@nvda.groups.io Oggetto: Re: [nvda] nvda lagging
Hi Robert
You are quite right, it is confusing.
The worse of it, with me, it even lags in Windows explorer.
It needs to be attended to as urgently as possible.
Wally
On 10/12/21, Robert Portal <portalrm56@...> wrote: > Dear Wally, > > I have the same issue with NVDA 2021.2 - you said you had 2021.1 installed. > When reading a long document in Word 2007 with Say All the reading is > fine for 5 to 7 minutes and then it stops, almost always on a > full-stop. At this point NVDA is unresponsive - it takes a minute or > so to get it working again. > This is a problem because I regularly record the computer's reading of > texts which may take up to two hours to read. Previously I could leave > it until the reading was finished, now I have to follow it to re-start > it when it stops, wasting hours of time. > > I've tried different eloquence and Vocaliser voices, closing all > windows except for that of the document to be read, turning off the > option for Word to save the document every x number of minutes. I've > also tried uninstalling and re-installing NVDA, all to no avail. > I had assumed it was probably something specific to my system and so I > was interested to find someone else with a similar problem. > > I too, would be interested in any suggestions people might have. > > Best wishes > > Robert Portal > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: nvda@nvda.groups.io Per conto di Marisane Moruthanyana > Inviato: mardi 12 octobre 2021 10:50 > A: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Oggetto: [nvda] nvda lagging > > Good day mvda gurus > > I hope you are well. > > I am trying to cope. > > I have a weird issue with nvda. > > I am using nvda 2021.1. > > It keeps on stopping. > > This stopping or lagging has been with me for sometime now. > > What could be the cause? > > It happens when I am reading through a document or typing. > > It also freezes easily these days. > > What is going on? > > Please assist. > > Wally SA > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Quentin Christensen
For anyone having these issues, Brian has some good sheets on bug reporting, but in general, what really helps track things like this down is: - Details about your system, especially the version / build of Windows, Office (or other involved program) and NVDA. Please don't say "the latest version". There are many reasons why the "latest version" you have (particularly of Windows or Office) might be different to the "latest version" I can get. - Steps to reproduce. If you can tell me, 1. Press this, 2. Do that, 3. Press this other keystroke, and I can replicate it, we should be able to get everything else we need (but details of program versions are still useful as that way we can ascertain if something ONLY affects one version of a program or multiple). - If you can, your NVDA log, and ideally if you can set it to debug level, restart NVDA with add-ons disabled, reproduce the issue, THEN get the log and send it to us. Happy to elaborate on any of those steps as needed. Kind regards Quentin.
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Hello Quentin ....
I am very much overhwelmed by these group messages .... It is not for me, as of yet .... How do i get out of receiving them as of now ..... Thx....
I must mention that you are very very good in supporting your clients ... I can see how much interest (and pain) you take in responding to your clients needs .... My hats off to you !!!
Ashish
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tim
You do know that is a problem? You shouldn't have to use the control key to move in that view. Also so far its not a problem for all.
On 10/12/2021 2:07 PM, Gene wrote:
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