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bering.p #89292 Hi. I would like your opinion on what I see. I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings. When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command. But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key. I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases. What do you think about it? Thank you. Best regards. Paul.
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Gene #89294 I don’t have an opinion. The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people. I never use the command because it is so intrusive. Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands. If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important. Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on? Gene toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: bering.p Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM To: nvda courrier Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option Hi. I would like your opinion on what I see. I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings. When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command. But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key. I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases. What do you think about it? Thank you. Best regards. Paul.
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David Goldfield #89295 I thought you didn’t have an opinion. It sounds like you have pretty strong opinions about this to me. David Goldfield Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.info toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Nov 3, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: I don’t have an opinion. The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people. I never use the command because it is so intrusive. Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands. If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important. Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on? Gene -----Original Message----- From: bering.p Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM To: nvda courrier Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option Hi. I would like your opinion on what I see. I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings. When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command. But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key. I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases. What do you think about it? Thank you. Best regards. Paul.
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Gene #89296 I have an opinion about why I don’t consider the feature useful to me. I don’t have an opinion about the question asked nor do I assume how other people use the feature and what they may think of it, though I suspect some people don’t use it because of excessive verbosithy so that is an opinion. I didn’t clearly say that I don’t have an opinion about the question asked. Gene toggle quoted messageShow quoted text ------Original Message----- From: David Goldfield Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 11:53 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option I thought you didn’t have an opinion. It sounds like you have pretty strong opinions about this to me. David Goldfield Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web site WWW.DavidGoldfield.info On Nov 3, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: I don’t have an opinion. The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people. I never use the command because it is so intrusive. Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands. If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important. Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on? Gene -----Original Message----- From: bering.p Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM To: nvda courrier Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option Hi. I would like your opinion on what I see. I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings. When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command. But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key. I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases. What do you think about it? Thank you. Best regards. Paul.
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bering.p #89297 Hello. Thank you for your answer. But I struggled to ask my question. I just wanted to know if you are seeing the same problem regardless of whether it is deemed useful or not. For information, I am the author of an add-on which allows selective announcement of command keys and which makes the basic function of NVDA less verbose. Best regards. paul. Paul. Le 03/11/2021 17:27, Gene a écrit : toggle quoted messageShow quoted text I don’t have an opinion. The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people. I never use the command because it is so intrusive. Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands. If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important. Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on? Gene -----Original Message----- From: bering.p Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM To: nvda courrier Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option Hi. I would like your opinion on what I see. I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings. When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command. But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key. I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases. What do you think about it? Thank you. Best regards. Paul.
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Gene #89298 Yes, the same thing happens here. Gene toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: bering.p Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 12:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option Hello. Thank you for your answer. But I struggled to ask my question. I just wanted to know if you are seeing the same problem regardless of whether it is deemed useful or not. For information, I am the author of an add-on which allows selective announcement of command keys and which makes the basic function of NVDA less verbose. Best regards. paul. Paul. Le 03/11/2021 17:27, Gene a écrit : I don’t have an opinion. The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people. I never use the command because it is so intrusive. Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands. If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important. Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on? Gene -----Original Message----- From: bering.p Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM To: nvda courrier Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option Hi. I would like your opinion on what I see. I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings. When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command. But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key. I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases. What do you think about it? Thank you. Best regards. Paul.
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Daniel Gartmann <dgartmann@...> #89299 Yes. I agree with you, Paul. Daniel
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Arlene #89300 It doesn’t matter to me. I say that’s good for people who are new to NVDA. Or newly blind. I just get used to hearing it and just go about my day and ignore it. Lol Sent from Mail for Windows toggle quoted messageShow quoted text From: Gene Sent: November 3, 2021 9:27 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option I don’t have an opinion. The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people. I never use the command because it is so intrusive. Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands. If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important. Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on? Gene -----Original Message----- From: bering.p Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM To: nvda courrier Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option Hi. I would like your opinion on what I see. I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings. When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command. But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key. I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases. What do you think about it? Thank you. Best regards. Paul.
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