NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
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Gtt North Bay
Hi folks, I am new here and well last night I installed 2021.2 on my new to me laptop and this morning I went to help to check for updates and got an error note. Is this a problem with the point 2 or me as my desktop doesn’t have that error.
Thanks, Brian B.
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You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.
I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly. But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Gtt North Bay
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Arlene
That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not a good idea. If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it. That way you can better test for bugs. Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.
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From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Arlene
The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs. I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.
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From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not a good idea. If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it. That way you can better test for bugs. Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.
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From: Gtt North Bay
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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I've always done "install over" installs with NVDA. Every once in a very great while I might uninstall NVDA entirely, then reinstall, but that's very, very seldom.
I've never had an issue with install over installs with betas, and they are supposed to act exactly like the release candidate and actual releases do in terms of install behavior, and those always do their own install over updates. Normally I wouldn't suggest installing a beta version as your "daily driver," but this is an exception. It seems that the 2021.3beta2 has been quite unproblematic and it's the quickest way to solve the issue you're having and the solution will still be in place were you to reinstall 2021.2. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Roger Stewart
I can confirm it is a problem on the
site. I'm shown that an update to SPL add on is available but if
I try to download it just errors out with no reason why given. I
then tried going to the regular site for getting add ons and I got
a different kind of error but still with no reason why. It did say
they track these errors on their end so hopefully the problem will
get fixed soon. I'm also using NVDA version 21.2 stable version.
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Roger
On 11/27/2021 1:16 PM, Gtt North Bay
wrote:
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Bobby <vinton.bobby@...>
Just to let you all know I remember Debbie Scales very well. I
loved her nvda lists how ever I am very sad she passed away.
On 11/27/2021 3:17 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Rosemarie Chavarria
I remember the jaws list tat she had. She was very helpful too. I think the name of her list was jaws lite or something like that. I wasn’t using NVDA yet.
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From: Bobby
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 1:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Just to let you all know I remember Debbie Scales very well. I loved her nvda lists how ever I am very sad she passed away. On 11/27/2021 3:17 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Gene
I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable
version and have it copy the current user configuration. That way, if you
want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can
uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable
version. As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I
believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and
install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons. I
realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new
versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to
revert.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for
updates The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs. I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.
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From: Arlene via groups.io
That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not a good idea. If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it. That way you can better test for bugs. Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.
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From: Gtt
North Bay
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
You're new, so will not have seen several
previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with
2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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This is why I make a back up of the version I’m running, make it portable with all add ons etc, then install over top of my production. This way I can revert by making the portable become my production copy with the touch of a button.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable version and have it copy the current user configuration. That way, if you want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable version. As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons. I realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to revert.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Arlene Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs. I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.
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From: Arlene via groups.io
That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not a good idea. If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it. That way you can better test for bugs. Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.
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From: Gtt North Bay
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Roger Stewart
I just ran check for add on updates and this time I was able to get the SPL add on just fine with no errors. The problem is fixed now!
:) Roger
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Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of destember, which is pretty close. Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:
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Gene
Beta’s may have bugsbut I’ve never seen one with a serious problem such as
not functioning. I agree that you should know how to get speech if NVDA
doesn’t work for some reason, but a general failure of the kind you discuss
isn’t expected and I’ve never seen it happen. I’ve used a lot of
betas. Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I
recall.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for
updates well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops
talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using
NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure
you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of
destember, which is pretty close.
Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k
Alawami <marrie12@...>
escreveu:
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On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM, Gene wrote:
I’ve used a lot of betas. Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I recall.- Same here. While beta versions cannot be considered to be 100% stable, they're generally very stable indeed, particularly when compared to alpha/snapshot builds. And that's true across software, not just NVDA. On the rare occasion when a beta is "just a little bit beyond alpha" I've seen developers directly state that one should still proceed with caution. NVDA beta releases are generally considered to be stable, with the possibility of the occasional bug, which beta users are expected to report as part of the bargain of using betas (also true of all beta software, by general convention, not "law."). I honestly can't remember the last time NVAccess issued a beta1 and beta2 for the same major release, and I didn't encounter any issue with beta1, but clearly other users did, or there wouldn't have been a beta2. But there were no reports at all on this group of any catastrophic and unrecoverable failures even in beta1. I've heard nary a peep about 2021.3beta2. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
if you don't want to download, you can download NVDA 2021.3 manually when it's released, this will solve your problem, because now for stable, we don't have any newer than 2021.2 Em dom., 28 de nov. de 2021 às 00:51, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> escreveu:
On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM, Gene wrote:
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