Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
This has been driving me insane for a while, but I've chosen to ignore it up until now.
Any time NVDA hits a case where there is "no next" something, like during object navigation or screen review, it has always said something that's much more akin to "non ext." I have to believe that this is because, somewhere, the actual two word text phrase, "No Next," is in the bowels of NVDA somewhere, hopefully in settings, entered as a single word, "nonext." When there is not a next of thing X, I want to hear, "No Next thing X," not, "non ext thing X." -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Gene
That appears to be an artifact of whatever synthesizer you are using.
I hear it spoken correctly with Eloquence and E-Speak.
Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather
than, "Non ext" This
has been driving me insane for a while, but I've chosen to ignore it up until
now. Any time NVDA hits a case where there is "no next" something, like during object navigation or screen review, it has always said something that's much more akin to "non ext." I have to believe that this is because, somewhere, the actual two word text phrase, "No Next," is in the bowels of NVDA somewhere, hopefully in settings, entered as a single word, "nonext." When there is not a next of thing X, I want to hear, "No Next thing X," not, "non ext thing X." -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 11:03 AM, Gene wrote:
That appears to be an artifact of whatever synthesizer you are using.- How odd. I'm using Microsoft David and I just tried it reading what I'd sent as the original message, and you are 100% correct. This is a really, really weird error, as he can definitely say "no," and say, "next" when the latter does not follow the former. But when it does, you get, nonext. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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I just created an issue in the Microsoft Feedback Hub regarding Microsoft David's inability to say "no next." Should anyone wish to upvote: https://aka.ms/AAfdk2i
-- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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what synth? I hear “no next” not “nonext”
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 7:57 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
This has been driving me insane for a while, but I've chosen to ignore it up until now. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Hi. It's odd that your version of NVDA does this. What speech synthesizer do you use? I use ESpeak, and when it says no next, it's very clear that this is what it's saying and that these are separate words. That makes me wonder if it's related to the speech synthesizer, not NVDA itself. Thanks. On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:56 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: This has been driving me insane for a while, but I've chosen to ignore it up until now. |
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Lanie & Sarah,
While I very much appreciate your interest, everything you've both asked/offered has already been covered. Please read through the entirety of a topic before posting new replies. The group rules request this of all members, as it avoids repetition, and it gets you up to speed. It is an issue with the Microsoft David synth, and I have already posted a direct link to the Feedback Hub feedback I left about the issue. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Chris
I dont know if this will work, but you could try removing the voice and adding it again, a long shot but it may work
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 03 January 2022 15:56 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
This has been driving me insane for a while, but I've chosen to ignore it up until now. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Chris Mullins
Hi OneCore voice seems OK too, could it be anything to do with your dictionary file?
Cheers Chris
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From: Gene
Sent: 03 January 2022 16:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
That appears to be an artifact of whatever synthesizer you are using. I hear it spoken correctly with Eloquence and E-Speak.
Gene -----Original Message[----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Monday, January 03, 2022 9:56 AM Subject: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
This has been driving me insane for a while, but I've chosen to ignore it up until now. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 02:25 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
OneCore voice seems OK too, could it be anything to do with your dictionary file?- It was. I had done some work a while back that centered on recognizing the word "no" versus the abbreviation "no." for number. I screwed up boundary condition after both of these, and in certain combinations it was creating some of that weirdness. Thanks for bringing this up. I've corrected it, or at least think I have, time will tell. Now it will always be in the back of my mind that I need to check the speech dictionary twiddling I've done in the past to see if I made a mistake or didn't take something into account that's now being encountered. Regular expressions, while absolutely incredible tools, do precisely what you tell them to do. Screw up your match and you screw up the replacement that relies on it. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Yep I saw all of that even after I posted. I’ll take a look at that feedback and see if I can upvote it as that process is kind of, meh.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 9:52 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
Lanie & Sarah, Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Can anyone else reproduce with ms david the no next thing? I cannot as I hear “no next object” or “no next item” I use david all the time actually in narrator.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 10:44 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
I dont know if this will work, but you could try removing the voice and adding it again, a long shot but it may work
From: Brian Vogel
This has been driving me insane for a while, but I've chosen to ignore it up until now. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Woops? Can you cancel that feedback then? I neve found a way to do this when I submitted stuff.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 12:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 02:25 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 04:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Can you cancel that feedback then?- No, but I already added a comment that it can be safely ignored and explaining what happened. They don't have a "close ticket" option as these are not really "trouble tickets" but reports. I don't ever leave someone hanging, though, if a resolution has been found, so I did what I could to make sure the folks who review feedback are aware of that. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Ah got yah. Until next time, chow.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 1:29 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 04:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Louise Pfau
Hi. I'm glad you got it resolved. I tried both eSpeak and Windows oneCore voices with no replication of the issue
Louise. |
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 05:14 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I'm glad you got it resolved.- Thanks. This is my punishment for using my own NVDA instance as a testing platform when various questions come in and forgetting that I've done so. I've done a lot of regular expression matching and replacement to fix certain things that do get mispronounced, and very often there will be some edge case that matches once in a blue moon that I never accounted for. That, or I've been sloppy with my regular expression, which was the case here. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Steve Nutt
Hi Brian,
A work around, although this should be fixed, is to make a dictionary entry and replace nonext with no next.
But I agree, it is in the NVDA code, someone can’t spell. 😊
All the best
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 03 January 2022 15:57 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
This has been driving me insane for a while, but I've chosen to ignore it up until now. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Steve Nutt
Jean, this is probably because if you split caps, like this: “NoNext” some synths, including Eloquence will treat it as two words, but others won’t.
The default OneCore voices don’t do this.
All the best
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 03 January 2022 16:03 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
That appears to be an artifact of whatever synthesizer you are using. I hear it spoken correctly with Eloquence and E-Speak.
Gene -----Original Message[----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Monday, January 03, 2022 9:56 AM Subject: [nvda] Getting NVDA to say the phrase, "No Next," rather than, "Non ext"
This has been driving me insane for a while, but I've chosen to ignore it up until now. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 10:10 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
- Steve, You're about to get what's going to become one of my "standard lectures" as moderator during 2022: Please read the entirety of an existing topic before posting any reply to it. The issue is not in the NVDA code. The issue is not even in the synthesizer. The issue was the result of a sloppy regex match and replace in my default dictionary. All of this had been covered, in its entirety, and had "finished up" yesterday. You're rehashing old territory, and what you're saying is not accurate to this specific situation, either. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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