Filling PDF Forms
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Bhavya shah
Dear all,
One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering its structure or formatting? I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this. Best Regards, Bhavya Shah Stanford University | Class of 2024 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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David Csercsics
Did you get NVDA to read a PDF in Adobe Reader? The latest version of both NVDA and Reader here won’t even open. Assuming you get it to open, I’ve had reasonable results in the past once Adobe automatically tags the form. You do need the read form fields feature enabled in the reading options in Adobe.
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On 2022-01-12 10:31 a.m., Bhavya shah wrote:
Dear all,
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Gene
If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with
no form fields. I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you
would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it.
If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text
in the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other
way would be required. Again, it may be expected that the document be
printed and returned.
I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a
screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them. If that
occurs, then the document isn’t accessible. You would thhen need sighted
assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity
that sent you the form.
Gene
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I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show
fillable fields if they are present. If that
Gene
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From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms Dear
all, One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering its structure or formatting? I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this. Best Regards, Bhavya Shah Stanford University | Class of 2024 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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I had one such case. The aira agent was able to click into the form fields and I was able to type into them, all this while using edge btw, I really don’t know how they did it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 7:59 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields. I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it.
If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required. Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned.
I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them. If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible. You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.
Gene -----Original Message----- I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present. If that Gene -----Original Message----- From: Bhavya shah Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM To: nvda Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
Dear all,
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Gene
Before the agent did this, when you moved through the form, was there any
indication that they were fillable or did you just hear text, as though the
intent was to print the document?
Gene
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms I had one such case. The aira agent was able to click into the form fields and I was able to type into them, all this while using edge btw, I really don’t know how they did it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields. I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it.
If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required. Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned.
I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them. If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible. You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.
Gene -----Original Message----- I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present. If that Gene -----Original Message----- From: Bhavya shah Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM To: nvda Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
Dear all,
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Bhavya,
The only suggestion I have for trying to fill out what amounts to a PDF electronic version of a form meant to be printed is either using Acrobat (as in the editing software, not Reader) to open it or one of the more recent versions of Microsoft Word that will open PDFs, converting them to MS-Word format, and doing a reasonably decent, if not always 100% perfect, job of keeping the formatting. But, if it's something that you know is going to need to be filled out, again and again, I'd be pushing the originator of said PDF form to make it a real, fillable PDF form. That's not rocket science, and (believe it or not), even the sighted love these forms they can open and fill-out by typing. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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No I just heard text. But everyone else and my agent were writing this in edge and saving it as a pdf etc. I can't show you guys as this was for a private thign we were doing, and I'm not really aloud to distribute those, besides this was sometime last year. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. . to subscribe to the feed click here Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and odysee. Thanks Restream staff. Videos of some of our podcasts can be found on odysee You can support the podcast by subscribing via the tip jar. You will get early access episodes plus no adds. If you cannot do that, then leave a 5 star rating on our podcast using your podcast directory's rating system.
On 12 Jan 2022, at 8:26, Gene wrote:
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Mohib Anwar Rafay
Generally it can be done by converting the pdf document into MS Word
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doc using ABBYY fine reader, it will not disturb its structure and entries. After filling the info, it can again be saved as pdf document.
On 1/13/22, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
No I just heard text. But everyone else and my agent were writing this --
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 02:48 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote:
Generally it can be done by converting the pdf document into MS Word- Just as an FYI, if you have Office 2013 or newer (I think, it might be 2016 or newer) the step with ABBYY Fine Reader is likely unnecessary. Word is now capable of opening PDF files and auto converting them to Word format when doing so, and then saving them again as PDFs if you so desire. There are occasional, and usually tiny, format changes but that's characteristic of any conversion process. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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