Hey guys it has been a while but I am back.
I realized that not a lot of persons knew that this was possible with NVDA and it can be very useful at times. In this video I outline the commands that NVDA provides for moving and using the mouse, examples of situations that you can use them in and how you can customize the commands.
Unfortunately I couldn't find an example for the right and left button locks so if anyone could enlighten me that would be awesome so that I could share it with others as well. Here is the link ENJOY!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRmeSjm07w

Hello,

After listening to your last video, it occurred to me that our blind friends who also have hearing loss might benefit from having written transcripts of videos like this. Also, it would be good practice for me as a transcriptionist. If this interests you, please let me know. I would do this on a volunteer basis. I would download the audio file into transcription software, transcribe it into a Word document or other type of document if you prefer, proofread it and return it to you. I have some experience transcribing for dictators whose first language is not English so no worries there.

Sincerely,

Janet Brandly

Hey guys it has been a while but I am back.
I realized that not a lot of persons knew that this was possible with NVDA and it can be very useful at times. In this video I outline the commands that NVDA provides for moving and using the mouse, examples of situations that you can use them in and how you can customize the commands.
Unfortunately I couldn't find an example for the right and left button locks so if anyone could enlighten me that would be awesome so that I could share it with others as well. Here is the link ENJOY!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRmeSjm07w

TheeQuinn,

I have tried, and tried, and tried again to make use of the left mouse lock button for drag and drop without involving the physical mouse at all, theoretically "picking up" a file in file explorer by using Left Mouse Lock, moving focus to a folder where I want to drop it, selecting that folder (or not selecting it, that hasn't mattered), routing the mouse to the navigator object (which should be that said folder), then hitting the Left Mouse Lock again, which should release that file on to the folder and move it.  It never works.

If anyone can show a use for the left mouse lock where you can pick up something for dragging, then dropping it via using that key sequence again, without any involvement of the physical mouse I'd love to see it.

I have never had any luck with emulated drag and drop under either JAWS or NVDA.  It either doesn't work, or there is something about the process that I am skipping, missing, or doing that causes inadvertent abandonment of the pick-up of the thing to be dropped.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

I neither need nor want to be appeased, but apprised.  Inconvenient truth is preferable to convenient (for the liar) lies.

     ~ Brian Vogel

Rick,

For me, this goes back to the Windows 7 era.  I have to believe someone, somewhere has made these commands work, but I'll be d*mned if I can get them to work.

I drag and drop "the sighted way" all the time.  I can see how being able to drag and drop equivalently with a screen reader could come in very handy, but I just cannot get it to work, ever.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

I neither need nor want to be appeased, but apprised.  Inconvenient truth is preferable to convenient (for the liar) lies.

     ~ Brian Vogel

 

Hey guys it has been a while but I am back.
I realized that not a lot of persons knew that this was possible with NVDA and it can be very useful at times. In this video I outline the commands that NVDA provides for moving and using the mouse, examples of situations that you can use them in and how you can customize the commands.
Unfortunately I couldn't find an example for the right and left button locks so if anyone could enlighten me that would be awesome so that I could share it with others as well. Here is the link ENJOY!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRmeSjm07w

TheeQuinn,

I have tried, and tried, and tried again to make use of the left mouse lock button for drag and drop without involving the physical mouse at all, theoretically "picking up" a file in file explorer by using Left Mouse Lock, moving focus to a folder where I want to drop it, selecting that folder (or not selecting it, that hasn't mattered), routing the mouse to the navigator object (which should be that said folder), then hitting the Left Mouse Lock again, which should release that file on to the folder and move it.  It never works.

If anyone can show a use for the left mouse lock where you can pick up something for dragging, then dropping it via using that key sequence again, without any involvement of the physical mouse I'd love to see it.

I have never had any luck with emulated drag and drop under either JAWS or NVDA.  It either doesn't work, or there is something about the process that I am skipping, missing, or doing that causes inadvertent abandonment of the pick-up of the thing to be dropped.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

I neither need nor want to be appeased, but apprised.  Inconvenient truth is preferable to convenient (for the liar) lies.

     ~ Brian Vogel

 

Gene,

I think the use of the mouse with NVDA is NVDA related, and, in fact, there is reference to physical mouse "participation" in the Mouse Navigation commands section.

That being said, it is well-nigh impossible to speak in anything but the broadest of generalities because exactly how the mouse settings are configured makes a huge difference in how much mouse movement equates to how much pointer movement.

The two things I suggest to anyone who intends to try out the actual mouse with a screen reader is that they first do mouse exploration on a screen with which they are already intimately familiar otherwise.  It allows you to get a sense of what amount of mouse movement equates to "a certain travel distance and speed" as well as sometimes revealing how the physical/visual layout of the screen does not equate to the traversal order built by the screen reader.  There can be insanely sloppy HTML code that creates absolutely visually perfect screens for a sighted user, but where how that gets loaded has little relation to how someone who sees actually sees, and thus is guided to traverse, that screen.

You can also then get a sense as to whether your mouse settings are "too sensitive" as far as movement goes.  If the tiniest of movement shoots you entirely across or down (or diagonally) on the page some settings tweaking to slow it down may be needed.

Start with very small and slow movement and then, once you hit a control you know well, try doing either an organized up/down zig-zag from side to side of the screen or left/right zig-zag up and down the screen.  Listen to what's announced when as far as familiar controls.

Once you have some idea of how your mouse behaves and no longer feel completely weirded out by "mousing blind" try it on the screen with the inaccessible (or cranky, anyway) controls trying to find them with whichever form of organized pan and scan of the screen with the mouse you find yourself most comfortable with.

You can't break anything, that's for sure.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

I neither need nor want to be appeased, but apprised.  Inconvenient truth is preferable to convenient (for the liar) lies.

     ~ Brian Vogel

 

You would think that would be one feature that the screen reader manufactures would make sure it works but they don't.

They would rather put more useless bells and whistles that hardly get used.

On 2/4/2022 6:18 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

TheeQuinn,

I have tried, and tried, and tried again to make use of the left mouse lock button for drag and drop without involving the physical mouse at all, theoretically "picking up" a file in file explorer by using Left Mouse Lock, moving focus to a folder where I want to drop it, selecting that folder (or not selecting it, that hasn't mattered), routing the mouse to the navigator object (which should be that said folder), then hitting the Left Mouse Lock again, which should release that file on to the folder and move it.  It never works.

If anyone can show a use for the left mouse lock where you can pick up something for dragging, then dropping it via using that key sequence again, without any involvement of the physical mouse I'd love to see it.

I have never had any luck with emulated drag and drop under either JAWS or NVDA.  It either doesn't work, or there is something about the process that I am skipping, missing, or doing that causes inadvertent abandonment of the pick-up of the thing to be dropped.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

I neither need nor want to be appeased, but apprised.  Inconvenient truth is preferable to convenient (for the liar) lies.

     ~ Brian Vogel

 

Rick,

For me, this goes back to the Windows 7 era.  I have to believe someone, somewhere has made these commands work, but I'll be d*mned if I can get them to work.

I drag and drop "the sighted way" all the time.  I can see how being able to drag and drop equivalently with a screen reader could come in very handy, but I just cannot get it to work, ever.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

I neither need nor want to be appeased, but apprised.  Inconvenient truth is preferable to convenient (for the liar) lies.

     ~ Brian Vogel

 

Hello,

I am probably missing the point here, but what is the matter with copying or cutting and pasting into the required folder?

Best Regards, Jim.

On 04/02/2022 23:18, Brian Vogel wrote:

TheeQuinn,

I have tried, and tried, and tried again to make use of the left mouse lock button for drag and drop without involving the physical mouse at all, theoretically "picking up" a file in file explorer by using Left Mouse Lock, moving focus to a folder where I want to drop it, selecting that folder (or not selecting it, that hasn't mattered), routing the mouse to the navigator object (which should be that said folder), then hitting the Left Mouse Lock again, which should release that file on to the folder and move it.  It never works.

If anyone can show a use for the left mouse lock where you can pick up something for dragging, then dropping it via using that key sequence again, without any involvement of the physical mouse I'd love to see it.

I have never had any luck with emulated drag and drop under either JAWS or NVDA.  It either doesn't work, or there is something about the process that I am skipping, missing, or doing that causes inadvertent abandonment of the pick-up of the thing to be dropped.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

I neither need nor want to be appeased, but apprised.  Inconvenient truth is preferable to convenient (for the liar) lies.

     ~ Brian Vogel

 

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