On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 11:20 AM, The Gamages wrote:

but will not continue on this list for this subject as per your request.

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Thank you, as the issue has no connection to NVDA, per se.  There are lots, including myself, willing to "dig deep" on this, but just not here, where it is off-topic.

This is a question on Thunderbird and email authentication protocols, not NVDA, at least not in any meaningful sense.  The answers would be the same regardless of the screen reader being used.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

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Hello Brian,

Out of courtesy I thank you for all that information, but will not continue on this list for this subject as per your request.

Best Regards, Jim.

This is not really an NVDA question, but an email accounts management question that is screen reader agnostic.  I'm going to answer it here, to the best of my ability given the variables involved, and ask that further discussion be moved to the Chat Subgroup.

The use of passwords "as passwords that the client sends each time you log in" for email account access is becoming less and less common.  As but one example, Gmail uses OAUTH verification, so Thunderbird does not even have a password that you can change.  If you look in the Tools Menu, Account Settings [ALT + T, S] and the account is a Gmail account, then look in the Server Settings tab for that specific account, the Security Settings section will show OAuth2 as the Authentication Method.  You can't change a password here like you used to.  If you so happen to change your password online in your Google account, the next time a login is attempted by Thunderbird you will be led through the standard OAuth setup procedure like you were the first time you set up the account so that it can set up the encrypted credential that actually gets used.

The dropdown list of Authentication Methods includes:  Normal Password, Encrypted Password, Kerberos/GSSAPI, NTLM, TLS Certificate, OAuth2

You are going to see fewer and fewer accounts with either type of password setting, and by now there should be virtually none in existence that use a "normal password" which is sent unencrypted to the server where any "sniffer" could snag it.

Email security has become very complicated indeed, and what you do to change getting logged in to a given email server directly depends on the authentication method that email server uses.

I would have to imagine that if your email provider is using either password method, then one of the two password authentication options would be showing in the authentication method box and a button or link of some kind that would allow you to update the password would be present.  I have no accounts that still use password authentication on which to test.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 

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This is not really an NVDA question, but an email accounts management question that is screen reader agnostic.  I'm going to answer it here, to the best of my ability given the variables involved, and ask that further discussion be moved to the Chat Subgroup.

The use of passwords "as passwords that the client sends each time you log in" for email account access is becoming less and less common.  As but one example, Gmail uses OAUTH verification, so Thunderbird does not even have a password that you can change.  If you look in the Tools Menu, Account Settings [ALT + T, S] and the account is a Gmail account, then look in the Server Settings tab for that specific account, the Security Settings section will show OAuth2 as the Authentication Method.  You can't change a password here like you used to.  If you so happen to change your password online in your Google account, the next time a login is attempted by Thunderbird you will be led through the standard OAuth setup procedure like you were the first time you set up the account so that it can set up the encrypted credential that actually gets used.

The dropdown list of Authentication Methods includes:  Normal Password, Encrypted Password, Kerberos/GSSAPI, NTLM, TLS Certificate, OAuth2

You are going to see fewer and fewer accounts with either type of password setting, and by now there should be virtually none in existence that use a "normal password" which is sent unencrypted to the server where any "sniffer" could snag it.

Email security has become very complicated indeed, and what you do to change getting logged in to a given email server directly depends on the authentication method that email server uses.

I would have to imagine that if your email provider is using either password method, then one of the two password authentication options would be showing in the authentication method box and a button or link of some kind that would allow you to update the password would be present.  I have no accounts that still use password authentication on which to test.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
     ~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
         America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
        New York Times, February 8, 2022

 

When you try to log on to the account, do you get a dialog about entering your password?  Also, you say your son can see something, evidently when signing in.  What screen-reader are you using?  I'm not saying you should learn these things just for this and if you don't need to use such things, you may not want to bother.  But this may be a case where knowing how to use the touch cursor in JAWS or object navigation in NVDA would allow you to work with what your son sees.  It may not be accessible on the screen otherwise.


Gene

hello,


Thank you and Gene for your advice, I can get to saved passwords now, but pressing space bar on it doesn't get me any further, the show passwords field is greyed out.

Our Son found that you do have to set password for both incoming and outgoing mail, I am still stuck at the moment, obviously I can get sighted help to do the job, but I want to see how using the keyboard.


I will keep trying, but thank you very much for your input.


Best Regards, Jim.


On 28/02/2022 12:46, Richard Kuzma via groups.io wrote:

Oops, I was wrong
Here is what I found upon googling it.
Here is the menu path to get you to your saved passwords.
Follow these menu options and see if this helps
It took some fumbling and tabbing around to get to it.

tools
preferences
privacy and security
passwords
saved passwords

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Subject: [nvda] passwords in Thunderbird

Hello,


I am trying to update my password in Thunderbird using NVDA, Our Soun can find it visually, but, although I can get into account settings with NVDA, I can't find where to update my passwords for incoming and outgoing mail.

Can anyone give me keystrokes to find them using the keyboard, thankyou for any help.


Best Regards, Jim.

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It appears you do roughly the following:

Major new steps start on new lines:

Open tools, alt t.

Open preferences.

Have the virtual PC cursor off if you are using JAWS.  Have browse mode off if you are using NVDA.

I believe that to get to the categories list, it is much closer to shift tab.

Once you are in the list, find privacy and security.

Start tabbing.

You will get to a button that says saved passwords.

Press it with the space bar.

Tab to show passwords.  I think its a button.  Activate it with the space bar.

You will be asked if you are sure.  Answer yes.

I didn't look further.  remove and replace the passwords for the account you are using.

I'm not sure if you will have to change passwords for both the incoming and outgoing servers for the accounts.  Since I didn't look around once passwords were shown, I don't know if there is an OK button.


Once finished turn the virtual PC cursor on again and browse mode.


Gene

Oops, I was wrong
Here is what I found upon googling it.
Here is the menu path to get you to your saved passwords.
Follow these menu options and see if this helps
It took some fumbling and tabbing around to get to it.

tools
preferences
privacy and security
passwords
saved passwords

Good morning,
If I remember off the top of my head, it is in server settings somewhere in the tree view
If you cant find it let me know and I will go through it here and let you know
Thanks
Rich

Hello,


I am trying to update my password in Thunderbird using NVDA, Our Soun can find it visually, but, although I can get into account settings with NVDA, I can't find where to update my passwords for incoming and outgoing mail.

Can anyone give me keystrokes to find them using the keyboard, thankyou for any help.


Best Regards, Jim.