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I read somewhere maybe on this list That NVDA soon stops supporting win 7? Skickades från E-post för Windows
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The question has come up before and it has been stated that when
that happens, we will be notified before it does. When it does,
you can still use the latest version that does support it. I
doubt the loss of support in new versions will matter much to
most Windows 7 users. What I'd be much more worried about is that
programs may stop supporting Windows 7 such as browsers over the
nest year or two. And the Microsoft real time protection program
for Windows 7, Microsoft Security Essentials, is supposed to stop
supporting Windows 7 in 2023. Other programs may still do so but
Microsoft Security Essentials is a good and accessible program.
If browsers stop supporting it in a year or two, at some point,
you won't be able to use your banking site because they require
reasonably current versions of browsers.
And if your printer breaks or your scanner, I doubt you can get
new equipment now that supports Windows 7.
Whether NVDA stops supporting Windows 7 perhaps this or next year
looks to me like one of the least things you need to worry about.
Gene
On 2/28/2022 10:48 PM, mattias wrote:
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I read somewhere maybe on this list
That NVDA soon stops supporting win 7?
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Lol i played with a virtual win 7 You cant access NVDA-project.org from ie8 You can install a older firefox.. Skickades från E-post för Windows The question has come up before and it has been stated that when that happens, we will be notified before it does. When it does, you can still use the latest version that does support it. I doubt the loss of support in new versions will matter much to most Windows 7 users. What I'd be much more worried about is that programs may stop supporting Windows 7 such as browsers over the nest year or two. And the Microsoft real time protection program for Windows 7, Microsoft Security Essentials, is supposed to stop supporting Windows 7 in 2023. Other programs may still do so but Microsoft Security Essentials is a good and accessible program. If browsers stop supporting it in a year or two, at some point, you won't be able to use your banking site because they require reasonably current versions of browsers. And if your printer breaks or your scanner, I doubt you can get new equipment now that supports Windows 7. Whether NVDA stops supporting Windows 7 perhaps this or next year looks to me like one of the least things you need to worry about. Gene
On 2/28/2022 10:48 PM, mattias wrote:
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I have a Windows 7 machine. I haven't tried to install Firefox
but I can run the most recent Firefox portable.
IE8 can't access most web sites any longer but you can run IE11
on Windows 7. You can also run Edge in Windows 7 and Brave.
Its not the current state of what you can run that I think is of
concern to a lot of users, but I have no idea what programs may
stop supporting Windows 7 in the next year or two. I would think
that browser support, when it ends, may be a serious problem for
many people if banks stop letting them use older versions of
browsers.
Gene
On 2/28/2022 11:18 PM, mattias wrote:
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Show quoted text
Lol i played with a virtual win 7
You cant access NVDA-project.org from ie8
You can install a older firefox..
Skickades från E-post för Windows
The question has come up before and it has been stated that
when that happens, we will be notified before it does. When
it does, you can still use the latest version that does
support it. I doubt the loss of support in new versions will
matter much to most Windows 7 users. What I'd be much more
worried about is that programs may stop supporting Windows 7
such as browsers over the nest year or two. And the Microsoft
real time protection program for Windows 7, Microsoft Security
Essentials, is supposed to stop supporting Windows 7 in 2023.
Other programs may still do so but Microsoft Security
Essentials is a good and accessible program. If browsers stop
supporting it in a year or two, at some point, you won't be
able to use your banking site because they require reasonably
current versions of browsers.
And if your printer breaks or your scanner, I doubt you can
get new equipment now that supports Windows 7.
Whether NVDA stops supporting Windows 7 perhaps this or next
year looks to me like one of the least things you need to
worry about.
Gene
On 2/28/2022 10:48 PM, mattias wrote:
I read somewhere maybe on this list
That NVDA soon stops supporting win 7?
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Well I have win7 on an old laptop and I decided to try it.
According to windows updates, the last major security update was
round october sometime.
The lastnon security os enhancement update was in september of
the same year.
I suspect for win7 support most stuff probably will support it
till win10 stopps completely.
Simply put win11 is 64 bit only so while there will probably be
32 bit apps till they just are not convenient to support them
When windows 10 dies completely spaciffic 32 bit apps will not
probably exist.
Right now microsoft still releases 32 bit runtime files and 32
bit libraries.
So I'd expect this to continue.
Its worth noting that while the latest java runtime is 8.
something, the last java that is able to support 7 is java 7.
Apart from this, I should imagine chrome will support things till
the end of 32 bit at least.
And therefore edge and the rest will follow.
At any rate its much easier to support 7, I mean nvda has no
addons at all running on 7 and it can access basically the entire
os.
I should imagine that any new software released for windows from
now on will at least be untested with windows below 10 but that
doesn't mean it won't run.
Saying that after trying my old toshiba I can't say I would like
a single hard drive enabled machine.
On 1/03/2022 6:38 pm, Gene wrote:
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I have a Windows 7 machine. I haven't tried to install Firefox
but I can run the most recent Firefox portable.
IE8 can't access most web sites any longer but you can run IE11
on Windows 7. You can also run Edge in Windows 7 and Brave.
Its not the current state of what you can run that I think is
of concern to a lot of users, but I have no idea what programs
may stop supporting Windows 7 in the next year or two. I would
think that browser support, when it ends, may be a serious
problem for many people if banks stop letting them use older
versions of browsers.
Gene
On 2/28/2022 11:18 PM, mattias wrote:
Lol i played with a virtual win 7
You cant access NVDA-project.org from ie8
You can install a older firefox..
Skickades från E-post för Windows
The question has come up before and it has been stated that
when that happens, we will be notified before it does. When
it does, you can still use the latest version that does
support it. I doubt the loss of support in new versions
will matter much to most Windows 7 users. What I'd be much
more worried about is that programs may stop supporting
Windows 7 such as browsers over the nest year or two. And
the Microsoft real time protection program for Windows 7,
Microsoft Security Essentials, is supposed to stop
supporting Windows 7 in 2023. Other programs may still do
so but Microsoft Security Essentials is a good and
accessible program. If browsers stop supporting it in a
year or two, at some point, you won't be able to use your
banking site because they require reasonably current
versions of browsers.
And if your printer breaks or your scanner, I doubt you can
get new equipment now that supports Windows 7.
Whether NVDA stops supporting Windows 7 perhaps this or
next year looks to me like one of the least things you need
to worry about.
Gene
On 2/28/2022 10:48 PM, mattias wrote:
I read somewhere maybe on this list
That NVDA soon stops supporting win
7?
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It might be a good thing to get the most current browser, with which you feel comfortable. As well as keeping what you use now. Banks will often tell you a browser will continue to be supported. But, it might not be. Personally, I was a big fan of Internet explorer. I asked if my bank would support it, when it updated its site. I was told it would, but, it, sadly, wasn’t true. Eventually, I had to upgrade. Sent from Mail for Windows
From: GeneSent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 12:38 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: Re: [nvda] win 7? I have a Windows 7 machine. I haven't tried to install Firefox but I can run the most recent Firefox portable. IE8 can't access most web sites any longer but you can run IE11 on Windows 7. You can also run Edge in Windows 7 and Brave. Its not the current state of what you can run that I think is of concern to a lot of users, but I have no idea what programs may stop supporting Windows 7 in the next year or two. I would think that browser support, when it ends, may be a serious problem for many people if banks stop letting them use older versions of browsers. Gene On 2/28/2022 11:18 PM, mattias wrote: Lol i played with a virtual win 7 You cant access NVDA-project.org from ie8 You can install a older firefox.. Skickades från E-post för Windows The question has come up before and it has been stated that when that happens, we will be notified before it does. When it does, you can still use the latest version that does support it. I doubt the loss of support in new versions will matter much to most Windows 7 users. What I'd be much more worried about is that programs may stop supporting Windows 7 such as browsers over the nest year or two. And the Microsoft real time protection program for Windows 7, Microsoft Security Essentials, is supposed to stop supporting Windows 7 in 2023. Other programs may still do so but Microsoft Security Essentials is a good and accessible program. If browsers stop supporting it in a year or two, at some point, you won't be able to use your banking site because they require reasonably current versions of browsers. And if your printer breaks or your scanner, I doubt you can get new equipment now that supports Windows 7. Whether NVDA stops supporting Windows 7 perhaps this or next year looks to me like one of the least things you need to worry about. Gene On 2/28/2022 10:48 PM, mattias wrote: I read somewhere maybe on this list That NVDA soon stops supporting win 7? Skickades från E-post för Windows
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Hi
If I remember right it will not be until 2023 for when things
start to break a lot more and support for windows 7 has to be
dropped.
The below is from a message from Quentin to do with support for
windows 7 until it is dropped.
Quentin Christensen
Jan 11 #91640
Hi everyone,
To follow up on a couple of questions we have received, I wanted
to clarify NV Access' position on Windows 7 support.
NVDA will NOT drop support for Windows 7 in the immediate future.
We have previously stated that where we need to put out a release
which breaks compatibility or support, that we would (where
possible) make this the first release of the year. Therefore, at
this time, we anticipate supporting Windows 7 until, at least, the
first release in 2023.
I would also say that we strongly recommend everyone should, where
possible, use a supported version of Windows. Microsoft stopped
support for Windows 7 two years ago - 14th January 2020. There
are numerous reasons to upgrade. One of the biggest is that any
exploits found in the operating system not only won't be patched
by Microsoft, but cyber criminals know that and will actively try
to exploit them. Even an anti-virus program which can still be
updated on Windows 7 may not be able to protect you from a
vulnerability in the operating system itself.
As well as this, users on Windows 10 have access to more features
with NVDA such as Windows OneCore Voices. The majority of NVDA
users are on Windows 10. Therefore, NVDA on Windows 10 gets more
testing and attention generally. It is the most well supported
platform. (If you're looking to upgrade right up to Windows 11
then NVDA 2021.3.1 supports Windows 11. More users will migrate
to that platform over time so it will only continue to improve).
When Microsoft dropped support for Windows XP in April 2014, NVDA
continued to support it until 2017.3, in August 2017. While we
can't guarantee how far into the future we will support Windows 7,
we will do so until continuing to support it becomes problematic
for supporting current features of Windows 10 / 11. Once we
determine that we need to drop support, we will give the community
as much notice as possible.
Gene nz
On 1/03/2022 5:48 pm, mattias wrote:
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I read somewhere maybe on this list
That NVDA soon stops supporting win 7?
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Your statement about 32 bit support is not correct. Windows 11
does not have a 32 bit version but that has nothing to do with
whether you can run 32 bit programs in Windows 11. You can.
See this page for one discussion.
https://www.intowindows.com/does-windows-11-support-32-bit-applications/
As far as programs generally being compatible with Windows 7 over
time, I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss that. I had
thought many of them wouldn't but as I consider the question, I
was thinking that because that is what has happened in the past,
as time went on, a lot of programs stopped supporting earlier
versions of Windows. That doesn't mean that has to be the case
this time. Technical conditions may differ. We'll see what those
with enough technical knowledge say.
Gene
On 3/1/2022 1:57 AM, Shaun Everiss
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Well I have win7 on an old laptop and I decided to try it.
According to windows updates, the last major security update
was round october sometime.
The lastnon security os enhancement update was in september of
the same year.
I suspect for win7 support most stuff probably will support it
till win10 stopps completely.
Simply put win11 is 64 bit only so while there will probably be
32 bit apps till they just are not convenient to support them
When windows 10 dies completely spaciffic 32 bit apps will not
probably exist.
Right now microsoft still releases 32 bit runtime files and 32
bit libraries.
So I'd expect this to continue.
Its worth noting that while the latest java runtime is 8.
something, the last java that is able to support 7 is java 7.
Apart from this, I should imagine chrome will support things
till the end of 32 bit at least.
And therefore edge and the rest will follow.
At any rate its much easier to support 7, I mean nvda has no
addons at all running on 7 and it can access basically the
entire os.
I should imagine that any new software released for windows
from now on will at least be untested with windows below 10 but
that doesn't mean it won't run.
Saying that after trying my old toshiba I can't say I would
like a single hard drive enabled machine.
On 1/03/2022 6:38 pm, Gene wrote:
I have a Windows 7 machine. I haven't tried to install
Firefox but I can run the most recent Firefox portable.
IE8 can't access most web sites any longer but you can run
IE11 on Windows 7. You can also run Edge in Windows 7 and
Brave.
Its not the current state of what you can run that I think is
of concern to a lot of users, but I have no idea what programs
may stop supporting Windows 7 in the next year or two. I
would think that browser support, when it ends, may be a
serious problem for many people if banks stop letting them use
older versions of browsers.
Gene
On 2/28/2022 11:18 PM, mattias
wrote:
Lol i played with a virtual win 7
You cant access NVDA-project.org from
ie8
You can install a older firefox..
Skickades från E-post för Windows
The question has come up before and it has been stated
that when that happens, we will be notified before it
does. When it does, you can still use the latest version
that does support it. I doubt the loss of support in new
versions will matter much to most Windows 7 users. What
I'd be much more worried about is that programs may stop
supporting Windows 7 such as browsers over the nest year
or two. And the Microsoft real time protection program
for Windows 7, Microsoft Security Essentials, is supposed
to stop supporting Windows 7 in 2023. Other programs may
still do so but Microsoft Security Essentials is a good
and accessible program. If browsers stop supporting it in
a year or two, at some point, you won't be able to use
your banking site because they require reasonably current
versions of browsers.
And if your printer breaks or your scanner, I doubt you
can get new equipment now that supports Windows 7.
Whether NVDA stops supporting Windows 7 perhaps this or
next year looks to me like one of the least things you
need to worry about.
Gene
On 2/28/2022 10:48 PM, mattias wrote:
I read somewhere maybe on this list
That NVDA soon stops supporting win
7?
Skickades från E-post för Windows
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toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Your statement about 32 bit support is not correct. Windows 11
does not have a 32 bit version but that has nothing to do with
whether you can run 32 bit programs in Windows 11. You can.
See this page for one discussion.
https://www.intowindows.com/does-windows-11-support-32-bit-applications/
As far as programs generally being compatible with Windows 7
over time, I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss
that. I had thought many of them wouldn't but as I consider the
question, I was thinking that because that is what has happened
in the past, as time went on, a lot of programs stopped
supporting earlier versions of Windows. That doesn't mean that
has to be the case this time. Technical conditions may differ.
We'll see what those with enough technical knowledge say.
Gene
On 3/1/2022 1:57 AM, Shaun Everiss
wrote:
Well I have win7 on an old laptop and I decided to try it.
According to windows updates, the last major security update
was round october sometime.
The lastnon security os enhancement update was in september
of the same year.
I suspect for win7 support most stuff probably will support
it till win10 stopps completely.
Simply put win11 is 64 bit only so while there will probably
be 32 bit apps till they just are not convenient to support
them
When windows 10 dies completely spaciffic 32 bit apps will
not probably exist.
Right now microsoft still releases 32 bit runtime files and
32 bit libraries.
So I'd expect this to continue.
Its worth noting that while the latest java runtime is 8.
something, the last java that is able to support 7 is java 7.
Apart from this, I should imagine chrome will support things
till the end of 32 bit at least.
And therefore edge and the rest will follow.
At any rate its much easier to support 7, I mean nvda has no
addons at all running on 7 and it can access basically the
entire os.
I should imagine that any new software released for windows
from now on will at least be untested with windows below 10
but that doesn't mean it won't run.
Saying that after trying my old toshiba I can't say I would
like a single hard drive enabled machine.
On 1/03/2022 6:38 pm, Gene wrote:
I have a Windows 7 machine. I haven't tried to install
Firefox but I can run the most recent Firefox portable.
IE8 can't access most web sites any longer but you can run
IE11 on Windows 7. You can also run Edge in Windows 7 and
Brave.
Its not the current state of what you can run that I think
is of concern to a lot of users, but I have no idea what
programs may stop supporting Windows 7 in the next year or
two. I would think that browser support, when it ends, may
be a serious problem for many people if banks stop letting
them use older versions of browsers.
Gene
On 2/28/2022 11:18 PM, mattias
wrote:
Lol i played with a virtual win 7
You cant access NVDA-project.org from
ie8
You can install a older firefox..
Skickades från E-post för Windows
The question has come up before and it has been stated
that when that happens, we will be notified before it
does. When it does, you can still use the latest
version that does support it. I doubt the loss of
support in new versions will matter much to most
Windows 7 users. What I'd be much more worried about is
that programs may stop supporting Windows 7 such as
browsers over the nest year or two. And the Microsoft
real time protection program for Windows 7, Microsoft
Security Essentials, is supposed to stop supporting
Windows 7 in 2023. Other programs may still do so but
Microsoft Security Essentials is a good and accessible
program. If browsers stop supporting it in a year or
two, at some point, you won't be able to use your
banking site because they require reasonably current
versions of browsers.
And if your printer breaks or your scanner, I doubt you
can get new equipment now that supports Windows 7.
Whether NVDA stops supporting Windows 7 perhaps this or
next year looks to me like one of the least things you
need to worry about.
Gene
On 2/28/2022 10:48 PM, mattias wrote:
I read somewhere maybe on this
list
That NVDA soon stops supporting
win 7?
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Ciao Gene, basta che vai in modalità focus, nvda+spazio et voilà.
Gabry.
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Sorry guys.
I made a mistake on sending message.
Gabe.
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I am now locking this topic because, other than what was already known about NVDA and ongoing support under Windows 7, nothing else is about NVDA. It is also, in my opinion, long past time that people stop obsessing about Windows 7 support. If you use Windows, or any operating system, the only sane thing to do is to use an in-support version. Windows 7 is no longer in support by Microsoft. That is enough to make transitioning to Windows 10 or 11 (Windows 8.1 dies next year) a necessity, not an option. And the ability to upgrade from 7 to 10 remains both free and viable. Do so. --
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
Constantly insisting on “my rights” with no consideration of “my responsibilities” isn’t “freedom” — it’s adolescence.
~ Commenter, Evangelos, in comments for
America 2022: Where Everyone Has Rights and No One Has Responsibilities,
New York Times, February 8, 2022
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