Hi,

Important: Have you installed the latest version of Weather_Plus, 8.8?
Do you find any errors in the nvda log?

Adriano

have followed the instructions from Ron it still doesn't work, every time I try to add the city the weather adding cities closes, here are Rons instructions, someone may have to tandem with me thanks from Joseph

.

The keystroke you mention is not for adding a city. It Is for setting up a
temporary city. This assumes you have saved more than one city in your
Weather program and you want to check the  weather in another city without
changing your default city. To add a city to Weather Plus:
1.  Press NVDA + N for the NVDA menu.
2. Choose preferences.
3. Press enter on Weather plus.
4.  The default item there is set and manage your cities. Press enter on
that.
`5.  You are placed in an edit field. Type in a city name or city code .
6.  Tab once to a test button and press enter. This will search for the city
or give you multiple choices if there is more than one.
7. If you find the city, highlight it in the results list and tab to the add
city button and press enter.
8.  You can then use the tab key to set parameters for the city you have
chosen. These settings are check boxes and there are a lot of them.
9.  Don't forget to tab to and press OK to save the setting.

 

 

 

3c.   Re: Adding A City To The Weather Add-On
From: Adriano Barbieri
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2022 00:51:27 CDT

 

Hi,

 

The settings window can also be opened with: NVDA + CTRL + SHIFT + W

 

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

-
Gene,

Logic dictates that this issue has arisen with whatever versions of NVDA and Weather Plus that Mr. Machise already has, or the question would not have arisen in the first place.

But putting that aside, it is a very, very bad idea to suggest not updating software in general as updates become available.  This is particularly so with NVDA and its add-ons.

Avoiding updates, except in rare occasions, just keeps digging a deeper and deeper "compatibility/incompatibility" hole that is going to eventually have to be gotten out of.  There is a reason that the group rules state:  The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old.

That's not there because it's my personal preference (though I'll admit that it is) but because no software maker, and certainly not NVAccess or Microsoft, is going to try to maintain perpetual backward compatibility.  Computing is a stream, and one must really become accustomed to flowing with it as a matter of best practice whenever possible.  Eventually, choice completely leaves the picture.

Even though NVDA remains compatible with Windows 7 at the moment, the writing is clearly on the wall about that not continuing all that much longer.  Windows 8.1 is less than a year from sunset/end of life.  The expectation that the entire Windows ecosystem under which NVDA and its add-ons are being used will be one that is in support in order for it to be discussed here is not optional.  I continue to allow the discussion of NVDA under Windows 7 because so long as it does remain backward compatible with Windows 7 that version of NVDA remains on-topic.  But upon release of the first version of NVDA that is not compatible with Windows 7, then all things Windows 7 and earlier will be, as they have been, relegated to the Chat Subgroup or to other venues.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

Outlook express? Did I hear NVDA say outlook express? I thought that was gone!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: April 4, 2022 2:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

Joseph,

 

Outlook express is as old as the hills and twice as dusty. Why do you use something that's no longer supported? Get off of the outlook express train and use something like outlook or thunderbird.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

gene I still use outlook express one of the things that windows 10 does and you can clarify some of the older programs that people used with XP we liked and in my opinion Microsoft has no business telling people to update, they should and could have improved XP and Internet explorer, you and I just and Bryan and some others on this list feel or should I say have different   opinions or beliefs, if it ain't broken don't fix it and also this windows 11 some of us don't have the money to by another computer.    

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

Windows 10 is similar to Windows7.  There are new features and some things are in different places but Windows is Windows. 

When I started using Windows 10, I could do almost everything I did in Windows 7 with almost no learning.  I did learn about certain new features and some minor changes but I was able to use almost everything I knew from Windows 7.

Whenever you hear claims such as that This new version of Windows is much harder or much different than the proceeding one, be skeptical.  I've heard this over and over.  It is seldom true. 

there is all sorts of misinformation and equivalent of rumors circulated in the blind computer using community and lists like this and general  blindness technology lists are places where you can ask about what you hear that is discouraging and find out if there is anything to it. 

Gene

On 4/4/2022 2:56 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



Brian some of us blind people have trouble with windows10 don't no weather you are blind or sited it is a lot easier for a sited person than some of us blind people to use a computer, some of us are not very techie and some people have a lot of trouble with windows10. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

-
Gene,

Logic dictates that this issue has arisen with whatever versions of NVDA and Weather Plus that Mr. Machise already has, or the question would not have arisen in the first place.

But putting that aside, it is a very, very bad idea to suggest not updating software in general as updates become available.  This is particularly so with NVDA and its add-ons.

Avoiding updates, except in rare occasions, just keeps digging a deeper and deeper "compatibility/incompatibility" hole that is going to eventually have to be gotten out of.  There is a reason that the group rules state:  The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

That's not there because it's my personal preference (though I'll admit that it is) but because no software maker, and certainly not NVAccess or Microsoft, is going to try to maintain perpetual backward compatibility.  Computing is a stream, and one must really become accustomed to flowing with it as a matter of best practice whenever possible.  Eventually, choice completely leaves the picture.

Even though NVDA remains compatible with Windows 7 at the moment, the writing is clearly on the wall about that not continuing all that much longer.  Windows 8.1 is less than a year from sunset/end of life.  The expectation that the entire Windows ecosystem under which NVDA and its add-ons are being used will be one that is in support in order for it to be discussed here is not optional.  I continue to allow the discussion of NVDA under Windows 7 because so long as it does remain backward compatible with Windows 7 that version of NVDA remains on-topic.  But upon release of the first version of NVDA that is not compatible with Windows 7, then all things Windows 7 and earlier will be, as they have been, relegated to the Chat Subgroup or to other venues.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

 

 

Joseph,

Outlook express is as old as the hills and twice as dusty. Why do you use something that's no longer supported? Get off of the outlook express train and use something like outlook or thunderbird.

Rosemarie

Windows 10 is similar to Windows7.  There are new features and some things are in different places but Windows is Windows. 

When I started using Windows 10, I could do almost everything I did in Windows 7 with almost no learning.  I did learn about certain new features and some minor changes but I was able to use almost everything I knew from Windows 7.

Whenever you hear claims such as that This new version of Windows is much harder or much different than the proceeding one, be skeptical.  I've heard this over and over.  It is seldom true. 

there is all sorts of misinformation and equivalent of rumors circulated in the blind computer using community and lists like this and general  blindness technology lists are places where you can ask about what you hear that is discouraging and find out if there is anything to it. 

Gene



Brian some of us blind people have trouble with windows10 don't no weather you are blind or sited it is a lot easier for a sited person than some of us blind people to use a computer, some of us are not very techie and some people have a lot of trouble with windows10. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

-
Gene,

Logic dictates that this issue has arisen with whatever versions of NVDA and Weather Plus that Mr. Machise already has, or the question would not have arisen in the first place.

But putting that aside, it is a very, very bad idea to suggest not updating software in general as updates become available.  This is particularly so with NVDA and its add-ons.

Avoiding updates, except in rare occasions, just keeps digging a deeper and deeper "compatibility/incompatibility" hole that is going to eventually have to be gotten out of.  There is a reason that the group rules state:  The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

That's not there because it's my personal preference (though I'll admit that it is) but because no software maker, and certainly not NVAccess or Microsoft, is going to try to maintain perpetual backward compatibility.  Computing is a stream, and one must really become accustomed to flowing with it as a matter of best practice whenever possible.  Eventually, choice completely leaves the picture.

Even though NVDA remains compatible with Windows 7 at the moment, the writing is clearly on the wall about that not continuing all that much longer.  Windows 8.1 is less than a year from sunset/end of life.  The expectation that the entire Windows ecosystem under which NVDA and its add-ons are being used will be one that is in support in order for it to be discussed here is not optional.  I continue to allow the discussion of NVDA under Windows 7 because so long as it does remain backward compatible with Windows 7 that version of NVDA remains on-topic.  But upon release of the first version of NVDA that is not compatible with Windows 7, then all things Windows 7 and earlier will be, as they have been, relegated to the Chat Subgroup or to other venues.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

Joseph,

 

Outlook express is as old as the hills and twice as dusty. Why do you use something that's no longer supported? Get off of the outlook express train and use something like outlook or thunderbird.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

gene I still use outlook express one of the things that windows 10 does and you can clarify some of the older programs that people used with XP we liked and in my opinion Microsoft has no business telling people to update, they should and could have improved XP and Internet explorer, you and I just and Bryan and some others on this list feel or should I say have different   opinions or beliefs, if it ain't broken don't fix it and also this windows 11 some of us don't have the money to by another computer.    

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

Windows 10 is similar to Windows7.  There are new features and some things are in different places but Windows is Windows. 

When I started using Windows 10, I could do almost everything I did in Windows 7 with almost no learning.  I did learn about certain new features and some minor changes but I was able to use almost everything I knew from Windows 7.

Whenever you hear claims such as that This new version of Windows is much harder or much different than the proceeding one, be skeptical.  I've heard this over and over.  It is seldom true. 

there is all sorts of misinformation and equivalent of rumors circulated in the blind computer using community and lists like this and general  blindness technology lists are places where you can ask about what you hear that is discouraging and find out if there is anything to it. 

Gene

On 4/4/2022 2:56 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



Brian some of us blind people have trouble with windows10 don't no weather you are blind or sited it is a lot easier for a sited person than some of us blind people to use a computer, some of us are not very techie and some people have a lot of trouble with windows10. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

-
Gene,

Logic dictates that this issue has arisen with whatever versions of NVDA and Weather Plus that Mr. Machise already has, or the question would not have arisen in the first place.

But putting that aside, it is a very, very bad idea to suggest not updating software in general as updates become available.  This is particularly so with NVDA and its add-ons.

Avoiding updates, except in rare occasions, just keeps digging a deeper and deeper "compatibility/incompatibility" hole that is going to eventually have to be gotten out of.  There is a reason that the group rules state:  The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

That's not there because it's my personal preference (though I'll admit that it is) but because no software maker, and certainly not NVAccess or Microsoft, is going to try to maintain perpetual backward compatibility.  Computing is a stream, and one must really become accustomed to flowing with it as a matter of best practice whenever possible.  Eventually, choice completely leaves the picture.

Even though NVDA remains compatible with Windows 7 at the moment, the writing is clearly on the wall about that not continuing all that much longer.  Windows 8.1 is less than a year from sunset/end of life.  The expectation that the entire Windows ecosystem under which NVDA and its add-ons are being used will be one that is in support in order for it to be discussed here is not optional.  I continue to allow the discussion of NVDA under Windows 7 because so long as it does remain backward compatible with Windows 7 that version of NVDA remains on-topic.  But upon release of the first version of NVDA that is not compatible with Windows 7, then all things Windows 7 and earlier will be, as they have been, relegated to the Chat Subgroup or to other venues.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

 

Windows 10 is similar to Windows7.  There are new features and some things are in different places but Windows is Windows. 

When I started using Windows 10, I could do almost everything I did in Windows 7 with almost no learning.  I did learn about certain new features and some minor changes but I was able to use almost everything I knew from Windows 7.

Whenever you hear claims such as that This new version of Windows is much harder or much different than the proceeding one, be skeptical.  I've heard this over and over.  It is seldom true. 

there is all sorts of misinformation and equivalent of rumors circulated in the blind computer using community and lists like this and general  blindness technology lists are places where you can ask about what you hear that is discouraging and find out if there is anything to it. 

Gene



Brian some of us blind people have trouble with windows10 don't no weather you are blind or sited it is a lot easier for a sited person than some of us blind people to use a computer, some of us are not very techie and some people have a lot of trouble with windows10. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

-
Gene,

Logic dictates that this issue has arisen with whatever versions of NVDA and Weather Plus that Mr. Machise already has, or the question would not have arisen in the first place.

But putting that aside, it is a very, very bad idea to suggest not updating software in general as updates become available.  This is particularly so with NVDA and its add-ons.

Avoiding updates, except in rare occasions, just keeps digging a deeper and deeper "compatibility/incompatibility" hole that is going to eventually have to be gotten out of.  There is a reason that the group rules state:  The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

That's not there because it's my personal preference (though I'll admit that it is) but because no software maker, and certainly not NVAccess or Microsoft, is going to try to maintain perpetual backward compatibility.  Computing is a stream, and one must really become accustomed to flowing with it as a matter of best practice whenever possible.  Eventually, choice completely leaves the picture.

Even though NVDA remains compatible with Windows 7 at the moment, the writing is clearly on the wall about that not continuing all that much longer.  Windows 8.1 is less than a year from sunset/end of life.  The expectation that the entire Windows ecosystem under which NVDA and its add-ons are being used will be one that is in support in order for it to be discussed here is not optional.  I continue to allow the discussion of NVDA under Windows 7 because so long as it does remain backward compatible with Windows 7 that version of NVDA remains on-topic.  But upon release of the first version of NVDA that is not compatible with Windows 7, then all things Windows 7 and earlier will be, as they have been, relegated to the Chat Subgroup or to other venues.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin



gene I still use outlook express one of the things that windows 10 does and you can clarify some of the older programs that people used with XP we liked and in my opinion Microsoft has no business telling people to update, they should and could have improved XP and Internet explorer, you and I just and Bryan and some others on this list feel or should I say have different   opinions or beliefs, if it ain't broken don't fix it and also this windows 11 some of us don't have the money to by another computer.    

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

Windows 10 is similar to Windows7.  There are new features and some things are in different places but Windows is Windows. 

When I started using Windows 10, I could do almost everything I did in Windows 7 with almost no learning.  I did learn about certain new features and some minor changes but I was able to use almost everything I knew from Windows 7.

Whenever you hear claims such as that This new version of Windows is much harder or much different than the proceeding one, be skeptical.  I've heard this over and over.  It is seldom true. 

there is all sorts of misinformation and equivalent of rumors circulated in the blind computer using community and lists like this and general  blindness technology lists are places where you can ask about what you hear that is discouraging and find out if there is anything to it. 

Gene

On 4/4/2022 2:56 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



Brian some of us blind people have trouble with windows10 don't no weather you are blind or sited it is a lot easier for a sited person than some of us blind people to use a computer, some of us are not very techie and some people have a lot of trouble with windows10. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

-
Gene,

Logic dictates that this issue has arisen with whatever versions of NVDA and Weather Plus that Mr. Machise already has, or the question would not have arisen in the first place.

But putting that aside, it is a very, very bad idea to suggest not updating software in general as updates become available.  This is particularly so with NVDA and its add-ons.

Avoiding updates, except in rare occasions, just keeps digging a deeper and deeper "compatibility/incompatibility" hole that is going to eventually have to be gotten out of.  There is a reason that the group rules state:  The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

That's not there because it's my personal preference (though I'll admit that it is) but because no software maker, and certainly not NVAccess or Microsoft, is going to try to maintain perpetual backward compatibility.  Computing is a stream, and one must really become accustomed to flowing with it as a matter of best practice whenever possible.  Eventually, choice completely leaves the picture.

Even though NVDA remains compatible with Windows 7 at the moment, the writing is clearly on the wall about that not continuing all that much longer.  Windows 8.1 is less than a year from sunset/end of life.  The expectation that the entire Windows ecosystem under which NVDA and its add-ons are being used will be one that is in support in order for it to be discussed here is not optional.  I continue to allow the discussion of NVDA under Windows 7 because so long as it does remain backward compatible with Windows 7 that version of NVDA remains on-topic.  But upon release of the first version of NVDA that is not compatible with Windows 7, then all things Windows 7 and earlier will be, as they have been, relegated to the Chat Subgroup or to other venues.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin



Brian some of us blind people have trouble with windows10 don't no weather you are blind or sited it is a lot easier for a sited person than some of us blind people to use a computer, some of us are not very techie and some people have a lot of trouble with windows10. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

-
Gene,

Logic dictates that this issue has arisen with whatever versions of NVDA and Weather Plus that Mr. Machise already has, or the question would not have arisen in the first place.

But putting that aside, it is a very, very bad idea to suggest not updating software in general as updates become available.  This is particularly so with NVDA and its add-ons.

Avoiding updates, except in rare occasions, just keeps digging a deeper and deeper "compatibility/incompatibility" hole that is going to eventually have to be gotten out of.  There is a reason that the group rules state:  The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

That's not there because it's my personal preference (though I'll admit that it is) but because no software maker, and certainly not NVAccess or Microsoft, is going to try to maintain perpetual backward compatibility.  Computing is a stream, and one must really become accustomed to flowing with it as a matter of best practice whenever possible.  Eventually, choice completely leaves the picture.

Even though NVDA remains compatible with Windows 7 at the moment, the writing is clearly on the wall about that not continuing all that much longer.  Windows 8.1 is less than a year from sunset/end of life.  The expectation that the entire Windows ecosystem under which NVDA and its add-ons are being used will be one that is in support in order for it to be discussed here is not optional.  I continue to allow the discussion of NVDA under Windows 7 because so long as it does remain backward compatible with Windows 7 that version of NVDA remains on-topic.  But upon release of the first version of NVDA that is not compatible with Windows 7, then all things Windows 7 and earlier will be, as they have been, relegated to the Chat Subgroup or to other venues.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

On Apr 4, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Joseph Machise <jdmachise@...> wrote:

Brian some of us blind people have trouble with windows10 don't no weather you are blind or sited it is a lot easier for a sited person than some of us blind people to use a computer, some of us are not very techie and some people have a lot of trouble with windows10. 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

-
Gene,

Logic dictates that this issue has arisen with whatever versions of NVDA and Weather Plus that Mr. Machise already has, or the question would not have arisen in the first place.

But putting that aside, it is a very, very bad idea to suggest not updating software in general as updates become available.  This is particularly so with NVDA and its add-ons.

Avoiding updates, except in rare occasions, just keeps digging a deeper and deeper "compatibility/incompatibility" hole that is going to eventually have to be gotten out of.  There is a reason that the group rules state:  The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

That's not there because it's my personal preference (though I'll admit that it is) but because no software maker, and certainly not NVAccess or Microsoft, is going to try to maintain perpetual backward compatibility.  Computing is a stream, and one must really become accustomed to flowing with it as a matter of best practice whenever possible.  Eventually, choice completely leaves the picture.

Even though NVDA remains compatible with Windows 7 at the moment, the writing is clearly on the wall about that not continuing all that much longer.  Windows 8.1 is less than a year from sunset/end of life.  The expectation that the entire Windows ecosystem under which NVDA and its add-ons are being used will be one that is in support in order for it to be discussed here is not optional.  I continue to allow the discussion of NVDA under Windows 7 because so long as it does remain backward compatible with Windows 7 that version of NVDA remains on-topic.  But upon release of the first version of NVDA that is not compatible with Windows 7, then all things Windows 7 and earlier will be, as they have been, relegated to the Chat Subgroup or to other venues.
-- 

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be. 

    ~ Betty Rollin



Brian some of us blind people have trouble with windows10 don't no weather you are blind or sited it is a lot easier for a sited person than some of us blind people to use a computer, some of us are not very techie and some people have a lot of trouble with windows10. 

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 2:56 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 02:32 PM, Gene wrote:

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

-
Gene,

Logic dictates that this issue has arisen with whatever versions of NVDA and Weather Plus that Mr. Machise already has, or the question would not have arisen in the first place.

But putting that aside, it is a very, very bad idea to suggest not updating software in general as updates become available.  This is particularly so with NVDA and its add-ons.

Avoiding updates, except in rare occasions, just keeps digging a deeper and deeper "compatibility/incompatibility" hole that is going to eventually have to be gotten out of.  There is a reason that the group rules state:  The discussion of software on the NVDA Group is limited to software currently in support.  Depending on the type of software, specific version numbers will change with time.  Users are expected to know what remains in support and what has been dropped, and announcements will be made to this group when new software is released. It should be assumed that, when a new version of software is released, primary discussion will take place on that version, not versions of software which are years old. 

That's not there because it's my personal preference (though I'll admit that it is) but because no software maker, and certainly not NVAccess or Microsoft, is going to try to maintain perpetual backward compatibility.  Computing is a stream, and one must really become accustomed to flowing with it as a matter of best practice whenever possible.  Eventually, choice completely leaves the picture.

Even though NVDA remains compatible with Windows 7 at the moment, the writing is clearly on the wall about that not continuing all that much longer.  Windows 8.1 is less than a year from sunset/end of life.  The expectation that the entire Windows ecosystem under which NVDA and its add-ons are being used will be one that is in support in order for it to be discussed here is not optional.  I continue to allow the discussion of NVDA under Windows 7 because so long as it does remain backward compatible with Windows 7 that version of NVDA remains on-topic.  But upon release of the first version of NVDA that is not compatible with Windows 7, then all things Windows 7 and earlier will be, as they have been, relegated to the Chat Subgroup or to other venues.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

No that does not come with win7. I can’t remember if sapi 5 voices will work with 7, it’s been 5 years since I touched a win7 machine.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2022 12:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

And, if that's too hard, try one of the 1Core voices, or do those not come with Win7. It's been years upon years since I used Win7, so I don't really honestly recall.

 

Chris.

On 4/4/2022 2:08 PM, Gene wrote:

If you are saying you lose speech when you try to install the add-on, I have no idea why.  At this point, we don't even know if the synthesizer you are using has anything to do with the problem.  You can try using a different synthesizer, E-Speakk, for example.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:59 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



gene updated it by going to the site for some reason my NVDA won't update with the new one with this speach thanks will be back lader on.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

What problem are you having with eloquence?  I don't see what Eloquence has to do with the problem.  The add-on uses whatever voice you are using with NVDA.  Also, you haven't told us just how you are looking for an upgrade and what happens. 

Do you know that you can go to the web site and install the current version of the add-on?  You will be asked by NVDA at some point if you want to install the new version.  If you say yes, the new version will be installed over the old one.  Any settings in the old one will be kept.  You don't have to upgrade by using the upgrade offered in the add-on itself.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:29 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



my windows7 won't take it with the eloquence not as techey as some of you are.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:52 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:

thanks did the best that I can.

-
To be clear, that was directed at Adriano.

You have to make sure that you have both the latest NVDA and the latest Weather Plus versions before this can really go anywhere.  If you don't have them, you now have more than enough information to get them and get them installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

 

 

Can you use the version of the weather add-on you currently have?  If it does what you want and you don't want to upgrade NVDA, then use the current version of the add-on.  If you can no longer use it later, then worry about upgrading NVDA.

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

And, if that's too hard, try one of the 1Core voices, or do those not come with Win7. It's been years upon years since I used Win7, so I don't really honestly recall.

Chris.

If you are saying you lose speech when you try to install the add-on, I have no idea why.  At this point, we don't even know if the synthesizer you are using has anything to do with the problem.  You can try using a different synthesizer, E-Speakk, for example.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:59 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



gene updated it by going to the site for some reason my NVDA won't update with the new one with this speach thanks will be back lader on.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

What problem are you having with eloquence?  I don't see what Eloquence has to do with the problem.  The add-on uses whatever voice you are using with NVDA.  Also, you haven't told us just how you are looking for an upgrade and what happens. 

Do you know that you can go to the web site and install the current version of the add-on?  You will be asked by NVDA at some point if you want to install the new version.  If you say yes, the new version will be installed over the old one.  Any settings in the old one will be kept.  You don't have to upgrade by using the upgrade offered in the add-on itself.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:29 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



my windows7 won't take it with the eloquence not as techey as some of you are.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

 

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:52 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:

thanks did the best that I can.

-
To be clear, that was directed at Adriano.

You have to make sure that you have both the latest NVDA and the latest Weather Plus versions before this can really go anywhere.  If you don't have them, you now have more than enough information to get them and get them installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

 

 

They don't come with Windows 7. 

Gene

On 4/4/2022 2:14 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

And, if that's too hard, try one of the 1Core voices, or do those not come with Win7. It's been years upon years since I used Win7, so I don't really honestly recall.

Chris.

On 4/4/2022 2:08 PM, Gene wrote:

If you are saying you lose speech when you try to install the add-on, I have no idea why.  At this point, we don't even know if the synthesizer you are using has anything to do with the problem.  You can try using a different synthesizer, E-Speakk, for example.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:59 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



gene updated it by going to the site for some reason my NVDA won't update with the new one with this speach thanks will be back lader on.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

What problem are you having with eloquence?  I don't see what Eloquence has to do with the problem.  The add-on uses whatever voice you are using with NVDA.  Also, you haven't told us just how you are looking for an upgrade and what happens. 

Do you know that you can go to the web site and install the current version of the add-on?  You will be asked by NVDA at some point if you want to install the new version.  If you say yes, the new version will be installed over the old one.  Any settings in the old one will be kept.  You don't have to upgrade by using the upgrade offered in the add-on itself.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:29 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



my windows7 won't take it with the eloquence not as techey as some of you are.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:52 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:

thanks did the best that I can.

-
To be clear, that was directed at Adriano.

You have to make sure that you have both the latest NVDA and the latest Weather Plus versions before this can really go anywhere.  If you don't have them, you now have more than enough information to get them and get them installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

And, if that's too hard, try one of the 1Core voices, or do those not come with Win7. It's been years upon years since I used Win7, so I don't really honestly recall.

Chris.

On 4/4/2022 2:08 PM, Gene wrote:

If you are saying you lose speech when you try to install the add-on, I have no idea why.  At this point, we don't even know if the synthesizer you are using has anything to do with the problem.  You can try using a different synthesizer, E-Speakk, for example.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:59 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



gene updated it by going to the site for some reason my NVDA won't update with the new one with this speach thanks will be back lader on.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

What problem are you having with eloquence?  I don't see what Eloquence has to do with the problem.  The add-on uses whatever voice you are using with NVDA.  Also, you haven't told us just how you are looking for an upgrade and what happens. 

Do you know that you can go to the web site and install the current version of the add-on?  You will be asked by NVDA at some point if you want to install the new version.  If you say yes, the new version will be installed over the old one.  Any settings in the old one will be kept.  You don't have to upgrade by using the upgrade offered in the add-on itself.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:29 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



my windows7 won't take it with the eloquence not as techey as some of you are.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:52 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:

thanks did the best that I can.

-
To be clear, that was directed at Adriano.

You have to make sure that you have both the latest NVDA and the latest Weather Plus versions before this can really go anywhere.  If you don't have them, you now have more than enough information to get them and get them installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin

If you are saying you lose speech when you try to install the add-on, I have no idea why.  At this point, we don't even know if the synthesizer you are using has anything to do with the problem.  You can try using a different synthesizer, E-Speakk, for example.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:59 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



gene updated it by going to the site for some reason my NVDA won't update with the new one with this speach thanks will be back lader on.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

What problem are you having with eloquence?  I don't see what Eloquence has to do with the problem.  The add-on uses whatever voice you are using with NVDA.  Also, you haven't told us just how you are looking for an upgrade and what happens. 

Do you know that you can go to the web site and install the current version of the add-on?  You will be asked by NVDA at some point if you want to install the new version.  If you say yes, the new version will be installed over the old one.  Any settings in the old one will be kept.  You don't have to upgrade by using the upgrade offered in the add-on itself.

Gene

On 4/4/2022 12:29 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:



my windows7 won't take it with the eloquence not as techey as some of you are.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2022 1:26 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Adding A City To The Weather Add-On

On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:52 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:

thanks did the best that I can.

-
To be clear, that was directed at Adriano.

You have to make sure that you have both the latest NVDA and the latest Weather Plus versions before this can really go anywhere.  If you don't have them, you now have more than enough information to get them and get them installed.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Scratch most feminists and underneath there is a woman who longs to be a sex object. The difference is that is not all she wants to be.

    ~ Betty Rollin