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Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Guys,


I just got a new job which I am now doing volunteer, which is awesome, as I've been out of work for quite some time. But anyway, I digress.


I'm curious to know how well NVDA works in combination with the version of Excel which comes with an Office 365 anual subscription. Particularly, I'm interested in how it works with Braille.


For instance, how does NVDA handle showing you on a display the bounderies of each cell, and telling you the coordinates. I know it will speak them, but I'm not sure with a display how that works.


Basically, what I'll be doing is, I'll be putting song titles in one column, then in another column over to the right of that, I'll be putting the page/number of the song as it locationally appears in our church hymnal.


then, finally, I'll want to then alphabetically sort the left most column with the titles, so that each title is in alphabetical order for easier reference.


I assume with a braille display, this will be easy enough to do, then to go back and tacticly review on the display?


Chris.
Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Christopher,

Firstly congratulations on the new job, I wish you every success with it!

Yes, NVDA works well with Excel 365.  With your braille display, NVDA should show the cell contents, followed by the cell coordinates.  So it will read "Title A1", "Number A2" for instance.

With the cell boundaries you mentioned, did you mean the coordinates (as above) or how the cells fit together?  If you have text in a cell which is wider than the current cell, NVDA will report "cropped" if there is text in the cell to the right (and thus the text is cut off visually), or "overflowing" if there is no text in the cell to the right and so the text from this cell visually flows across into that cell.  This is both read aloud and also displayed after the contents and before the coordinates on the display, eg "Here is too much text for this cell.  Cropped C7"

If you want to brush up your skills on Excel with NVDA, there is the Microsoft Excel with NVDA training material from: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-excel-training-for-nvda-ebook/

Otherwise, if you do get stuck with anything in particular, do shout out.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 5:32 AM Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Guys,


I just got a new job which I am now doing volunteer, which is awesome,
as I've been out of work for quite some time. But anyway, I digress.


I'm curious to know how well NVDA works in combination with the version
of Excel which comes with an Office 365 anual subscription.
Particularly, I'm interested in how it works with Braille.


For instance, how does NVDA handle showing you on a display the
bounderies of each cell, and telling you the coordinates. I know it will
speak them, but I'm not sure with a display how that works.


Basically, what I'll be doing is, I'll be putting song titles in one
column, then in another column over to the right of that, I'll be
putting the page/number of the song as it locationally appears in our
church hymnal.


then, finally, I'll want to then alphabetically sort the left most
column with the titles, so that each title is in alphabetical order for
easier reference.


I assume with a braille display, this will be easy enough to do, then to
go back and tacticly review on the display?


Chris.








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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

I am not going to be using Excel to the extreme that I feel I'd need the corse right now, absolutely no offense at all meant by that.


I'm not going to be working with numbers or anything or functions/formulas etc, but more-or-less will just be using it kind of as a way to make a table.


Why my boss doesn't just do a table inside of Word, I don't know, but this is how he wants it, so... yeah...


When I spoke of the bounderies, I meant the ladder. Basically, if something were cropped overflowing.


My mom who used to work with Excel all the time, as she was an accountant and later a property manager, told me there are ways to make Excel automatically stretch the cells no matter how wide they need to be so it never overflows, and crops things off. She didn't know how to tell me to do it though from a screen reader perspective.


Can you give me those steps? This way, we'd never have to really worry about it?


Chris.

On 4/4/2022 10:19 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Christopher,

Firstly congratulations on the new job, I wish you every success with it!

Yes, NVDA works well with Excel 365.  With your braille display, NVDA should show the cell contents, followed by the cell coordinates.  So it will read "Title A1", "Number A2" for instance.

With the cell boundaries you mentioned, did you mean the coordinates (as above) or how the cells fit together?  If you have text in a cell which is wider than the current cell, NVDA will report "cropped" if there is text in the cell to the right (and thus the text is cut off visually), or "overflowing" if there is no text in the cell to the right and so the text from this cell visually flows across into that cell.  This is both read aloud and also displayed after the contents and before the coordinates on the display, eg "Here is too much text for this cell.  Cropped C7"

If you want to brush up your skills on Excel with NVDA, there is the Microsoft Excel with NVDA training material from: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-excel-training-for-nvda-ebook/

Otherwise, if you do get stuck with anything in particular, do shout out.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 5:32 AM Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Guys,


I just got a new job which I am now doing volunteer, which is awesome,
as I've been out of work for quite some time. But anyway, I digress.


I'm curious to know how well NVDA works in combination with the version
of Excel which comes with an Office 365 anual subscription.
Particularly, I'm interested in how it works with Braille.


For instance, how does NVDA handle showing you on a display the
bounderies of each cell, and telling you the coordinates. I know it will
speak them, but I'm not sure with a display how that works.


Basically, what I'll be doing is, I'll be putting song titles in one
column, then in another column over to the right of that, I'll be
putting the page/number of the song as it locationally appears in our
church hymnal.


then, finally, I'll want to then alphabetically sort the left most
column with the titles, so that each title is in alphabetical order for
easier reference.


I assume with a braille display, this will be easy enough to do, then to
go back and tacticly review on the display?


Chris.








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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Brian Vogel
 

See message , in the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group topic, 

Auto fitting text in Excel cells

This question has made the rounds many, many times, and almost certainly will again.
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