HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

OK, looks like there was an app for it, but, no more! So NVDA does not support either the tripletalk USB or either tripletalk portable or any of that ilk of synthesizers, like the douetalk portable. Just recently, like a couple days ago I saw an add by somebody who should know better, as in an organization for the blind and I'll definitely let them know.

It's unfortunate that someone is liable to spend $200 for what use to be a viable synthesizer but is no more, except by antiquated software.


On 4/14/2022 11:46 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

Not everyone needs to use the latest version of NVDA, or people can switch, depending on what they are doing between the latest version and an older version if there is a reason to do so. 

If I really liked the Double talk, I might use it with an older version of NVDA if that older version would meet my needs.  Or, let's say I wanted to use it for a specific purpose, such as reading text.  I might use it with Notepad or a Word processor.  People far too often think of software as on or off, you use it for everything or not. 

Since the Double or Triple Talk costs money, and is  evidently not that cheap, I might not want to buy one, but if I had one and I wanted to use it, I would see how well the latest version of NVDA that supports the add-on would meet my needs.

I might also agitate to get someone to update the add-on so it would work with the new versions of NVDA. 

In short, don't just give up if you want to use something that is important to you.

Gene

On 4/14/2022 4:32 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

OK, looks like there was an app for it, but, no more! So NVDA does not support either the tripletalk USB or either tripletalk portable or any of that ilk of synthesizers, like the douetalk portable. Just recently, like a couple days ago I saw an add by somebody who should know better, as in an organization for the blind and I'll definitely let them know.

It's unfortunate that someone is liable to spend $200 for what use to be a viable synthesizer but is no more, except by antiquated software.


On 4/14/2022 11:46 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

Just wanted to add, that don't forget you could grab an earlier release of NVDA which works with the desired TTS and install a portable copy of NVDA with older version to a flash drive.

I know it isn't the most elegant of solutions but if you depend on a TTS then this idea is better than no fix at all.

HTH

On 14/04/2022 22:53, Gene wrote:

Not everyone needs to use the latest version of NVDA, or people can switch, depending on what they are doing between the latest version and an older version if there is a reason to do so. 

If I really liked the Double talk, I might use it with an older version of NVDA if that older version would meet my needs.  Or, let's say I wanted to use it for a specific purpose, such as reading text.  I might use it with Notepad or a Word processor.  People far too often think of software as on or off, you use it for everything or not. 

Since the Double or Triple Talk costs money, and is  evidently not that cheap, I might not want to buy one, but if I had one and I wanted to use it, I would see how well the latest version of NVDA that supports the add-on would meet my needs.

I might also agitate to get someone to update the add-on so it would work with the new versions of NVDA. 

In short, don't just give up if you want to use something that is important to you.

Gene

On 4/14/2022 4:32 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

OK, looks like there was an app for it, but, no more! So NVDA does not support either the tripletalk USB or either tripletalk portable or any of that ilk of synthesizers, like the douetalk portable. Just recently, like a couple days ago I saw an add by somebody who should know better, as in an organization for the blind and I'll definitely let them know.

It's unfortunate that someone is liable to spend $200 for what use to be a viable synthesizer but is no more, except by antiquated software.


On 4/14/2022 11:46 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

but, in order to use the latest updates to the OS or the features therein, it is necessary to have the latest version of a screen reader since that screen readers' manufacturer knows about the OS or other important software. My point is that voice synthesizers such as double/triple talk should not be ignored because someone forgets or cannot update their "addon" when such an add on should not be an add on but an incorporated supported hardware synthesizer such as the DecTalk Express which was sold in this century with it's software, "decaccess32" supported by jaws up to about ten years ago if you had the GW-Micro DecAccess32 installed.

The thing is, just last week or so, BlindMiceMart was attempting to sell a mini TripleTalk claiming it was supported by NVDA, when, we know it is not even way back to 2018 or so, just to make a few bux it seems to me, which just is not ethical whatsoever.

On 4/14/2022 2:53 PM, Gene wrote:

Not everyone needs to use the latest version of NVDA, or people can switch, depending on what they are doing between the latest version and an older version if there is a reason to do so. 

If I really liked the Double talk, I might use it with an older version of NVDA if that older version would meet my needs.  Or, let's say I wanted to use it for a specific purpose, such as reading text.  I might use it with Notepad or a Word processor.  People far too often think of software as on or off, you use it for everything or not. 

Since the Double or Triple Talk costs money, and is  evidently not that cheap, I might not want to buy one, but if I had one and I wanted to use it, I would see how well the latest version of NVDA that supports the add-on would meet my needs.

I might also agitate to get someone to update the add-on so it would work with the new versions of NVDA. 

In short, don't just give up if you want to use something that is important to you.

Gene

On 4/14/2022 4:32 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

OK, looks like there was an app for it, but, no more! So NVDA does not support either the tripletalk USB or either tripletalk portable or any of that ilk of synthesizers, like the douetalk portable. Just recently, like a couple days ago I saw an add by somebody who should know better, as in an organization for the blind and I'll definitely let them know.

It's unfortunate that someone is liable to spend $200 for what use to be a viable synthesizer but is no more, except by antiquated software.


On 4/14/2022 11:46 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...

As to whether hardware synthesizer support should be added to the core, I don't have an opinion.  I would think it would depend on the demand and the amount of work involved. 

While some people would want the latest version of NVDA, for many users, they may not benefit or be interested in the latest features and/or abilities. 

I can use a version of NVDA that is a number of years old and it meets all my needs.  If I had more or other needs, that might not be the case.
If I switched to Windows 11, I don't know if that would be the case.

Gene

On 4/19/2022 1:45 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

but, in order to use the latest updates to the OS or the features therein, it is necessary to have the latest version of a screen reader since that screen readers' manufacturer knows about the OS or other important software. My point is that voice synthesizers such as double/triple talk should not be ignored because someone forgets or cannot update their "addon" when such an add on should not be an add on but an incorporated supported hardware synthesizer such as the DecTalk Express which was sold in this century with it's software, "decaccess32" supported by jaws up to about ten years ago if you had the GW-Micro DecAccess32 installed.

The thing is, just last week or so, BlindMiceMart was attempting to sell a mini TripleTalk claiming it was supported by NVDA, when, we know it is not even way back to 2018 or so, just to make a few bux it seems to me, which just is not ethical whatsoever.

On 4/14/2022 2:53 PM, Gene wrote:

Not everyone needs to use the latest version of NVDA, or people can switch, depending on what they are doing between the latest version and an older version if there is a reason to do so. 

If I really liked the Double talk, I might use it with an older version of NVDA if that older version would meet my needs.  Or, let's say I wanted to use it for a specific purpose, such as reading text.  I might use it with Notepad or a Word processor.  People far too often think of software as on or off, you use it for everything or not. 

Since the Double or Triple Talk costs money, and is  evidently not that cheap, I might not want to buy one, but if I had one and I wanted to use it, I would see how well the latest version of NVDA that supports the add-on would meet my needs.

I might also agitate to get someone to update the add-on so it would work with the new versions of NVDA. 

In short, don't just give up if you want to use something that is important to you.

Gene

On 4/14/2022 4:32 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

OK, looks like there was an app for it, but, no more! So NVDA does not support either the tripletalk USB or either tripletalk portable or any of that ilk of synthesizers, like the douetalk portable. Just recently, like a couple days ago I saw an add by somebody who should know better, as in an organization for the blind and I'll definitely let them know.

It's unfortunate that someone is liable to spend $200 for what use to be a viable synthesizer but is no more, except by antiquated software.


On 4/14/2022 11:46 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...

I don't know.

I mean probably but really most hardware synths were serial.

Even though some pcs do now get serial ports like lenovos there surely aren't that many old synths about.

Pluss windows never liked serial devices directly connecting to them.

Maybe win95 tollerated and to an extent 98 but xp not so much.

Yes there are usb devices but how many actually use one or can afford one.

Hardware synths are really good say in a linux environment or where there isn't a sound card but thats almost not an issue anymore.

The only reason maybe would be a server but even so.

On 20/04/2022 9:02 am, Gene wrote:

As to whether hardware synthesizer support should be added to the core, I don't have an opinion.  I would think it would depend on the demand and the amount of work involved. 

While some people would want the latest version of NVDA, for many users, they may not benefit or be interested in the latest features and/or abilities. 

I can use a version of NVDA that is a number of years old and it meets all my needs.  If I had more or other needs, that might not be the case.
If I switched to Windows 11, I don't know if that would be the case.

Gene

On 4/19/2022 1:45 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

but, in order to use the latest updates to the OS or the features therein, it is necessary to have the latest version of a screen reader since that screen readers' manufacturer knows about the OS or other important software. My point is that voice synthesizers such as double/triple talk should not be ignored because someone forgets or cannot update their "addon" when such an add on should not be an add on but an incorporated supported hardware synthesizer such as the DecTalk Express which was sold in this century with it's software, "decaccess32" supported by jaws up to about ten years ago if you had the GW-Micro DecAccess32 installed.

The thing is, just last week or so, BlindMiceMart was attempting to sell a mini TripleTalk claiming it was supported by NVDA, when, we know it is not even way back to 2018 or so, just to make a few bux it seems to me, which just is not ethical whatsoever.

On 4/14/2022 2:53 PM, Gene wrote:

Not everyone needs to use the latest version of NVDA, or people can switch, depending on what they are doing between the latest version and an older version if there is a reason to do so. 

If I really liked the Double talk, I might use it with an older version of NVDA if that older version would meet my needs.  Or, let's say I wanted to use it for a specific purpose, such as reading text.  I might use it with Notepad or a Word processor.  People far too often think of software as on or off, you use it for everything or not. 

Since the Double or Triple Talk costs money, and is  evidently not that cheap, I might not want to buy one, but if I had one and I wanted to use it, I would see how well the latest version of NVDA that supports the add-on would meet my needs.

I might also agitate to get someone to update the add-on so it would work with the new versions of NVDA. 

In short, don't just give up if you want to use something that is important to you.

Gene

On 4/14/2022 4:32 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

OK, looks like there was an app for it, but, no more! So NVDA does not support either the tripletalk USB or either tripletalk portable or any of that ilk of synthesizers, like the douetalk portable. Just recently, like a couple days ago I saw an add by somebody who should know better, as in an organization for the blind and I'll definitely let them know.

It's unfortunate that someone is liable to spend $200 for what use to be a viable synthesizer but is no more, except by antiquated software.


On 4/14/2022 11:46 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...

There are USB to serial adapters.  I would imagine that they, or some of them, work well or reasonably well, or else the add-on wouldn't have been developed.

Gene

On 4/19/2022 4:12 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I don't know.

I mean probably but really most hardware synths were serial.

Even though some pcs do now get serial ports like lenovos there surely aren't that many old synths about.

Pluss windows never liked serial devices directly connecting to them.

Maybe win95 tollerated and to an extent 98 but xp not so much.

Yes there are usb devices but how many actually use one or can afford one.

Hardware synths are really good say in a linux environment or where there isn't a sound card but thats almost not an issue anymore.

The only reason maybe would be a server but even so.

On 20/04/2022 9:02 am, Gene wrote:

As to whether hardware synthesizer support should be added to the core, I don't have an opinion.  I would think it would depend on the demand and the amount of work involved. 

While some people would want the latest version of NVDA, for many users, they may not benefit or be interested in the latest features and/or abilities. 

I can use a version of NVDA that is a number of years old and it meets all my needs.  If I had more or other needs, that might not be the case.
If I switched to Windows 11, I don't know if that would be the case.

Gene

On 4/19/2022 1:45 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

but, in order to use the latest updates to the OS or the features therein, it is necessary to have the latest version of a screen reader since that screen readers' manufacturer knows about the OS or other important software. My point is that voice synthesizers such as double/triple talk should not be ignored because someone forgets or cannot update their "addon" when such an add on should not be an add on but an incorporated supported hardware synthesizer such as the DecTalk Express which was sold in this century with it's software, "decaccess32" supported by jaws up to about ten years ago if you had the GW-Micro DecAccess32 installed.

The thing is, just last week or so, BlindMiceMart was attempting to sell a mini TripleTalk claiming it was supported by NVDA, when, we know it is not even way back to 2018 or so, just to make a few bux it seems to me, which just is not ethical whatsoever.

On 4/14/2022 2:53 PM, Gene wrote:

Not everyone needs to use the latest version of NVDA, or people can switch, depending on what they are doing between the latest version and an older version if there is a reason to do so. 

If I really liked the Double talk, I might use it with an older version of NVDA if that older version would meet my needs.  Or, let's say I wanted to use it for a specific purpose, such as reading text.  I might use it with Notepad or a Word processor.  People far too often think of software as on or off, you use it for everything or not. 

Since the Double or Triple Talk costs money, and is  evidently not that cheap, I might not want to buy one, but if I had one and I wanted to use it, I would see how well the latest version of NVDA that supports the add-on would meet my needs.

I might also agitate to get someone to update the add-on so it would work with the new versions of NVDA. 

In short, don't just give up if you want to use something that is important to you.

Gene

On 4/14/2022 4:32 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

OK, looks like there was an app for it, but, no more! So NVDA does not support either the tripletalk USB or either tripletalk portable or any of that ilk of synthesizers, like the douetalk portable. Just recently, like a couple days ago I saw an add by somebody who should know better, as in an organization for the blind and I'll definitely let them know.

It's unfortunate that someone is liable to spend $200 for what use to be a viable synthesizer but is no more, except by antiquated software.


On 4/14/2022 11:46 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...

I need the download link for the add-on, and somehow couldn't find it in the legacy addons list for NVDA. I do have a version of NVDA  which can use the addon.

THANKS

On 4/19/2022 2:51 PM, Gene wrote:

Unless there is a newer version of the add-on, the latest version of NVDA that can be used with it is 2019.3.  Do you want the download link or do you not want to use a version of NVDA that is that old?

Gene

On 4/19/2022 4:21 PM, Gene wrote:

There are USB to serial adapters.  I would imagine that they, or some of them, work well or reasonably well, or else the add-on wouldn't have been developed.

Gene

On 4/19/2022 4:12 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

I don't know.

I mean probably but really most hardware synths were serial.

Even though some pcs do now get serial ports like lenovos there surely aren't that many old synths about.

Pluss windows never liked serial devices directly connecting to them.

Maybe win95 tollerated and to an extent 98 but xp not so much.

Yes there are usb devices but how many actually use one or can afford one.

Hardware synths are really good say in a linux environment or where there isn't a sound card but thats almost not an issue anymore.

The only reason maybe would be a server but even so.

On 20/04/2022 9:02 am, Gene wrote:

As to whether hardware synthesizer support should be added to the core, I don't have an opinion.  I would think it would depend on the demand and the amount of work involved. 

While some people would want the latest version of NVDA, for many users, they may not benefit or be interested in the latest features and/or abilities. 

I can use a version of NVDA that is a number of years old and it meets all my needs.  If I had more or other needs, that might not be the case.
If I switched to Windows 11, I don't know if that would be the case.

Gene

On 4/19/2022 1:45 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

but, in order to use the latest updates to the OS or the features therein, it is necessary to have the latest version of a screen reader since that screen readers' manufacturer knows about the OS or other important software. My point is that voice synthesizers such as double/triple talk should not be ignored because someone forgets or cannot update their "addon" when such an add on should not be an add on but an incorporated supported hardware synthesizer such as the DecTalk Express which was sold in this century with it's software, "decaccess32" supported by jaws up to about ten years ago if you had the GW-Micro DecAccess32 installed.

The thing is, just last week or so, BlindMiceMart was attempting to sell a mini TripleTalk claiming it was supported by NVDA, when, we know it is not even way back to 2018 or so, just to make a few bux it seems to me, which just is not ethical whatsoever.

On 4/14/2022 2:53 PM, Gene wrote:

Not everyone needs to use the latest version of NVDA, or people can switch, depending on what they are doing between the latest version and an older version if there is a reason to do so. 

If I really liked the Double talk, I might use it with an older version of NVDA if that older version would meet my needs.  Or, let's say I wanted to use it for a specific purpose, such as reading text.  I might use it with Notepad or a Word processor.  People far too often think of software as on or off, you use it for everything or not. 

Since the Double or Triple Talk costs money, and is  evidently not that cheap, I might not want to buy one, but if I had one and I wanted to use it, I would see how well the latest version of NVDA that supports the add-on would meet my needs.

I might also agitate to get someone to update the add-on so it would work with the new versions of NVDA. 

In short, don't just give up if you want to use something that is important to you.

Gene

On 4/14/2022 4:32 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

OK, looks like there was an app for it, but, no more! So NVDA does not support either the tripletalk USB or either tripletalk portable or any of that ilk of synthesizers, like the douetalk portable. Just recently, like a couple days ago I saw an add by somebody who should know better, as in an organization for the blind and I'll definitely let them know.

It's unfortunate that someone is liable to spend $200 for what use to be a viable synthesizer but is no more, except by antiquated software.


On 4/14/2022 11:46 AM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI! Seems to me that the NVDA project supported or supports the doubletalk / tripletalk synthesizer. Who knows which?

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
curtis@...