Windows mail with NVDA usable?
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Daniel Sommerfeld
Hi all.
I have tried Windows mail with NVDA and it seems to me, that it is not usable. Is it really not usable or is that a microsoft app thing. Means, do i have to download it from a different source to get an accessible version? Regards Daniel |
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Luke Davis
Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
I have tried Windows mail with NVDA and it seems to me, that it is not usable.It depends on what you are trying to do with it. For very basic reading, writing, and forwarding, it works well enough. Some of its folder actions, selection options, etc., are not so very accessible. Better to use Thunderbird or Outlook if you can. Luke |
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Daniel Sommerfeld
Hi Luke.
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Well i entered windows mail in the windows search field and it opened but i didn't even manage to set up an account. To me with NVDA it looked like a bluescreen. Is there a not so expensive way to use outlook? I mean, the pricing is kind of high, because you can only seem to purchase outlook with extras, that i don't need. Is there something like a plane outlook? Regards Daniel Am 19.05.2022 um 10:44 schrieb Luke Davis: Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:I have tried Windows mail with NVDA and it seems to me, that it is not usable.It depends on what you are trying to do with it. |
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Michael Micallef at FITA
Why don't try mozilla thunderbird there also becky mail which cost fraction of the outlook
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Michael Micallef ICT Accessibility IT Officer Foundation for Information Technology Accessibility +356 2599 2343 michael.micallef@... www.fitamalta.eu FITA Gattard House, National Road, Blata l-Bajda, HMR9010, Malta -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Sommerfeld via groups.io Sent: Thursday, 19 May 2022 11:21 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows mail with NVDA usable? CAUTION: This email originated from OUTSIDE the Government Email Infrastructure. DO NOT CLICK LINKS or OPEN attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. Hi Luke. Well i entered windows mail in the windows search field and it opened but i didn't even manage to set up an account. To me with NVDA it looked like a bluescreen. Is there a not so expensive way to use outlook? I mean, the pricing is kind of high, because you can only seem to purchase outlook with extras, that i don't need. Is there something like a plane outlook? Regards Daniel Am 19.05.2022 um 10:44 schrieb Luke Davis: Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:I have tried Windows mail with NVDA and it seems to me, that it isIt depends on what you are trying to do with it. |
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Gene
What problems are you having? If you are referring to the Mail app,
for use with Windows 10 and 11, it is usable, but I think it is a
bad idea to use it and I would strongly recommend Thunderbird
instead.
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I tried using it with GMail and, though deleting messages in the app means they no longer show in the app, they are still left on the server. Over time, you would have an enormous number of messages left in GMail, I believe still in the inbox. Wherever they are, they are just taking up space. Since I only tried the program with GMail, I don't know what might happen with other servers but I wouldn't want to take the chance. If you still want to try the app, let us know what problems you are having and we can discuss them. For example, f9 is the command to download messages. Gene On 5/19/2022 3:24 AM, Daniel Sommerfeld
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Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Describe to us the steps you took to set up an account?
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On 5/19/2022 3:21 AM, Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
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Daniel Sommerfeld
Hi Rob, Michael and Gene.
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As i said, i don't even get to the account setup settings because with NVDA i seem to have a bluescreen. A sighted person could see all the things but that doesn't really help me. I can not say why, but i am not 100 percent satisfied with Thunderbird. It is just a feeling. No logical reasons. And Michael, What is becky mail? I've never heard of it before. Am 19.05.2022 um 11:44 schrieb Robert Doc Wright godfearer: Describe to us the steps you took to set up an account? |
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Chris Mullins
Hi I use the Mail app in Windows 10 and it is usable but rather less than feature rich. If you are happy with something basic it will be OK. Cheers Chris Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Luke Davis
Sent: 19 May 2022 09:44 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows mail with NVDA usable?
Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
> I have tried Windows mail with NVDA and it seems to me, that it is not > usable.
It depends on what you are trying to do with it. For very basic reading, writing, and forwarding, it works well enough.
Some of its folder actions, selection options, etc., are not so very accessible.
Better to use Thunderbird or Outlook if you can.
Luke
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Gene
Since I don't know when you tried it, your feelings might be because
the program wasn't as accessible as it has become in the last few
years. There is a Thunderbird add-on that allows you to use first
letter navigation in the folder's tree view. There is an NVDA
add-on that allows you to change the order in which headers are
shown and which ones are.
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Many commands are what you would use in standard Windows e-mail programs, control r to reply, control n for new, for example, and autocomplete for addresses works well. In short, if you don't know why you didn't like it, I would hope that you try it again. I don't like to see people pay for an e-mail program unless they have needs that go beyond the typical users. I've used Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail, and Thunderbird. I liked Outlook Express the most from an accessibility standpoint, but with the improvements in Thunderbird accessibility, I consider both programs to be about equal now. Gene On 5/19/2022 5:13 AM, Daniel Sommerfeld
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Gene
I should add that Thunderbird has a portable version and that is the
version I use. I use it because I can keep a backup and, if
anything goes wrong with the program, I don't have to troubleshoot
or reinstall. All I have to do is to remove the Thunderbird folder
and copy the backup folder to the original location.
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And If I get a new computer, I don't have to install it. All I have to do is to copy the Thunderbird folder from my old computer or from a backup on an external drive to the new computer. I know you can install Thunderbird and then transfer your profile to the new installation and that may easily accomplish the same thing but it is still faster and easier to just copy the program. And the program may become corrupt, though unlikely, and require reinstallation. As I said, with the portable version, you just delete a folder and copy the backup folder. As I said, the portable version has advantages I think are worth considering. Gene On 5/19/2022 7:03 AM, Gene wrote:
Since I don't know when you tried it, your feelings might be because the program wasn't as accessible as it has become in the last few years. There is a Thunderbird add-on that allows you to use first letter navigation in the folder's tree view. There is an NVDA add-on that allows you to change the order in which headers are shown and which ones are. |
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Gene
For those using the installed Thunderbird, here is an article about
how to transfer your profile. The article doesn't say this, but I
think the profile should be backed up as you would any information
you don't want to lose.
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https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/how-to-move-your-thunderbird-profile-email-to-a-new-windows-computer/ While the procedure as written isn't difficult, it is still faster and easier to copy the portable folder and also not spend time installing the program first. The information in this article looks reliable but I don't have other knowledge of it. Others may want to comment. Gene On 5/19/2022 7:13 AM, Gene wrote:
I should add that Thunderbird has a portable version and that is the version I use. I use it because I can keep a backup and, if anything goes wrong with the program, I don't have to troubleshoot or reinstall. All I have to do is to remove the Thunderbird folder and copy the backup folder to the original location. |
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Peter Beasley
My only problem with Windows Mail is that there is not a deleted items folder.
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From: Chris Mullins
Sent: 19 May 2022 11:40 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows mail with NVDA usable?
Hi I use the Mail app in Windows 10 and it is usable but rather less than feature rich. If you are happy with something basic it will be OK. Cheers Chris Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Luke Davis
Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
> I have tried Windows mail with NVDA and it seems to me, that it is not > usable.
It depends on what you are trying to do with it. For very basic reading, writing, and forwarding, it works well enough.
Some of its folder actions, selection options, etc., are not so very accessible.
Better to use Thunderbird or Outlook if you can.
Luke
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Chris Mullins
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From: Peter Beasley
Sent: 19 May 2022 14:36 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows mail with NVDA usable?
My only problem with Windows Mail is that there is not a deleted items folder.
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From: Chris Mullins
Hi I use the Mail app in Windows 10 and it is usable but rather less than feature rich. If you are happy with something basic it will be OK. Cheers Chris Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Luke Davis
Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
> I have tried Windows mail with NVDA and it seems to me, that it is not > usable.
It depends on what you are trying to do with it. For very basic reading, writing, and forwarding, it works well enough.
Some of its folder actions, selection options, etc., are not so very accessible.
Better to use Thunderbird or Outlook if you can.
Luke
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Daniel Sommerfeld
Hi all.
Wow. I didn't expect that much feedback from you. So i just took the last mail but the reply goes to all of you, who wrote about this topic.
Thank you for your feedback, points of view and especially thank you for the hint with the portable version of Thunderbird. I should give it another chance. I was just used to using windows things and so i was thinking, that it is still good. Microsofts seems to send all of thair products down hill. *grins* But this is off topic. :-)
Thank you again. You all helped me a lot.
Regards Daniel Am 19.05.2022 um 15:45 schrieb Chris
Mullins:
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Luke Davis
Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
As i said, i don't even get to the account setup settings because with NVDA i seem to have a bluescreen. A sighted person could see all the things but that doesn't really help me.Please try running the COM Registration Fixing tool in NVDA's tools menu (NVDA+N, T, R, Enter). That may help with this and it won't hurt anything to try. Then restart the machine and try with mail again. Oh, and you shouldn't need to type "windows mail", just "mail". Lastly: I agree with the others--use something else if you can. But still try the above tool, because if it would have fixed anything, it means other things are probably not as accessible as they could be. Luke |
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hurrikennyandopo ...
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Not sure if you are aware there is a tutorial for the windows mail program on my website. The following link will put you on the page where it is at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html When you get to it jump down by headings until you hear the one for the windows mail app. I also have one for mozilla thunder bird at http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html Any of the nvda tutorials can be gotten to from any of there pages unlike the blindness related stuff. Hope it helps. Gene nz On 19/05/2022 8:24 pm, Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
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Arlene
, I use windows mail on here with my gmail account. It’s not a problem. I do from time to time check mail on the gmail site so it’s not kept on the server. I tried installing thunderbird on my system and I could not put gmail on it.
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From: Gene
Sent: May 19, 2022 2:41 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows mail with NVDA usable?
What problems are you having? If you are referring to the Mail app, for use with Windows 10 and 11, it is usable, but I think it is a bad idea to use it and I would strongly recommend Thunderbird instead. On 5/19/2022 3:24 AM, Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
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Arlene
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From: Peter Beasley
Sent: May 19, 2022 6:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows mail with NVDA usable?
My only problem with Windows Mail is that there is not a deleted items folder.
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From: Chris Mullins
Hi I use the Mail app in Windows 10 and it is usable but rather less than feature rich. If you are happy with something basic it will be OK. Cheers Chris Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Luke Davis
Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
> I have tried Windows mail with NVDA and it seems to me, that it is not > usable.
It depends on what you are trying to do with it. For very basic reading, writing, and forwarding, it works well enough.
Some of its folder actions, selection options, etc., are not so very accessible.
Better to use Thunderbird or Outlook if you can.
Luke
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Gene
I don't know what problem you had. Thunderbird has a good utility
for automatically finding information needed to create accounts if
you furnish usernames and passwords.
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I don't know how many people have the problem of messages being left to pile up on servers, but its something people who use the program should be aware of and check when they first start using it. Since I have the problem, others should check when they first start using the program to see if they do. I can't generalize from my experience and I may have written as though I was. But what I meant to say is that since I have this behavior, people should check. Gene On 5/19/2022 5:15 PM, Arlene wrote:
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On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 06:15 PM, Arlene wrote:
I tried installing thunderbird on my system and I could not put gmail on it.- Arlene, I can't, and won't, argue about your personal experience. But I will say, from vast personal and professional experience, that Thunderbird and Gmail play perfectly well together in every instance where I've set the two up with each other. No modern email client which remains in support, of which Thunderbird is but one, can afford to be either completely incompatible with or difficult to configure with Google Mail. As a general statement, there is no issue between Thunderbird and Gmail. It handles the whole OAUTH setup process in a manner very similar to the way Outlook does. And, of course, Thunderbird is probably the most reliably accessible full-featured email client other than Outlook. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 You can't crush ideas by suppressing them. You can only crush them by ignoring them. |
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