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NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Gene
 

I see no meaningful benefit to doing any of that.  If the computer still works well as it is, you might get more life from it by replacing the hard drive but then again, the hard drive might last for years longer. 

Gene

On 6/7/2022 8:59 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

That is pretty old.

I wonder if it would benefit from a completely clean install of windows and your other applications?
That, and replacing the spinning drive with a solid state one if it still has a conventional hard drive might get a couple more years out of it.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 7, 2022 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Hi Group,

OK, I should have mentioned this in my original post. The computer is an 
8 year old AMD clone with 16 GB RAM and a 6 core processor.


On 6/7/2022 2:59 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

Ron Canazzi wrote:


I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.

What's older?  What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?


After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.

Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for 
several hours instead?


I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working 
because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.

Can you give an example of that?


if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it 
had crashed and needed to be restarted.

Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless 
of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you 
think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing 
the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke







    

    

  


					


				
				
				
			

			
			

				
	

	

	
	

		
			

				
					

					

				
				

					

						
						
					

				

			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
				

	



			
		
			
				
	

		
			
			

			
			
			

				

					


						
							
								
	
		
			
		
		
  
	
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That is pretty old.

I wonder if it would benefit from a completely clean install of windows and your other applications?
That, and replacing the spinning drive with a solid state one if it still has a conventional hard drive might get a couple more years out of it.

				
					
					

					


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 7, 2022 9:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Hi Group,

OK, I should have mentioned this in my original post. The computer is an 
8 year old AMD clone with 16 GB RAM and a 6 core processor.


On 6/7/2022 2:59 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older?  What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for 
several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working 
because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it 
had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless 
of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you 
think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing 
the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke




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Hi Group,

OK, I should have mentioned this in my original post. The computer is an 8 year old AMD clone with 16 GB RAM and a 6 core processor.

				
					
					

					


On 6/7/2022 2:59 AM, Luke Davis wrote:
Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older?  What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke




					


				
				

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Running it via the batch file I posted the other day might allow you to see the previous log easily, simply go back to before the shut down command in the log and see if anything untoward is happening while its idling.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Luke Davis" <luke@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer


Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older?  What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke




					


				
				
				
			

			
			

				
	

	

	
	

		
			

				
					

					

				
				

					

						
						
					

				

			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
				

	



			
		
			
				
	

		
			
			

			
			
			

				

					


						
							
								
	
		
			
		
		
  
	
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I don't consider 2015 old myself, as they seem to work very well even if its still got windows 7 on it as well. I'm at a loss, unless you have something else running like a malware spotter  or something. It cannot even be the sound card driver tendency to go to sleep if you get other sounds without a pregnant pause. What do the individual audio controls show. You might need sighted help for that while its in the sulk mode. Could it have somehow rebooted and decided there was no sound device? A look at the previous log after a reboot might show something up.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer


Hi Ron,

I'm not sure what yu mean by  "older".
I am using an hp desktop with a core i5 sixth gen processor with nvda.
I bought this pc used about 3 years ago.
So it could have been  first used in 2015-16.
On a daily basis, I leave  it running with nvda set to  speechoff;  in the morning I press insert plus s to turn the speech back on.
Never had this problem.
Yes, I have had problems trying to switch from nvda to narrator  or a jaws demo,  but not nvda.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 6, 2022 11:02 PM
To: NVDA Official Group <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Hi Group,

Has anyone seen something like the following.  I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.  I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.

What could cause this and is there a remedy?


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Ron Canazzi wrote:

I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up.
What's older?  What does winver say when you run it?

What kind of sound device?
What version of NVDA?
What add-ons are you running?

After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work.
Does the same happen with Narrator, if you leave that running for several hours instead?

I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.
Can you give an example of that?

if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.
Please explain that.
NVDA will always restart when you press its shortcut key, regardless of whether it had been running, crashed, or stopped before.
What, in the way it acts when you press the shortcut key, makes you think it is recovering from a crash? How is it different than pressing the shortcut key while NVDA is working normally?

Luke

				
				
				
			

			
			

				
	

	

	
	

		
			

				
					

					

				
				

					

						
						
					

				

			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
				

	



			
		
			
				
	

		
			
			

			
			
			

				

					


						
							
								
	
		
			
		
		
  
	
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Hi, I too seen this with an older windows ten computer.  My windows ten computer is 3 years old and I’ve seen this crash with Jaws.  Not NVDA. I issued the hot key for NVDA to see if it ran. It did.  
 
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From: Gene
Sent: June 6, 2022 10:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer
 
I have no such problem and I'm using an old computer.  

You can find out if NVDA is still running or mostly running buy running another screen-reader while not issuing the run command for NVDA.  Then, when another screen-reader is running, issue the command to open the NVDA menu.  If the menu opens then something has crashed in NVDA but the program overall is still running.  

Whatever the case, since issuing the run command either runs NVDA or closes it and runs it again, it is an interesting question what is occurring, but a very minor problem with a very easy work around.

Gene

On 6/7/2022 12:02 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group, 

Has anyone seen something like the following.  I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.  I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted. 

What could cause this and is there a remedy? 

 
 

					


				
				
				
			

			
			

				
	

	

	
	

		
			

				
					

					

				
				

					

						
						
					

				

			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
				

	



			
		
			
				
	

		
			
			

			
			
			

				

					


						
							
								
	
		
			
		
		
  
	
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    I have no such problem and I'm using an old computer.  

    

    You can find out if NVDA is still running or mostly running buy
    running another screen-reader while not issuing the run command for
    NVDA.  Then, when another screen-reader is running, issue the
    command to open the NVDA menu.  If the menu opens then something has
    crashed in NVDA but the program overall is still running.  

    

    Whatever the case, since issuing the run command either runs NVDA or
    closes it and runs it again, it is an interesting question what is
    occurring, but a very minor problem with a very easy work around.

    

    Gene

    


      On 6/7/2022 12:02 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

    

    

				
					
					

					


Hi
      Group,
      

      

      Has anyone seen something like the following.  I use an older
      Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it
      for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no
      sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices
      is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed
      work.  I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey
      used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and
      needed to be restarted.
      

      

      What could cause this and is there a remedy?
      

      

      

    

    

  


					


				
				
				
			

			
			

				
	

	

	
	

		
			

				
					

					

				
				

					

						
						
					

				

			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
				

	



			
		
			
				
	

		
			
			

			
			
			

				

					


						
							
								
	
		
			
		
		
  
	
    Monte Single
	

	

							
						
					

					

						
							


						
						 
						
							
							
						
						
					

				

			

			

			


Hi Ron,

I'm not sure what yu mean by  "older".
I am using an hp desktop with a core i5 sixth gen processor with nvda.
I bought this pc used about 3 years ago.
So it could have been  first used in 2015-16.
On a daily basis, I leave  it running with nvda set to  speechoff;  in the morning I press insert plus s to turn the speech back on.
Never had this problem.
Yes, I have had problems trying to switch from nvda to narrator  or a jaws demo,  but not nvda.

				
					
					

					


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: June 6, 2022 11:02 PM
To: NVDA Official Group <nvda@groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA may Crash with inactivity on older Windows 10 computer

Hi Group,

Has anyone seen something like the following.  I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.  I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.

What could cause this and is there a remedy?


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Hi Group,

Has anyone seen something like the following.  I use an older Windows 10 computer for storage and back up. After not touching it for several hours, NVDA does not work. That is to say, there is no sound output. I know the main sound card through which NVDA voices is working because other sounds I can play with hotkeys do indeed work.  I can't really say if it crashes, but if I press the hotkey used to launch it, it seems to reload as if it had crashed and needed to be restarted.

What could cause this and is there a remedy?


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