Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox
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Ali Colak
Hello everyone,
I have been having a problem for a while using NVDA on firefox. I've asked the firefox forums because I thought it was a firefox problem, but no help there. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1380217#answer-1513242 Also, when I tested with JAWS and asked my mother to use without screen reader no problem. The problem basicly is that when I'm brousing through a channel, videos after several months do not load. This is not the case on chrome, using JAWS on firefox or without a screen reader, where I can go right back to the earliest video available on that channel. But on firefox, using NVDA the videos stop loading after a while. Any suggestions? I'm not even precisely sure where the problem lies, as NVDA with chrome doesn't have the same problem, and firefox with JAWS doesn't have the same problem, but NVDA with firefox does. |
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Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
when you try to open the video does it throw an error or just do nothing? Em sáb., 18 de jun. de 2022 às 15:21, Ali Colak <alish54@...> escreveu: Hello everyone, --
eduardo fermiano luccas joinville, brasil músico e editor de áldio iniciante |
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Ali Colak
Problem isn't with the videos themselves, its with the list of videos,
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the video page. If I can get to the link it loads fine, but if I am going down the channels previous videos, the display doen't load after a certain time period. Lets say I'm going through a list with videos going back to 2017, videos I now are there, the list stops at 10 months ago, and doesn't load anymore, under the conditions I described previously. On 6/18/22, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
when you try to open the video does it throw an error or just do nothing? |
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JM Casey
I think this is because of the way a lot of modern webpages are designed to keep scrolling and scrolling once it's detectedt hat the user reaches a certain point.
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Try going to the bottom of what you can see on the page, and hitting tab or something. This should cause the list to scroll a bit more. You may have to keep doing this repeatedly. Its'a pain in the butt for sure and we can thank mobile devices, I think, for bringing about this web trend. -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Colak Sent: June 18, 2022 06:29 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox Problem isn't with the videos themselves, its with the list of videos, the video page. If I can get to the link it loads fine, but if I am going down the channels previous videos, the display doen't load after a certain time period. Lets say I'm going through a list with videos going back to 2017, videos I now are there, the list stops at 10 months ago, and doesn't load anymore, under the conditions I described previously. On 6/18/22, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote: when you try to open the video does it throw an error or just do nothing? |
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I will say this, again: These kinds of issues cannot be successfully discussed or solved in the abstract.
A single URL, two for good measure, of pages where this behavior exhibits itself would go a very long way in helping potential assistants to try to figure out what may be occurring. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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JM Casey
Not sure if I just inferred this and maybe it’s not the case, but I thought they were talking about the youtube display page, either for one’s personal recommendations ora channel one clicks on to see their uploads. I too have experienced this sort of thing (though it doesn’t matter what screen-reader or browser it is in my case), and yes, it’s usuallyb ecause the page is not scrolling as you navigate with the screen-reader. You have to actually do something actively witht eh page in order to make it scroll – such as moving the mouse pointer.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 18, 2022 06:48 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox
I will say this, again: These kinds of issues cannot be successfully discussed or solved in the abstract. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 06:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:
but I thought they were talking about the youtube display page,- I don't care what is being talked about. Specific examples are NOT optional when you want others to troubleshoot. This is not news, or rocket science. Those doing diagnostics all need to be on in this case literally the same page. I've seen people load mobile pages, by intent, on computers and the behavior is very different for these. No matter what it is, a single example, and preferably several, should be provided when asking this kind of question. That's anywhere, not just on this group. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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Gene
I suspect the explanation in the below message is the answer.
However, on pages like this, where content is added as you scroll,
just going to the bottom of the page doesn't necessarily cause the
desired action to happen. You may have to scroll to the place or to
near the place where the additional information should appear.
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For example, on Youtube video pages, if I just move to the bottom of a page, that won't cause the comments to appear. If I move down the page and get to the place in the page where the comments should appear, the page will scroll and comments will appear. So you may have to move down a page, by using page down and then down arrowing a bit and then using page down again, etc. If that doesn't work, you may have to quickly down arrow through a page until you see what you want. This is inexcusably bad page design and it means that find won't work reliably when searching a page. Gene On 6/18/2022 5:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I think this is because of the way a lot of modern webpages are designed to keep scrolling and scrolling once it's detectedt hat the user reaches a certain point. Try going to the bottom of what you can see on the page, and hitting tab or something. This should cause the list to scroll a bit more. You may have to keep doing this repeatedly. Its'a pain in the butt for sure and we can thank mobile devices, I think, for bringing about this web trend. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ali Colak Sent: June 18, 2022 06:29 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox Problem isn't with the videos themselves, its with the list of videos, the video page. If I can get to the link it loads fine, but if I am going down the channels previous videos, the display doen't load after a certain time period. Lets say I'm going through a list with videos going back to 2017, videos I now are there, the list stops at 10 months ago, and doesn't load anymore, under the conditions I described previously. On 6/18/22, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:when you try to open the video does it throw an error or just do nothing? Em sáb., 18 de jun. de 2022 às 15:21, Ali Colak <alish54@...> escreveu:Hello everyone, I have been having a problem for a while using NVDA on firefox. I've asked the firefox forums because I thought it was a firefox problem, but no help there. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1380217#answer-1513242 Also, when I tested with JAWS and asked my mother to use without screen reader no problem. The problem basicly is that when I'm brousing through a channel, videos after several months do not load. This is not the case on chrome, using JAWS on firefox or without a screen reader, where I can go right back to the earliest video available on that channel. But on firefox, using NVDA the videos stop loading after a while. Any suggestions? I'm not even precisely sure where the problem lies, as NVDA with chrome doesn't have the same problem, and firefox with JAWS doesn't have the same problem, but NVDA with firefox does.-- eduardo fermiano luccas joinville, brasil músico e editor de áldio iniciante |
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Gene
on the pages I've used that scroll, I don't have to move the mouse
pointer. Simply moving down the page to the point where it should
scroll will result in it scrolling. If you move beyond that point
such as by moving to the bottom of the page, the page won't scroll.
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Gene On 6/18/2022 5:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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JM Casey
It’s inconsistent behaviour. The script on the page has to interpret that youv’e done something “active” to make it scroll; sometimes just using browse mode/virtual buffer as you normally would does not do it. I tend to find that youtube works better with chrome than Firefox (and probably with other chromium-based browsers as well) in the sense that it’s not very responsive with firefox, so that is probablyw hy the OP thinks this problem only exists with firefox, at a guess.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 18, 2022 07:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox
on the pages I've used that scroll, I don't have to move the mouse pointer. Simply moving down the page to the point where it should scroll will result in it scrolling. If you move beyond that point such as by moving to the bottom of the page, the page won't scroll. On 6/18/2022 5:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:
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Ali Colak
Specific examples, in this case, are completely useless, regardless of
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weather they are mandatory or optional. The behavior is consistant over youtube pages. I will post a couple below however. I also wanted to send the log in debug mode, but though I looked in temp I couldn't find it there, as I had done before. If anyone can tellme where to find it, or if clipping pasting the log after opening log viewer in debug mode will due, I can send that as well. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOmDqU1bEk_jHOsfP9aLWsw/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/TarihObas%C4%B1/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/Freecodecamp/videos On 6/18/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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Ali Colak
In addition, I am using the latest updates of windows, firefox and
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NVDA, though this problem has been going on for a while. On 6/19/22, Ali Colak via groups.io <alish54@...> wrote:
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Gene
Even if the behavior is the same, it is still important to furnish
at least one link. You talked about a page with a lot of videos
going back for years. People aren't going to search for channels to
find one that meets those requirements. At least one relevant link
is important to give.
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Gene On 6/18/2022 11:46 PM, Ali Colak wrote:
Specific examples, in this case, are completely useless, regardless of weather they are mandatory or optional. The behavior is consistant over youtube pages. I will post a couple below however. I also wanted to send the log in debug mode, but though I looked in temp I couldn't find it there, as I had done before. If anyone can tellme where to find it, or if clipping pasting the log after opening log viewer in debug mode will due, I can send that as well. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOmDqU1bEk_jHOsfP9aLWsw/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/TarihObas%C4%B1/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/Freecodecamp/videos On 6/18/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 06:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:but I thought they were talking about the youtube display page,- I don't care what is being talked about. Specific examples are NOT optional when you want others to troubleshoot. This is not news, or rocket science. Those doing diagnostics all need to be on in this case literally the same page. I've seen people load mobile pages, by intent, on computers and the behavior is very different for these. No matter what it is, a single example, and preferably several, should be provided when asking this kind of question. That's anywhere, not just on this group. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill. |
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nvdainth@...
I use this trick
go to end of page which you found end of load video then press NVDA+space to focus mode and press down the more video will load then press NVDA+space to browse mode normally repeat these step when you want load more video or playlist in Youtube on Firefox |
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Gene
There is nothing wrong with how Firefox or any other browser is
working with the page.
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To see all the uploads, do the following: Find the button that says uploads. Turn browse mode off. \Tab and shift tab to be sure you are on the button. Press the space bar. Down arrow to all videos and press enter. Return to browse mode. Move to the bottom of the page and below the last item, there is a next button. Activate it with the space bar. You will see more videos if there are more. As far as I can tell, you will be able to see everything uploaded in that way by following the next button until you have moved to the earliest videos. Gene On 6/18/2022 11:46 PM, Ali Colak wrote:
Specific examples, in this case, are completely useless, regardless of weather they are mandatory or optional. The behavior is consistant over youtube pages. I will post a couple below however. I also wanted to send the log in debug mode, but though I looked in temp I couldn't find it there, as I had done before. If anyone can tellme where to find it, or if clipping pasting the log after opening log viewer in debug mode will due, I can send that as well. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOmDqU1bEk_jHOsfP9aLWsw/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/TarihObas%C4%B1/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/Freecodecamp/videos On 6/18/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 06:51 PM, JM Casey wrote:but I thought they were talking about the youtube display page,- I don't care what is being talked about. Specific examples are NOT optional when you want others to troubleshoot. This is not news, or rocket science. Those doing diagnostics all need to be on in this case literally the same page. I've seen people load mobile pages, by intent, on computers and the behavior is very different for these. No matter what it is, a single example, and preferably several, should be provided when asking this kind of question. That's anywhere, not just on this group. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill. |
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Ali Colak
I had tried tabbing before but didn't work, the focus mode and down
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arrow however, did the trick. Thanks On 6/19/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Yes if the list is really long it goes very like a search engine, and after the selected number of results, you get next, or more or some other link or button to go through the next page, often it will tell you haw many pages there are but not always. I have also had some strange things like the mute button on the audio track mysteriously being enabled, but that is a whole other issue and may well be google trying to be helpful to screenreader users!
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From: <nvdainth@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox I use this trick go to end of page which you found end of load video then press NVDA+space to focus mode and press down the more video will load then press NVDA+space to browse mode normally repeat these step when you want load more video or playlist in Youtube on Firefox |
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I just go by heading. I was looking back for about 3 or so years this way. This though in chrome. This was on someone’s youtube page last night. I would open the videos in separate windows this way I could keep my place.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of nvdainth@...
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 10:16 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Older videos do not load while brousing through channel in video on firefox
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On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 12:46 AM, Ali Colak wrote:
Specific examples, in this case, are completely useless, regardless of- No, they're not. As Gene pointed out, there are lots of "short" YouTube pages. Forcing others to look around when you can (and did now) give an example or two is both rude and silly. Also, the posting of logs is not permitted on the group. If someone requests a log file, it should be sent privately. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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The simplest solution I've found to this problem is making sure you're in focus mode then hitting the End key. On every YouTube video page I've tried (and those are the ones offered) each successive press of the End key causes the next "chunk" of videos that occur after what's currently already on display to load. You have to be in Focus mode, as the use of End in this context is a browser keyboard command.
I constantly use both Home and End to shoot to the beginning/end (respectively) of fixed size web pages and will now probably start using End a lot more to trigger "next batch" loading at the current end of a page that loads contents in "chunks." -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill |
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