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Dear all, I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of each but I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too frequently have I been encountering instances wherein Spacebar/Enter simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu item, dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in the page arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated, or I am thrown into another window altogether. This happens on commonplace websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less complex and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to enter focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to manually move around the navigator object to the control and press NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to it and then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing the browser's window or closing some other programs whose window may be interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then, sometimes, none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a significant minority of cases and enough to be a significant inconvenience. I face this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it more than I do Edge. I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my issue lacks examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should ideally be reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my experience, this problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect. Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use when Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have you found one web browser to fare better than another in this respect (say Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)? I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions. Kind Regards, Bhavya Shah B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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dude, try pressing alt + tab or: f5
it's a matter of exiting and returning from the window without close
but, you will still have to locate the item sometimes
Dear all,
I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of each but
I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too
frequently have I been encountering instances wherein Spacebar/Enter
simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu item,
dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in the page
arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated, or I am
thrown into another window altogether. This happens on commonplace
websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less complex
and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to enter
focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to manually move
around the navigator object to the control and press
NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually
reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to it and
then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing the
browser's window or closing some other programs whose window may be
interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then, sometimes,
none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a
minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a significant
minority of cases and enough to be a significant inconvenience. I face
this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it more
than I do Edge.
I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my issue lacks
examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should ideally be
reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my experience, this
problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been
reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect.
Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use when
Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have you
found one web browser to fare better than another in this respect (say
Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)?
I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions.
Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
-- eduardo fermiano luccas joinville, brasil músico e editor de áldio iniciante
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Sarah k Alawami
I actually just had this fail today in firefox at www.trailhead.com. In fact the thing was off screen when I went into document mode to be sure the page had actually changed, or not changed. Chrome did something worse where the thing would not even activate when I typed in my query on trailhead’s salesforce settings when creating a permission set. I had to go through the whole interface to find where the thing was I had to modify. I then had an add button that would not become active. No, alt tabbing did not work. It took me 3 days to get this assignment done because of that little hiccup. I did get it done but with much hair pulling.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 3:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Frequently Unable to Press Elements On The Web dude, try pressing alt + tab it's a matter of exiting and returning from the window without close but, you will still have to locate the item sometimes Dear all,
I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of each but
I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too
frequently have I been encountering instances wherein Spacebar/Enter
simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu item,
dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in the page
arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated, or I am
thrown into another window altogether. This happens on commonplace
websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less complex
and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to enter
focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to manually move
around the navigator object to the control and press
NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually
reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to it and
then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing the
browser's window or closing some other programs whose window may be
interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then, sometimes,
none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a
minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a significant
minority of cases and enough to be a significant inconvenience. I face
this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it more
than I do Edge.
I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my issue lacks
examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should ideally be
reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my experience, this
problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been
reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect.
Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use when
Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have you
found one web browser to fare better than another in this respect (say
Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)?
I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions.
Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
-- eduardo fermiano luccas músico e editor de áldio iniciante
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In my view, this is the web site. I know not enough about page authoring but it seems to me that its normally repeatable on the same objects on the same pages. Indeed on one in the Google email settings it threw me completely out to the desktop and when I found the browser again, it had gone to an earlier page.
Its very hard to judge exactly why, but because there are more than one issues here, it could be that its just too complex to resolve. Dunno.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Frequently Unable to Press Elements On The Web I actually just had this fail today in firefox at www.trailhead.com < http://www.trailhead.com> . In fact the thing was off screen when I went into document mode to be sure the page had actually changed, or not changed. Chrome did something worse where the thing would not even activate when I typed in my query on trailhead’s salesforce settings when creating a permission set. I had to go through the whole interface to find where the thing was I had to modify. I then had an add button that would not become active. No, alt tabbing did not work. It took me 3 days to get this assignment done because of that little hiccup. I did get it done but with much hair pulling. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2022 3:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Frequently Unable to Press Elements On The Web dude, try pressing alt + tab or: f5 it's a matter of exiting and returning from the window without close but, you will still have to locate the item sometimes Em sáb., 18 de jun. de 2022 às 15:36, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@... <mailto:bhavya.shah125@...> > escreveu: Dear all, I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of each but I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too frequently have I been encountering instances wherein Spacebar/Enter simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu item, dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in the page arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated, or I am thrown into another window altogether. This happens on commonplace websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less complex and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to enter focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to manually move around the navigator object to the control and press NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to it and then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing the browser's window or closing some other programs whose window may be interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then, sometimes, none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a significant minority of cases and enough to be a significant inconvenience. I face this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it more than I do Edge. I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my issue lacks examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should ideally be reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my experience, this problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect. Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use when Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have you found one web browser to fare better than another in this respect (say Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)? I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions. Kind Regards, Bhavya Shah B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/-- eduardo fermiano luccas joinville, brasil músico e editor de áldio iniciante
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I also have encountered such kind of issues. I tried few Things, hope it will solve your problem. 1: if you are trying to click on clickable buttons / dialog box / menu items, try to press insert / your nvda key + numpad 5 to took your mouse cursor on the point where your nvda cursor is present. then, press insert+ enter. it will say activated. note: these things are from laptop layout. 2: if you are trying to open any link, try taking arro on that link, and press enter. if click do not happen, simply press up arro, and after K to get again cursor to your link and then press enter. 3: if you are facing issue with dialog box, then after enter, try pressing control+ home / control+ end key to reach top / end of the page. there you will find clickable dialog. click on it, it will show you the dialog. Now a days, these kinds of dialogs are found on lot's of websites. if these things do not work, then 95% that website accessibility has some issues. you may find such issues in menu items, or date filling box. Thank you
Dear all,
I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of each but
I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too
frequently have I been encountering instances wherein Spacebar/Enter
simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu item,
dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in the page
arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated, or I am
thrown into another window altogether. This happens on commonplace
websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less complex
and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to enter
focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to manually move
around the navigator object to the control and press
NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually
reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to it and
then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing the
browser's window or closing some other programs whose window may be
interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then, sometimes,
none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a
minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a significant
minority of cases and enough to be a significant inconvenience. I face
this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it more
than I do Edge.
I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my issue lacks
examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should ideally be
reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my experience, this
problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been
reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect.
Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use when
Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have you
found one web browser to fare better than another in this respect (say
Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)?
I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions.
Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
-- Regards, Abhishek Raut
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1: if you are trying to click on clickable buttons / dialog
box / menu items, try to press insert / your nvda key + numpad
5 to took your mouse cursor on the point where your nvda
cursor is present.
then, press insert+ enter. it will say activated.
note: these things are from laptop layout.
The command NVDA + numpad 5 is a command in the desktop keyboard
layout, not in the laptop keyboard layout.
If you want NVDA to report the current navigator object using the
laptop keyboard layout, use the key command NVDA + shift + O
On 6/19/2022 20:59, Abhishek Raut
wrote:
I also have encountered such kind of issues.
I tried few Things, hope it will solve your problem.
1: if you are trying to click on clickable buttons / dialog
box / menu items, try to press insert / your nvda key + numpad
5 to took your mouse cursor on the point where your nvda
cursor is present.
then, press insert+ enter. it will say activated.
note: these things are from laptop layout.
2: if you are trying to open any link, try taking arro on
that link, and press enter. if click do not happen, simply
press up arro, and after K to get again cursor to your link
and then press enter.
3: if you are facing issue with dialog box, then after
enter, try pressing control+ home / control+ end key to reach
top / end of the page. there you will find clickable dialog.
click on it, it will show you the dialog.
Now a days, these kinds of dialogs are found on lot's of
websites.
if these things do not work, then 95% that website
accessibility has some issues.
you may find such issues in menu items, or date filling
box.
Thank you
Dear all,
I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of
each but
I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too
frequently have I been encountering instances wherein
Spacebar/Enter
simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu
item,
dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in
the page
arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated,
or I am
thrown into another window altogether. This happens on
commonplace
websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less
complex
and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to
enter
focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to
manually move
around the navigator object to the control and press
NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually
reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to
it and
then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing
the
browser's window or closing some other programs whose window
may be
interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then,
sometimes,
none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a
minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a
significant
minority of cases and enough to be a significant
inconvenience. I face
this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it
more
than I do Edge.
I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my
issue lacks
examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should
ideally be
reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my
experience, this
problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been
reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect.
Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use
when
Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have
you
found one web browser to fare better than another in this
respect (say
Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)?
I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions.
Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
--
Regards, Abhishek Raut
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I am using laptop layout, still it works.. I hadn't read documentation so don't know the official description / layout. any ways what things work on my side, simply I shared.
1: if you are trying to click on clickable buttons / dialog
box / menu items, try to press insert / your nvda key + numpad
5 to took your mouse cursor on the point where your nvda
cursor is present.
then, press insert+ enter. it will say activated.
note: these things are from laptop layout.
The command NVDA + numpad 5 is a command in the desktop keyboard
layout, not in the laptop keyboard layout.
If you want NVDA to report the current navigator object using the
laptop keyboard layout, use the key command NVDA + shift + O
On 6/19/2022 20:59, Abhishek Raut
wrote:
I also have encountered such kind of issues.
I tried few Things, hope it will solve your problem.
1: if you are trying to click on clickable buttons / dialog
box / menu items, try to press insert / your nvda key + numpad
5 to took your mouse cursor on the point where your nvda
cursor is present.
then, press insert+ enter. it will say activated.
note: these things are from laptop layout.
2: if you are trying to open any link, try taking arro on
that link, and press enter. if click do not happen, simply
press up arro, and after K to get again cursor to your link
and then press enter.
3: if you are facing issue with dialog box, then after
enter, try pressing control+ home / control+ end key to reach
top / end of the page. there you will find clickable dialog.
click on it, it will show you the dialog.
Now a days, these kinds of dialogs are found on lot's of
websites.
if these things do not work, then 95% that website
accessibility has some issues.
you may find such issues in menu items, or date filling
box.
Thank you
Dear all,
I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of
each but
I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too
frequently have I been encountering instances wherein
Spacebar/Enter
simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu
item,
dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in
the page
arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated,
or I am
thrown into another window altogether. This happens on
commonplace
websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less
complex
and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to
enter
focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to
manually move
around the navigator object to the control and press
NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually
reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to
it and
then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing
the
browser's window or closing some other programs whose window
may be
interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then,
sometimes,
none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a
minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a
significant
minority of cases and enough to be a significant
inconvenience. I face
this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it
more
than I do Edge.
I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my
issue lacks
examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should
ideally be
reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my
experience, this
problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been
reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect.
Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use
when
Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have
you
found one web browser to fare better than another in this
respect (say
Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)?
I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions.
Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
--
Regards, Abhishek Raut
-- Regards, Abhishek Raut
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This does sound like a website layout issue, though I wonder if the
original poster has something else going on? The original message
indicates this happens frequently, which isn't my experience. I was
trying to buy tickets for an event on Eventbright the other day and
encountered a dialog that I couldn't seem to close, but as it was the
purchase dialog, it wasn't an issue. So, a couple questions for the
original poster of this question:
1. Does the issue happen on the same sites every time, or is it the
case that you can go to a site one day and it works and another day
where it doesn't?
2. Can you provide us some links? Without this information, we can't
tell if there's something wrong with your computer or if you just have
a habit of visiting less than accessible websites. It sounds like my
experience meerrors most on this list, where the occasional website
has issues, but most sites work fine. When you say Google for
instance, I assume you're performing a search, but Google has so many
products that that might not be accurate.
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On 6/18/22, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote: Dear all,
I am using NVDA, Firefox, and Edge (latest stable versions of each but
I have been facing such issues for many months now). Far too
frequently have I been encountering instances wherein Spacebar/Enter
simply does not activate a pressable item (link, button, menu item,
dialog, etc.). Either nothing happens, or the focus jumps in the page
arbitrarily, or a different element in the page is activated, or I am
thrown into another window altogether. This happens on commonplace
websites like Google, LinkedIn, and Doordash as well as less complex
and lesser-known websites. In these cases, I sometimes need to enter
focus mode and retry Spacebar/Enter, sometimes need to manually move
around the navigator object to the control and press
NVDA+Shift+Backspace and then NVDA+Enter, sometimes manually
reposition the navigator object and move the mouse pointer to it and
then simulate a left mouse click, and sometimes try maximizing the
browser's window or closing some other programs whose window may be
interfering (like CCleaner and Google Drive). Even then, sometimes,
none of these strategies succeed. This experience applies to a
minority of pressable elements (<50%), but it is a significant
minority of cases and enough to be a significant inconvenience. I face
this more often in Firefox, but that might be because I use it more
than I do Edge.
I would like to acknowledge that (a) the description of my issue lacks
examples and is somewhat generic, and (b) issues should ideally be
reported on GitHub. This is intentional because in my experience, this
problem is pervasive and issues of this kind have already been
reported on GitHub for months(/years?) to little effect.
Do you face such issues as well? What strategies do you use when
Spacebar/Enter doesn't activate a control like it should? Have you
found one web browser to fare better than another in this respect (say
Edge might be more reliable than Firefox)?
I would be deeply grateful for any thoughts and suggestions.
Kind Regards,
Bhavya Shah
B.S. in Mathematical and Computational Science | Stanford '24
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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If this is always happening, see maximizing your browser window helps. Sometimes Windows keeps shrinking the default window size until there is no area to click in.
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