Skipping the advertisements in web browsers.
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Ravindran V.S.
Hi, Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage? Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data? Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ravi.
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Gene
One way to remove advertising is to use an ad blocker. uBlock
Origin is a well thought of ad blocker. It appears to be better
than another popular one, Ad Block Plus (spelling.)
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Another way to block ads is to use the Brave browser. Gene On 6/26/2022 1:05 AM, Ravindran V.S.
wrote:
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David Goldfield
Ravi, Regarding ads you can do more than skip them. Why not block them with an ad blocker such as UBlock Origin. Because ad blockers are not relevant to NVDA itself it would be better to talk about this type of software on the chat subgroup.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ravindran V.S.
Hi, Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage? Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data? Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ravi.
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Ravindran V.S.
Thank you Jene. I use the Chrome as the default. Will try as you suggested.
Thanks, Ravi.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 11:48 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.
One way to remove advertising is to use an ad blocker. uBlock Origin is a well thought of ad blocker. It appears to be better than another popular one, Ad Block Plus (spelling.) On 6/26/2022 1:05 AM, Ravindran V.S. wrote:
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Ravindran V.S.
Thank you David. Let me try your suggestion. Thank you very much for your help. Ravi.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 11:54 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.
Ravi, Regarding ads you can do more than skip them. Why not block them with an ad blocker such as Because ad blockers are not relevant to NVDA itself it would be better to talk about this type of software on the chat subgroup.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Hi, Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage? Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data? Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ravi.
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David Goldfield
I’m not aware of a reliable method to move to the end of a form on a Web page. The Window-Eyes screen reader had this capability and I can see why it would be useful but I don’t believe there’s a way to do it with NVDA. If the capability exists in a third party addon I’m not aware of it but I certainly haven’t looked through all features in all existing addons..
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ravindran V.S.
Thank you David. Let me try your suggestion. Thank you very much for your help. Ravi.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Ravi, Regarding ads you can do more than skip them. Why not block them with an ad blocker such as Because ad blockers are not relevant to NVDA itself it would be better to talk about this type of software on the chat subgroup.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Hi, Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage? Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data? Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ravi.
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Gene
While in browse mode, you could try using the letter b to move by
button. Most forms have a submit button at the end and most fields
in forms aren't buttons. I haven't tried this, but that may be the
fastest way to get to the end of forms in general.
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Gene On 6/26/2022 2:40 AM, David Goldfield
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Ravindran V.S.
Thanks David. Because some times when form fields are repeated, even the advertisements repeats in a page, it is annoying to keep moving till we find the next text. As you both suggested I have added the UBlocker now. Thank you, Ravi.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 1:11 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.
I’m not aware of a reliable method to move to the end of a form on a Web page. The Window-Eyes screen reader had this capability and I can see why it would be useful but I don’t believe there’s a way to do it with NVDA. If the capability exists in a third party addon I’m not aware of it but I certainly haven’t looked through all features in all existing addons..
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Thank you David. Let me try your suggestion. Thank you very much for your help. Ravi.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Ravi, Regarding ads you can do more than skip them. Why not block them with an ad blocker such as Because ad blockers are not relevant to NVDA itself it would be better to talk about this type of software on the chat subgroup.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive news, events and information regarding the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ravindran V.S.
Hi, Is there a simple way to skip the advertisements in a webpage? Instead of pressing the down arrow key several times till the end of the advertisement, any simple way to reach the next required text or data? Also, a same way to skip the form fields in a page? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ravi.
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David Goldfield
Gene, I think you’re right in that searching for buttons may be the fastest way to move to the end of a form. It’s not 100% guaranteed that it will work in all cases since some forms might have more than one button but I think it’s the best that we can do for now.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
While in browse mode, you could try using the letter b to move by button. Most forms have a submit button at the end and most fields in forms aren't buttons. I haven't tried this, but that may be the fastest
way to get to the end of forms in general.
On 6/26/2022 2:40 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
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Ravindran V.S.
Thank you Jene. Let me try this way. Have not noticed that they end with a button. Will focus on that too. Regards, Ravi.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 1:24 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers.
While in browse mode, you could try using the letter b to move by button. Most forms have a submit button at the end and most fields in forms aren't buttons. I haven't tried this, but that may be the fastest way to get to the end of forms in general. On 6/26/2022 2:40 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
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Brian's Mail list account
However, be aware that this is a bit like a war. The sites rely on advertising to pay for them being free to the public. When you block adverts, often this can be seen by the site who might decide to deny access until you allow adverts again. Its all part of the commercial reality of life, sadly.
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What to my mind is needed here is some kind of add on that displays adverts separately from the pages, rather like a split screen system, so the badly formed inaccessible ads we often encounter do not make the actual site almost impossible to navigate for us, but still allows us to see or hear the adverts if we want them. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers. One way to remove advertising is to use an ad blocker. uBlock Origin is
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Brian's Mail list account
Which makes me ask why web site builders often disguise the next button by claiming its a button when its really a link instead.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Skipping the advertisements in web brouzers. While in browse mode, you could try using the letter b to move by
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Nimer Jaber
One way that sometimes works to skip past ads is to press the key to skip past containers, as iframes are examples of containers. On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 2:28 AM Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Which makes me ask why web site builders often disguise the next button by --
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Gene
That is not my experience and I haven't seen anyone else make such
statementss. I rarely come across a page that doesn't work because
an ad blocker is used.
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Gene On 6/26/2022 4:21 AM, Brian's Mail list
account via groups.io wrote:
However, be aware that this is a bit like a war. The sites rely on advertising to pay for them being free to the public. When you block adverts, often this can be seen by the site who might decide to deny access until you allow adverts again. Its all part of the commercial reality of life, sadly.
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One website that I know won't show content if adverts are disabled, is ITV online catch-up. I like to watch The Chase quiz show online, but it won't play the episodes if the browser has an ad blocker active. ITV are even more strict than this, because if you are watching a show and skip to a different webpage (or web browser) while an ITV advert is playing, the advert will pause until the ITV window has focus again! I've never figured out how the advert knows that it doesn't have focus, nor that it has lost focus to a different website, since the advert will continue to play if you switch to a non-internet window such as notepad!
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On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 07:36 AM, Gene wrote:
I rarely come across a page that doesn't work because an ad blocker is used.- Same here, virtually never. I am not doubting those who say they've encountered them, but they are, overall, the rare exception. These days I do get some sites that ask me to turn off my ad blocker, which I don't do. For that very rare website that has refused entry or otherwise misbehaved badly when an adblocker is in use, I find an alternative. I haven't browsed the web without either an ad blocker add-on/extension or using a browser like Brave or Vivaldi that has ad blocking built-in for many years now. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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On Sun, Jun 26, 2022 at 05:27 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Which makes me ask why web site builders often disguise the next button by claiming its a button when its really a link instead.- The rise of the link-button or button-link has mystified me as well. The only reason I can think of to favor this device is because it is a lot more visually distinct than hyperlinks are, and buttons draw visual attention in a very different way than hyperlinks do. I hate the things because unless I do a hover over with the mouse I can't honestly tell someone whether what they're dealing with is a real button or a hyperlink dressed as a button. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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And some forms don't have a physical Submit button coded in html on the page.
Just the word "Submit" that's marked up to be clickable. I've seen that on countless forms. Bad practice in my book. Jason Bratcher
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Gene
If so, when you are at a form, searching for the word submit should
place you on it and thus at the end of the form. Screen-reader
search on web sites is one of the most valuable and underused
screen-reader features.
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Gene On 6/26/2022 10:22 AM, Jason Bratcher
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And some forms don't have a physical Submit button coded in html on the page.
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Well I don't mind adds but its been known that adds can potentially lead to malware.
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I was on a site I used to frequently use. It displayed adds and I worked round them. But one day I was asked to install programs and other activex in internet explorer. I also had sites trying to download trials and other junk onto my system. Anyway I contacted the owner to find out yes they did use an outsourced add system. And this is where the danger is. They had no control of what was on that server or who could use it. They immediately stopped using that system and switched to another but adds while a potential accessible issue are also potentially dangerous. I mean I know we need adds to live just like your youtube videos and heck I don't begrudge websites having apps unless you donate or well buy in, but adds can also do dammage to.
On 26/06/2022 9:21 pm, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
However, be aware that this is a bit like a war. The sites rely on advertising to pay for them being free to the public. When you block adverts, often this can be seen by the site who might decide to deny access until you allow adverts again. Its all part of the commercial reality of life, sadly.
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