Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

Your one seems to be completely blank, at least the ones they sent me had yes, no  maybe on it, for all the good it did me.
Brian

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:

This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

Here is more information.  I just tried this using the Brave browser.  I suspect the results would be the same or similar in any Chrome-based browser.  I saw a lot more fields and checking check boxes with the space bar works.  But be careful you understand what you are checking.  You seem to see different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July     13 and check boxes for different times.

Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes.  All I can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you checking the times for the date you think you are?

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:

This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

Probably a final word at this time:
First, when moving with the Brave browser, stay in browse mode and down arrow through the form. 

Also, I thought I had figured out how this form might be used, but it may be unusable.  There is no can't find a time button and no dialog to enter your name and e-mail address.  I didn't press the submit button when using the brave browser to see what happens.  You can try and maybe you will be asked for the information, which would appear to make the form usable.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:50 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is more information.  I just tried this using the Brave browser.  I suspect the results would be the same or similar in any Chrome-based browser.  I saw a lot more fields and checking check boxes with the space bar works.  But be careful you understand what you are checking.  You seem to see different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July     13 and check boxes for different times.

Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes.  All I can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you checking the times for the date you think you are?

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:

This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

I just tried the submit button and a dialog comes up asking for my name and e-mail address so the form may be usable after all.  But it might be a good idea to verify that you are placing information where you think you are in terms of check boxes and there are one or two check boxes that I don't understand what they do.  Their purpose might be more clear to a sighted user.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:56 AM, Gene wrote:

Probably a final word at this time:
First, when moving with the Brave browser, stay in browse mode and down arrow through the form. 

Also, I thought I had figured out how this form might be used, but it may be unusable.  There is no can't find a time button and no dialog to enter your name and e-mail address.  I didn't press the submit button when using the brave browser to see what happens.  You can try and maybe you will be asked for the information, which would appear to make the form usable.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:50 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is more information.  I just tried this using the Brave browser.  I suspect the results would be the same or similar in any Chrome-based browser.  I saw a lot more fields and checking check boxes with the space bar works.  But be careful you understand what you are checking.  You seem to see different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July     13 and check boxes for different times.

Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes.  All I can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you checking the times for the date you think you are?

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:

This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

I just tried the submit button and a dialog comes up asking for my name and e-mail address so the form may be usable after all.  But it might be a good idea to verify that you are placing information where you think you are in terms of check boxes and there are one or two check boxes that I don't understand what they do.  Their purpose might be more clear to a sighted user.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:56 AM, Gene wrote:

Probably a final word at this time:
First, when moving with the Brave browser, stay in browse mode and down arrow through the form. 

Also, I thought I had figured out how this form might be used, but it may be unusable.  There is no can't find a time button and no dialog to enter your name and e-mail address.  I didn't press the submit button when using the brave browser to see what happens.  You can try and maybe you will be asked for the information, which would appear to make the form usable.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:50 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is more information.  I just tried this using the Brave browser.  I suspect the results would be the same or similar in any Chrome-based browser.  I saw a lot more fields and checking check boxes with the space bar works.  But be careful you understand what you are checking.  You seem to see different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July     13 and check boxes for different times.

Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes.  All I can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you checking the times for the date you think you are?

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a correction and another  minor correction. 
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said that returning to it and repeating the command many times changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work.  Do the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the actual check  box.  Use the numpad insert numpad plus command once on the check box.  You will hear check if it is unchecked.  Then shift tab to the button and use the double click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly the same command you have been using.  That works, or it did the two times I tested it.

the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm calling the double click command only once works with other check boxes.

Gene

On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene wrote:

This way seems to work.  It may sound involved but it may sound a lot more involved than it is.  I hope it works for you.  I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and NVDA.  You can see if it works on your system with whatever browsers you want to try.

It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works and why another thing doesn't work.  Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check.  Turn off browse mode.  You will find a button and a check box, both for the same thing.  If you use keyboard commands, nothing will happen. 
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the box is checked.  However, if you then look at the state of the check box, you will find it unchanged. 

Instead, work with the button associated with the check box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter. 
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double clicking a mouse.  Check the check box by tabbing once to it.  This doesn't work the first time, at least not usually.  Shift back to the button and Issue the double click command again and check.  If that doesn't work, issue it a third  time, going back to the button to issue the command every time.  This usually works for me after the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the command.

As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you will find a button that says cannot find a time.  Press the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab to the appropriate button.  I don't recall what it says but use it to submit the form.

I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I would double click the button, it moved me to a completely different field, moving me backward.  but if I kept tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it, after a number of times, the check box was checked. 

This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is occurring that all I can say is these methods or about these methods work when I try them on this form.  You may find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure anything else works. 

While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what you want in filling out such a form.  I have no idea if you can create one successfully.

Gene

On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I didn't include an example, because I thought they were all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the poll I was having a problem with:


https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/bWnvBGXa

On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:

Mary Otten wrote:

doodle poll, and I have  tried on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see nowhere to enter my

Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an example we could try, but it didn't show up.

Luke

Mary Otten wrote:

Thanks for the help, Gene. I got sighted help; the whole thing is the worst doodle poll I've seen yet. They use to be accessible sometimes.

You might want to complain to Google Accessibility about this. There's no reason they need to be written as they are.

https://www.google.com/accessibility/

Luke