Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
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Laurie Mehta
Hi, I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name…) -Laurie
The hidden history of screen readers
https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-curran-teh-nvda
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Brian's Mail list account
Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) Hi, I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.) -Laurie The hidden history of screen readers https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter-curran -teh-nvda |
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Aravind R
very nice informative article.
On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote: Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are we -- -- -- nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so. r. aravind, manager Department of sales bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@.... aravind.rajendran@.... |
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Great article.
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However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW. -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) very nice informative article. On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote: Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are -- -- -- nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so. r. aravind, manager Department of sales bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@.... aravind.rajendran@.... |
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Pamela Dominguez
My first windows computer that I got in 2000 had window bridge in it. But I felt so alone, because nobody could help me, because they either had jaws or window eyes in theirs. Pam.
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From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:43 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Great article.
However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW.
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
very nice informative article.
On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote: > Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are > we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin Brian > > -- > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM > Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) > > > Hi, > > I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that > many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.) > > -Laurie > > > > > The hidden history of screen readers > > > > > > > https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter- > curran > -teh-nvda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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r. aravind,
manager Department of sales bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@.... aravind.rajendran@....
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Howard Traxler
Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers.
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Howard On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote:
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I thought it was window eyes which I have used. It might have also been vocal eyes in 1994 or so. I remember quitting to windows or quitting to doss.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 7:43 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) Great article. However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW. -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) very nice informative article. On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote: Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are -- -- -- nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so. r. aravind, manager Department of sales bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@.... aravind.rajendran@.... |
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I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers. Howard On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote: very nice informative article. |
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Pam,
The very first computer I got had a demo version of window eyes. I had gotten it from Computers for the Blind in Texas.
Rosemarie
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From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 7:56 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
My first windows computer that I got in 2000 had window bridge in it. But I felt so alone, because nobody could help me, because they either had jaws or window eyes in theirs. Pam.
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From: Chris Smart
Great article.
However, and perhaps I misunderstood, but it sounds like the author suggests Jaws for Windows was the first screenreader for Windows. Nope. The first was Windows Bridge, from SynthaVoice Computers Inc. and was out at least three years before JFW.
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aravind R Sent: July 15, 2022 10:40 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
very nice informative article.
On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists@...> wrote: > Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or are > we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin Brian > > -- > bglists@... > Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) > Please address personal E-mail to:- > briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' > in the display name field. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...> > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM > Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) > > > Hi, > > I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that > many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.) > > -Laurie > > > > > The hidden history of screen readers > > > > > > > https://www.theverge.com/23203911/screen-readers-history-blind-henter- > curran > -teh-nvda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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-- -- nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.
r. aravind,
manager Department of sales bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai. mobile no: +91 9940369593, email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@.... aravind.rajendran@....
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Gene
This article from AFB says that the first Windows screen-reader was
Window Bridge.
https://www.afb.org/aw/1/4/16165 The first screen reader for a Windows operating system was not released until 1992 when Syntha-Voice Computers released SlimWare Window Bridge for Windows 3.1. Gene |
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Dave Grossoehme
Hi: My first desktop computer was before Windows. I started out by using one of the first in line of the Jaws For Dos programs. However, the history of blind using computers goes back before a desktop computer existed. I only know of paarts of the information, of which there was a program on punched cards that could be added to other punched card programs to make a IBM 1403 Printer write in braille. Also IBM had started work on software for the blind to use with some of the first IBM consoles, which was a large typewriter that you typed commands into a main frame computer. Dave
On 7/15/2022 11:07 AM, Rosemarie
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Karl Smith
I worked at IBM in Bolder Colorado in 1980. I could still see some then so used a magnifying glass and a CCTV. However, one day they brought in a Votrax synthesizer which connected to my terminal which made it speak. It wasn’t a great voice and didn’t have many, if any real controls to review things but it was a talking device. I met Ted when he worked at MCS as he helped me with tech support. I worked with him as a JAWS dealer starting in 1993 and am still a dealer although Ted has long-sense retired. He and Deane Blazie, who I also worked for in the early 90s were real pioneers along with Tim Kranmer.
Karl
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 9:31 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Hi: My first desktop computer was before Windows. I started out by using one of the first in line of the Jaws For Dos programs. However, the history of blind using computers goes back before a desktop computer existed. I only know of paarts of the information, of which there was a program on punched cards that could be added to other punched card programs to make a IBM 1403 Printer write in braille. Also IBM had started work on software for the blind to use with some of the first IBM consoles, which was a large typewriter that you typed commands into a main frame computer. Dave
On 7/15/2022 11:07 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
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Kyle McRorey
I know this is not exactly screen reader related but if you wanna talk about it terms of my first experience with the Internet you could actually go back to newspaper audio text telephone information services where I lived in Kansas City there was a service called Startouch and there were other such services over the country in the 80s and 90s were you could enter a four digit code after calling a number for news weather and other information and it had what we would consider at that time were considered good synthesizers obviously the technology has improved my first screen reader that I remember using was Jaws 4.0 and windows 98 Notification
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Howard Traxler
Yes, there was:
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TexTalker by Street Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System) And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article. Howard On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
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Buddy Brannan
I also had Window Bridge, and I loved it! SWB did things that a lot of others didn’t…like seamless access to the command line, for instance. Sadly, Window Bridge 2000 wasn’t quite as good, IMO, and then Dave passed, and away went Synthavoice.
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-- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Email: buddy@... Mobile: (814) 431-0962 On Jul 15, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@...> wrote: |
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Karl Smith
You are correct but I think the article was really aimed at human interest describing Ted and the NVDA developers. A real history of how blind people have accessed computers in various ways would take a book. I met a man when I was in Jr. High who worked at the air force base near the school. He had a program I think he wrote which used the period on a line printer to smack the paper hard enough to emboss useable braille for him to read.
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Karl ------------------------------ Karl Smith Access Technology Consultant 4304 South El Camino St. Taylorsville, Utah 84129 Phone: 866-824-7885 Fax: 866-824-7885 E-mail: karl@... Alternate E-Mail: karl.axistech@... -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 10:07 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) Yes, there was: TexTalker by Street Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System) And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article. Howard On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote: I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL |
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Wow! Amazing stuff! I don’t think I remember that, I’m only at version 3.9, soon to be 4.0, so I’m young enough to not remember all of that, still though, all of this is amazing, and if not for all of that we probably would not have the likes of nvda, and what ever else is being thought up.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 8:31 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Hi: My first desktop computer was before Windows. I started out by using one of the first in line of the Jaws For Dos programs. However, the history of blind using computers goes back before a desktop computer existed. I only know of paarts of the information, of which there was a program on punched cards that could be added to other punched card programs to make a IBM 1403 Printer write in braille. Also IBM had started work on software for the blind to use with some of the first IBM consoles, which was a large typewriter that you typed commands into a main frame computer. Dave
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Tony Ballou
Hi,
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Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision. And dating back to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's more than enough history for a book. Tony -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) Yes, there was: TexTalker by Street Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System) And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article. Howard On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote: I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL |
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Pamela Dominguez
Yes, in my dos computer I had artic vision. There was also Vert and Vert plus. Pam.
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From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:41 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Hi,
Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision. And dating back to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's more than enough history for a book.
Tony
-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA)
Yes, there was: TexTalker by Street Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System)
And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article.
Howard On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote: > I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOL > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard > Traxler > Sent: July 15, 2022 11:00 AM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) > > Very good as a summary. A complete history would have covered many more screen readers and their developers. > > Howard > > > On 7/15/2022 9:40 AM, Aravind R wrote: >> very nice informative article. >> >> On 15/07/2022, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io >> <bglists@...> wrote: >>> Yes not read it all yet. I'd no idea it was accessibility week, or >>> are we late to the party due to inaccessibility. grin >>> Brian >>> >>> -- >>> bglists@... >>> Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) >>> Please address personal E-mail to:- >>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' >>> in the display name field. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Laurie Mehta via groups.io" <lauriemehta@...> >>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> >>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 4:06 AM >>> Subject: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I came across this today and am sharing it here because I think that >>> many here will find it interesting. (Link below my name.) >>> >>> -Laurie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The hidden history of screen readers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fww >>> w.theverge.com%2F23203911%2Fscreen-readers-history-blind-henter& >>> data=05%7C01%7C%7C1cd7610a7b4f422f382608da667c20de%7C84df9e7fe9f640a >>> fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637934980560512574%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb >>> 3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3 >>> D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=dkw5gn%2FtPWKMpBF946SnutQUAmeyamRo0N4Kjr >>> Ar8gM%3D&reserved=0 >>> -curran >>> -teh-nvda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > > > > > >
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JM Casey
Yeah. The Echo was for the Apple II line, and was introduced in the late
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70s. You had to copy the software to drive the synth/screen-reader onto every disk you wanted to talk, or else switch the disks once the speech was loaded -- not a lot of room in memory on the Apple II E once the speech was loaded, either. Only 128k with an extension card (64k without!). -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Ballou Sent: July 15, 2022 12:42 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) Hi, Also there were In the early to mid-80's, the Echo, and echo2-plus I believe if memory serves me correct, and Artic's Business Vision. And dating back to the first computer and screen reader access that I experienced which was while I was a student at the Community College of Philadelphia, 1984's Information through Speech systems which were designed and produced by Maryland Computer service. They've come so far from those days, and there's more than enough history for a book. Tony -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 12:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Article on Screen Reader History (including NVDA) Yes, there was: TexTalker by Street Screen Talk, Vocal-Eyes, and Window-Eyes by GW Windows Bridge Vert and Vert Pro ProTalk ISOSS Flipper ASAP ASAW Artic Tiny Talk VOS (Verbal Operating System) And, probably, many more. And each of them probably have a background story. To do a proper history, one could write a book; not just an article. Howard On 7/15/2022 10:02 AM, Chris Smart wrote: I still miss ASAP and my Accent PC card. LOLscreen readers and their developers.
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