I would suggest getting the SAPI5 Eloquence version, not the add-on.  You can use the SAPI5 version with any screen-reader that supports SAPI5 and you  don't have to worry about which version of NVDA you use it with.  NVDA supports SAPI5 regardless of version.

You can try a demo to see if it does what you want.  If no one gives information soon about where to get a demo, I'll check. 

Gene

On 7/26/2022 10:33 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Actually, while I'm thinking about it, how much is the Eloquence addon? And is it a one-time payment? I know Jaws is subscription-based now (at least, I think that's what the deal is, and last I heard you had to pay for new updates, which I always thought was a d*ck move), but is the Eloquence addon by itself a one-time payment? If so, I may consider investing in it for circumstances such as this.

On 25/07/2022 7:10 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Since Eloquence is paid and I don't like it anyways, that's not an option for me. I dunno how, if at all, those packs would help, and I don't want to change synths. Anything without inflection settings (including most paid synths) sounds woeful to my discerning ears.

On 25/07/2022 6:30 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

The question is did you switch ESpeak's language to Japanese. With some synths, they just won't work with Japanese or some other foreign alphabets at all unless you add language packs in Windows. I just opened a Japanese Wikipedia page with the following results. Japanese Eloquence read it in Japanese. ESpeak Japanese read Japanese letter this, Chinese letter that. You may want to check out this page about installing language packs in Windows, or find a synth that will work without them.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows%2Flanguage-packs-for-windows-a5094319-a92d-18de-5b53-1cfc697cfca8&data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce594a98c5f5649b9b50908da6db8ff1a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637942938588515646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wI22F3s6GmKeUfXsNNEB9S%2FA9AB83M%2BZLcgwV3FZtuQ%3D&reserved=0

Shawn Klein

On 7/24/2022 12:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

The New Releases page said that Japanese was added to Espeak as well as the packaged Braille Tables. I want to learn Japanese (I started learning in school, then left school, and that was a good fifteen years ago now), and just found out the browser version of Duolingo is accessible with NVDA.


However, I've checked with a couple things (I'm a part of a number of anime fandoms), and NVDA doesn't switch to Japanese when reading passages, instead continuing to say "Japanese-letter" several times, or if I'm scrolling over it, "Japanese-letter" plus several numbers that I suppose are it's unicode designation? But anyways, it is not reflecting the addition of the language bank in Espeak NG. And I know the ProTalker addon has not been compatible for years, though even if it were, there were some weird pronunciation issues with even that.


Is there something I am missing here?

1. This addon/those voices are paid. I did have a cracked version once but I do not wish to do that again.

2. I hate vocalliser. The voices sound bored and flat, I can't get any of them to pronounce things properly, and they honestly all put me to sleep unless they're reading something technical like a recipe book or a list of new additions to the Vision Australia library. Beyond that, for reportedly humanlike voices, they sound even more inhuman than Espeak NG does, and I can max inflection on that!

On 26/07/2022 6:04 am, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!

 

Vocalizer Expressive from Tiflotecnia switch automatically the language based in the character set used...

So, in any application, whenever a japanese character is found, the synth will change automatically to japanese... When finding a latin character will go back to english...

Note that this is only possible between languages using different character sets... It will not switch between english and portuguese or between japanese and chinese...

 

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
 

Às 22:03 de 24/07/2022, Sharni-Lee Ward escreveu:

I need it to read the English text as normal and the Japanese text as Japanese, be it a single line or a passage in the midst of English instructions. It does not currently do this and this could pose problems when learning. The ProTalker addon used to do it but alas...

On 25/07/2022 4:13 am, David Goldfield wrote:

Also, if we’re talking about a Web page the developer(s) of the page need to be using the language attribute correctly. Just having the page being written or displayed in the Japanese language won’t switch the synth language to Japanese if English is still being used as the default or primary language.

Of course, if the synth has been set to Japanese and if it’s still not speaking correctly then this is a bit outside of my wheelhouse.

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Japanese with NVDA 2022.2

 

Do you have automatic language switching turned on in Speech settings?

Also, and this is not meant as snarky, are you certain you are using Espeak as your synth?  I'd also suggest, once you're certain that automatic language switching is turned on in NVDA, that you give the Microsoft OneCore Japanese a try, if for no other reason than testing.  It does support text to speech.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

Well if they do vanish, it's probably time to call Microsoft, or try to Google it and plow through a bunch of Microsoft forum questions from people who hopefully have had the same problem. That may not be for everybody, it tries the patience. If you have Be My Eyes on your phone you can get Microsoft support, but if you can't get Quick Assist to work or install correctly, which will probably be the case, it's not as helpful.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 12:50 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

That's what I've done, and it's worked, but of the three voices I've added I only see the Japanese ones, which I added first, and I don't know if they'll stay loaded, since they vanished after the previous restart.

On 27/07/2022 3:45 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

So here's how I do it. I open up narrator settings with control+shift+n. Then I shift tab and it says vision grouping one of 3. Arrow down until it says narrator. Then tab a bunch of times until you hear add more voices. Then tab past everything until it says manage voices grouping. Add voices button. Press enter and find the language you want and add it. Try it that way.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 12:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Nope, not there either, and I checked in the Ease of Access settings as well. The packages have gone.

On 27/07/2022 3:36 am, Gene wrote:

Check the SAPI 5 voices.  There are SAPI 5 versions of One Core Voices.  Perhaps that is where the voices installed.

Gene

On 7/26/2022 12:25 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I went and installed the packages, but can't see them in NVDA's voice dropdown for 1Core voices. I tried restarting the computer, and it did some updates that took a while, and I thought when it was done that I could access the voices then. The system's finished that process, and nope, the voices I installed still don't show up in NVDA! What am I missing?

On 26/07/2022 9:49 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Okay, I will definitely look into that. But I don't think I can set up things in that synth so I can get two languages simultaneously either. I need to know what I'm doing as I learn.

On 26/07/2022 8:52 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

That's what I've done, and it's worked, but of the three voices I've added I only see the Japanese ones, which I added first, and I don't know if they'll stay loaded, since they vanished after the previous restart.

On 27/07/2022 3:45 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

So here's how I do it. I open up narrator settings with control+shift+n. Then I shift tab and it says vision grouping one of 3. Arrow down until it says narrator. Then tab a bunch of times until you hear add more voices. Then tab past everything until it says manage voices grouping. Add voices button. Press enter and find the language you want and add it. Try it that way.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 12:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Nope, not there either, and I checked in the Ease of Access settings as well. The packages have gone.

On 27/07/2022 3:36 am, Gene wrote:

Check the SAPI 5 voices.  There are SAPI 5 versions of One Core Voices.  Perhaps that is where the voices installed.

Gene

On 7/26/2022 12:25 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I went and installed the packages, but can't see them in NVDA's voice dropdown for 1Core voices. I tried restarting the computer, and it did some updates that took a while, and I thought when it was done that I could access the voices then. The system's finished that process, and nope, the voices I installed still don't show up in NVDA! What am I missing?

On 26/07/2022 9:49 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Okay, I will definitely look into that. But I don't think I can set up things in that synth so I can get two languages simultaneously either. I need to know what I'm doing as I learn.

On 26/07/2022 8:52 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

No, but for learning, that is tolerable, and they are free. It's not like Eloquence, which I'd have to pay for in either form. But Eloquence as an NVDA Addon direct can at least have its inflection adjusted. No wonder it sounds so flat on some peoples' YouTube streams, if they're running it through Sapi...

On 27/07/2022 3:31 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

You can't adjust inflection with one core voices either.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 12:20 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

If I use Sapi5, doesn't that mean I can't adjust inflection? I don't like that idea very much...

On 27/07/2022 1:40 am, Gene wrote:

I would suggest getting the SAPI5 Eloquence version, not the add-on.  You can use the SAPI5 version with any screen-reader that supports SAPI5 and you  don't have to worry about which version of NVDA you use it with.  NVDA supports SAPI5 regardless of version.

You can try a demo to see if it does what you want.  If no one gives information soon about where to get a demo, I'll check. 

Gene

On 7/26/2022 10:33 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Actually, while I'm thinking about it, how much is the Eloquence addon? And is it a one-time payment? I know Jaws is subscription-based now (at least, I think that's what the deal is, and last I heard you had to pay for new updates, which I always thought was a d*ck move), but is the Eloquence addon by itself a one-time payment? If so, I may consider investing in it for circumstances such as this.

On 25/07/2022 7:10 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Since Eloquence is paid and I don't like it anyways, that's not an option for me. I dunno how, if at all, those packs would help, and I don't want to change synths. Anything without inflection settings (including most paid synths) sounds woeful to my discerning ears.

On 25/07/2022 6:30 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

The question is did you switch ESpeak's language to Japanese. With some synths, they just won't work with Japanese or some other foreign alphabets at all unless you add language packs in Windows. I just opened a Japanese Wikipedia page with the following results. Japanese Eloquence read it in Japanese. ESpeak Japanese read Japanese letter this, Chinese letter that. You may want to check out this page about installing language packs in Windows, or find a synth that will work without them.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows%2Flanguage-packs-for-windows-a5094319-a92d-18de-5b53-1cfc697cfca8&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce594a98c5f5649b9b50908da6db8ff1a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637942938588515646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=wI22F3s6GmKeUfXsNNEB9S%2FA9AB83M%2BZLcgwV3FZtuQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

Shawn Klein

On 7/24/2022 12:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

The New Releases page said that Japanese was added to Espeak as well as the packaged Braille Tables. I want to learn Japanese (I started learning in school, then left school, and that was a good fifteen years ago now), and just found out the browser version of Duolingo is accessible with NVDA.


However, I've checked with a couple things (I'm a part of a number of anime fandoms), and NVDA doesn't switch to Japanese when reading passages, instead continuing to say "Japanese-letter" several times, or if I'm scrolling over it, "Japanese-letter" plus several numbers that I suppose are it's unicode designation? But anyways, it is not reflecting the addition of the language bank in Espeak NG. And I know the ProTalker addon has not been compatible for years, though even if it were, there were some weird pronunciation issues with even that.


Is there something I am missing here?

No, but for learning, that is tolerable, and they are free. It's not like Eloquence, which I'd have to pay for in either form. But Eloquence as an NVDA Addon direct can at least have its inflection adjusted. No wonder it sounds so flat on some peoples' YouTube streams, if they're running it through Sapi...

On 27/07/2022 3:31 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

You can't adjust inflection with one core voices either.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 12:20 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

If I use Sapi5, doesn't that mean I can't adjust inflection? I don't like that idea very much...

On 27/07/2022 1:40 am, Gene wrote:

I would suggest getting the SAPI5 Eloquence version, not the add-on.  You can use the SAPI5 version with any screen-reader that supports SAPI5 and you  don't have to worry about which version of NVDA you use it with.  NVDA supports SAPI5 regardless of version.

You can try a demo to see if it does what you want.  If no one gives information soon about where to get a demo, I'll check. 

Gene

On 7/26/2022 10:33 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Actually, while I'm thinking about it, how much is the Eloquence addon? And is it a one-time payment? I know Jaws is subscription-based now (at least, I think that's what the deal is, and last I heard you had to pay for new updates, which I always thought was a d*ck move), but is the Eloquence addon by itself a one-time payment? If so, I may consider investing in it for circumstances such as this.

On 25/07/2022 7:10 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Since Eloquence is paid and I don't like it anyways, that's not an option for me. I dunno how, if at all, those packs would help, and I don't want to change synths. Anything without inflection settings (including most paid synths) sounds woeful to my discerning ears.

On 25/07/2022 6:30 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

The question is did you switch ESpeak's language to Japanese. With some synths, they just won't work with Japanese or some other foreign alphabets at all unless you add language packs in Windows. I just opened a Japanese Wikipedia page with the following results. Japanese Eloquence read it in Japanese. ESpeak Japanese read Japanese letter this, Chinese letter that. You may want to check out this page about installing language packs in Windows, or find a synth that will work without them.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows%2Flanguage-packs-for-windows-a5094319-a92d-18de-5b53-1cfc697cfca8&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce594a98c5f5649b9b50908da6db8ff1a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637942938588515646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=wI22F3s6GmKeUfXsNNEB9S%2FA9AB83M%2BZLcgwV3FZtuQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

Shawn Klein

On 7/24/2022 12:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

The New Releases page said that Japanese was added to Espeak as well as the packaged Braille Tables. I want to learn Japanese (I started learning in school, then left school, and that was a good fifteen years ago now), and just found out the browser version of Duolingo is accessible with NVDA.


However, I've checked with a couple things (I'm a part of a number of anime fandoms), and NVDA doesn't switch to Japanese when reading passages, instead continuing to say "Japanese-letter" several times, or if I'm scrolling over it, "Japanese-letter" plus several numbers that I suppose are it's unicode designation? But anyways, it is not reflecting the addition of the language bank in Espeak NG. And I know the ProTalker addon has not been compatible for years, though even if it were, there were some weird pronunciation issues with even that.


Is there something I am missing here?

make sure the text to speech packages are actually being downloaded. If they are, I’m not sure why they aren’t showing up. Best of luck.On Jul 26, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Shawn via groups.io <kb7clx@...> wrote:

You can't adjust inflection with one core voices either.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 12:20 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

If I use Sapi5, doesn't that mean I can't adjust inflection? I don't like that idea very much...

On 27/07/2022 1:40 am, Gene wrote:

I would suggest getting the SAPI5 Eloquence version, not the add-on.  You can use the SAPI5 version with any screen-reader that supports SAPI5 and you  don't have to worry about which version of NVDA you use it with.  NVDA supports SAPI5 regardless of version.

You can try a demo to see if it does what you want.  If no one gives information soon about where to get a demo, I'll check. 

Gene

On 7/26/2022 10:33 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Actually, while I'm thinking about it, how much is the Eloquence addon? And is it a one-time payment? I know Jaws is subscription-based now (at least, I think that's what the deal is, and last I heard you had to pay for new updates, which I always thought was a d*ck move), but is the Eloquence addon by itself a one-time payment? If so, I may consider investing in it for circumstances such as this.

On 25/07/2022 7:10 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Since Eloquence is paid and I don't like it anyways, that's not an option for me. I dunno how, if at all, those packs would help, and I don't want to change synths. Anything without inflection settings (including most paid synths) sounds woeful to my discerning ears.

On 25/07/2022 6:30 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

The question is did you switch ESpeak's language to Japanese. With some synths, they just won't work with Japanese or some other foreign alphabets at all unless you add language packs in Windows. I just opened a Japanese Wikipedia page with the following results. Japanese Eloquence read it in Japanese. ESpeak Japanese read Japanese letter this, Chinese letter that. You may want to check out this page about installing language packs in Windows, or find a synth that will work without them.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows%2Flanguage-packs-for-windows-a5094319-a92d-18de-5b53-1cfc697cfca8&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce594a98c5f5649b9b50908da6db8ff1a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637942938588515646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=wI22F3s6GmKeUfXsNNEB9S%2FA9AB83M%2BZLcgwV3FZtuQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

Shawn Klein

On 7/24/2022 12:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

The New Releases page said that Japanese was added to Espeak as well as the packaged Braille Tables. I want to learn Japanese (I started learning in school, then left school, and that was a good fifteen years ago now), and just found out the browser version of Duolingo is accessible with NVDA.


However, I've checked with a couple things (I'm a part of a number of anime fandoms), and NVDA doesn't switch to Japanese when reading passages, instead continuing to say "Japanese-letter" several times, or if I'm scrolling over it, "Japanese-letter" plus several numbers that I suppose are it's unicode designation? But anyways, it is not reflecting the addition of the language bank in Espeak NG. And I know the ProTalker addon has not been compatible for years, though even if it were, there were some weird pronunciation issues with even that.


Is there something I am missing here?

So here's how I do it. I open up narrator settings with control+shift+n. Then I shift tab and it says vision grouping one of 3. Arrow down until it says narrator. Then tab a bunch of times until you hear add more voices. Then tab past everything until it says manage voices grouping. Add voices button. Press enter and find the language you want and add it. Try it that way.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 12:38 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Nope, not there either, and I checked in the Ease of Access settings as well. The packages have gone.

On 27/07/2022 3:36 am, Gene wrote:

Check the SAPI 5 voices.  There are SAPI 5 versions of One Core Voices.  Perhaps that is where the voices installed.

Gene

On 7/26/2022 12:25 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I went and installed the packages, but can't see them in NVDA's voice dropdown for 1Core voices. I tried restarting the computer, and it did some updates that took a while, and I thought when it was done that I could access the voices then. The system's finished that process, and nope, the voices I installed still don't show up in NVDA! What am I missing?

On 26/07/2022 9:49 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Okay, I will definitely look into that. But I don't think I can set up things in that synth so I can get two languages simultaneously either. I need to know what I'm doing as I learn.

On 26/07/2022 8:52 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

Okay, just checked the Ease of Access settings again, and they're gone. I know I installed the packages, because I saw them in the list before I restarted, but they just disappeared again. What did I do wrong?

I went to Ease of access, scrolled down to Narrator and selected it, opened the add voices page, selected Add New Voices from the Manage Voices group, scrolled down through the list in the popup until I found the one I wanted, then selected it and pressed Add. I was told that I'd have to close settings and restart any apps that might want to use those voices, so I did that. They didn't show in NVDA, but I could still see the new packages listed when I went back into settings. Now everything's restarted and any trace of what I did before the restart/configuration of whatever update was going on has vanished. I don't know how I could have messed up something so simple!

On 27/07/2022 3:25 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I went and installed the packages, but can't see them in NVDA's voice dropdown for 1Core voices. I tried restarting the computer, and it did some updates that took a while, and I thought when it was done that I could access the voices then. The system's finished that process, and nope, the voices I installed still don't show up in NVDA! What am I missing?

On 26/07/2022 9:49 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Okay, I will definitely look into that. But I don't think I can set up things in that synth so I can get two languages simultaneously either. I need to know what I'm doing as I learn.

On 26/07/2022 8:52 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

Nope, not there either, and I checked in the Ease of Access settings as well. The packages have gone.

On 27/07/2022 3:36 am, Gene wrote:

Check the SAPI 5 voices.  There are SAPI 5 versions of One Core Voices.  Perhaps that is where the voices installed.

Gene

On 7/26/2022 12:25 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I went and installed the packages, but can't see them in NVDA's voice dropdown for 1Core voices. I tried restarting the computer, and it did some updates that took a while, and I thought when it was done that I could access the voices then. The system's finished that process, and nope, the voices I installed still don't show up in NVDA! What am I missing?

On 26/07/2022 9:49 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Okay, I will definitely look into that. But I don't think I can set up things in that synth so I can get two languages simultaneously either. I need to know what I'm doing as I learn.

On 26/07/2022 8:52 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

You can't adjust inflection with one core voices either.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 12:20 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

If I use Sapi5, doesn't that mean I can't adjust inflection? I don't like that idea very much...

On 27/07/2022 1:40 am, Gene wrote:

I would suggest getting the SAPI5 Eloquence version, not the add-on.  You can use the SAPI5 version with any screen-reader that supports SAPI5 and you  don't have to worry about which version of NVDA you use it with.  NVDA supports SAPI5 regardless of version.

You can try a demo to see if it does what you want.  If no one gives information soon about where to get a demo, I'll check. 

Gene

On 7/26/2022 10:33 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Actually, while I'm thinking about it, how much is the Eloquence addon? And is it a one-time payment? I know Jaws is subscription-based now (at least, I think that's what the deal is, and last I heard you had to pay for new updates, which I always thought was a d*ck move), but is the Eloquence addon by itself a one-time payment? If so, I may consider investing in it for circumstances such as this.

On 25/07/2022 7:10 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Since Eloquence is paid and I don't like it anyways, that's not an option for me. I dunno how, if at all, those packs would help, and I don't want to change synths. Anything without inflection settings (including most paid synths) sounds woeful to my discerning ears.

On 25/07/2022 6:30 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

The question is did you switch ESpeak's language to Japanese. With some synths, they just won't work with Japanese or some other foreign alphabets at all unless you add language packs in Windows. I just opened a Japanese Wikipedia page with the following results. Japanese Eloquence read it in Japanese. ESpeak Japanese read Japanese letter this, Chinese letter that. You may want to check out this page about installing language packs in Windows, or find a synth that will work without them.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows%2Flanguage-packs-for-windows-a5094319-a92d-18de-5b53-1cfc697cfca8&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce594a98c5f5649b9b50908da6db8ff1a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637942938588515646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=wI22F3s6GmKeUfXsNNEB9S%2FA9AB83M%2BZLcgwV3FZtuQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

Shawn Klein

On 7/24/2022 12:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

The New Releases page said that Japanese was added to Espeak as well as the packaged Braille Tables. I want to learn Japanese (I started learning in school, then left school, and that was a good fifteen years ago now), and just found out the browser version of Duolingo is accessible with NVDA.


However, I've checked with a couple things (I'm a part of a number of anime fandoms), and NVDA doesn't switch to Japanese when reading passages, instead continuing to say "Japanese-letter" several times, or if I'm scrolling over it, "Japanese-letter" plus several numbers that I suppose are it's unicode designation? But anyways, it is not reflecting the addition of the language bank in Espeak NG. And I know the ProTalker addon has not been compatible for years, though even if it were, there were some weird pronunciation issues with even that.


Is there something I am missing here?

Yeah, I forgot. It just happened to me too. The only solutions for that after you've closed the settings dialogue and then restarted NVDA are 1, reboot your computer, or 2, if you don't feel like rebooting right now, just install another one core language. Oddly you won't see the language you just installed in NVDA unless you reboot, or install yet another language. Then you'll see the next to last language you installed. You'll see all the languages only after you've rebooted the machine. It wouldn't let me see Japanese, and I didn't feel like rebooting so I just installed Arabic Egyp, and then I could see the Japanese voices. But of course, not the Arabic ones.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 12:29 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

I didn't expect perfection, but at least it's not what Espeak NG seemed to be doing when I scrolled through the language list the other day, and spell out e v e r y s i n g l e w o r d that is in a Latin alphabet. That I could not stand, or I'd have just switched to the Espeak NG Japanese voice and never mentioned anything to you guys here.

Unfortunately, though, I can't seem to access any of the voices I installed (I got the English Great Britain and English Ireland voice packages too). I don't know what I've done wrong—I followed the instructions I was given exactly, but All I see are David, Zera, James, Catherine and Mark.

On 27/07/2022 3:10 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

So I just added the one core Japanese voices just for fun, there are 2 female and one male, and they all speak Japanesified English otherwise known as Engrish. It says odd doh instead of add, bot toe instead of bat, and rawng ghehjeh, or rawng gheh reggie
depending on which voice you use, instead of language. Those are a few examples. It would take some getting used to, but if it saves you from constantly switching languages, and you want a free option, I think you could get used to it.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 5:52 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

So I went and installed the packages, but can't see them in NVDA's voice dropdown for 1Core voices. I tried restarting the computer, and it did some updates that took a while, and I thought when it was done that I could access the voices then. The system's finished that process, and nope, the voices I installed still don't show up in NVDA! What am I missing?

On 26/07/2022 9:49 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Okay, I will definitely look into that. But I don't think I can set up things in that synth so I can get two languages simultaneously either. I need to know what I'm doing as I learn.

On 26/07/2022 8:52 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

Check the SAPI 5 voices.  There are SAPI 5 versions of One Core Voices.  Perhaps that is where the voices installed.

Gene

On 7/26/2022 12:25 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

So I went and installed the packages, but can't see them in NVDA's voice dropdown for 1Core voices. I tried restarting the computer, and it did some updates that took a while, and I thought when it was done that I could access the voices then. The system's finished that process, and nope, the voices I installed still don't show up in NVDA! What am I missing?

On 26/07/2022 9:49 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Okay, I will definitely look into that. But I don't think I can set up things in that synth so I can get two languages simultaneously either. I need to know what I'm doing as I learn.

On 26/07/2022 8:52 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

I didn't expect perfection, but at least it's not what Espeak NG seemed to be doing when I scrolled through the language list the other day, and spell out e v e r y s i n g l e w o r d that is in a Latin alphabet. That I could not stand, or I'd have just switched to the Espeak NG Japanese voice and never mentioned anything to you guys here.

Unfortunately, though, I can't seem to access any of the voices I installed (I got the English Great Britain and English Ireland voice packages too). I don't know what I've done wrong—I followed the instructions I was given exactly, but All I see are David, Zera, James, Catherine and Mark.

On 27/07/2022 3:10 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

So I just added the one core Japanese voices just for fun, there are 2 female and one male, and they all speak Japanesified English otherwise known as Engrish. It says odd doh instead of add, bot toe instead of bat, and rawng ghehjeh, or rawng gheh reggie
depending on which voice you use, instead of language. Those are a few examples. It would take some getting used to, but if it saves you from constantly switching languages, and you want a free option, I think you could get used to it.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 5:52 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

So I went and installed the packages, but can't see them in NVDA's voice dropdown for 1Core voices. I tried restarting the computer, and it did some updates that took a while, and I thought when it was done that I could access the voices then. The system's finished that process, and nope, the voices I installed still don't show up in NVDA! What am I missing?

On 26/07/2022 9:49 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Okay, I will definitely look into that. But I don't think I can set up things in that synth so I can get two languages simultaneously either. I need to know what I'm doing as I learn.

On 26/07/2022 8:52 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

So I went and installed the packages, but can't see them in NVDA's voice dropdown for 1Core voices. I tried restarting the computer, and it did some updates that took a while, and I thought when it was done that I could access the voices then. The system's finished that process, and nope, the voices I installed still don't show up in NVDA! What am I missing?

On 26/07/2022 9:49 pm, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Okay, I will definitely look into that. But I don't think I can set up things in that synth so I can get two languages simultaneously either. I need to know what I'm doing as I learn.

On 26/07/2022 8:52 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices. 

If I use Sapi5, doesn't that mean I can't adjust inflection? I don't like that idea very much...

On 27/07/2022 1:40 am, Gene wrote:

I would suggest getting the SAPI5 Eloquence version, not the add-on.  You can use the SAPI5 version with any screen-reader that supports SAPI5 and you  don't have to worry about which version of NVDA you use it with.  NVDA supports SAPI5 regardless of version.

You can try a demo to see if it does what you want.  If no one gives information soon about where to get a demo, I'll check. 

Gene

On 7/26/2022 10:33 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Actually, while I'm thinking about it, how much is the Eloquence addon? And is it a one-time payment? I know Jaws is subscription-based now (at least, I think that's what the deal is, and last I heard you had to pay for new updates, which I always thought was a d*ck move), but is the Eloquence addon by itself a one-time payment? If so, I may consider investing in it for circumstances such as this.

On 25/07/2022 7:10 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Since Eloquence is paid and I don't like it anyways, that's not an option for me. I dunno how, if at all, those packs would help, and I don't want to change synths. Anything without inflection settings (including most paid synths) sounds woeful to my discerning ears.

On 25/07/2022 6:30 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

The question is did you switch ESpeak's language to Japanese. With some synths, they just won't work with Japanese or some other foreign alphabets at all unless you add language packs in Windows. I just opened a Japanese Wikipedia page with the following results. Japanese Eloquence read it in Japanese. ESpeak Japanese read Japanese letter this, Chinese letter that. You may want to check out this page about installing language packs in Windows, or find a synth that will work without them.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows%2Flanguage-packs-for-windows-a5094319-a92d-18de-5b53-1cfc697cfca8&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce594a98c5f5649b9b50908da6db8ff1a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637942938588515646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=wI22F3s6GmKeUfXsNNEB9S%2FA9AB83M%2BZLcgwV3FZtuQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

Shawn Klein

On 7/24/2022 12:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

The New Releases page said that Japanese was added to Espeak as well as the packaged Braille Tables. I want to learn Japanese (I started learning in school, then left school, and that was a good fifteen years ago now), and just found out the browser version of Duolingo is accessible with NVDA.


However, I've checked with a couple things (I'm a part of a number of anime fandoms), and NVDA doesn't switch to Japanese when reading passages, instead continuing to say "Japanese-letter" several times, or if I'm scrolling over it, "Japanese-letter" plus several numbers that I suppose are it's unicode designation? But anyways, it is not reflecting the addition of the language bank in Espeak NG. And I know the ProTalker addon has not been compatible for years, though even if it were, there were some weird pronunciation issues with even that.


Is there something I am missing here?

If I use Sapi5, doesn't that mean I can't adjust inflection? I don't like that idea very much...

On 27/07/2022 1:40 am, Gene wrote:

I would suggest getting the SAPI5 Eloquence version, not the add-on.  You can use the SAPI5 version with any screen-reader that supports SAPI5 and you  don't have to worry about which version of NVDA you use it with.  NVDA supports SAPI5 regardless of version.

You can try a demo to see if it does what you want.  If no one gives information soon about where to get a demo, I'll check. 

Gene

On 7/26/2022 10:33 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Actually, while I'm thinking about it, how much is the Eloquence addon? And is it a one-time payment? I know Jaws is subscription-based now (at least, I think that's what the deal is, and last I heard you had to pay for new updates, which I always thought was a d*ck move), but is the Eloquence addon by itself a one-time payment? If so, I may consider investing in it for circumstances such as this.

On 25/07/2022 7:10 am, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Since Eloquence is paid and I don't like it anyways, that's not an option for me. I dunno how, if at all, those packs would help, and I don't want to change synths. Anything without inflection settings (including most paid synths) sounds woeful to my discerning ears.

On 25/07/2022 6:30 am, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

The question is did you switch ESpeak's language to Japanese. With some synths, they just won't work with Japanese or some other foreign alphabets at all unless you add language packs in Windows. I just opened a Japanese Wikipedia page with the following results. Japanese Eloquence read it in Japanese. ESpeak Japanese read Japanese letter this, Chinese letter that. You may want to check out this page about installing language packs in Windows, or find a synth that will work without them.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows%2Flanguage-packs-for-windows-a5094319-a92d-18de-5b53-1cfc697cfca8&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7Ce594a98c5f5649b9b50908da6db8ff1a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637942938588515646%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=wI22F3s6GmKeUfXsNNEB9S%2FA9AB83M%2BZLcgwV3FZtuQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

Shawn Klein

On 7/24/2022 12:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

The New Releases page said that Japanese was added to Espeak as well as the packaged Braille Tables. I want to learn Japanese (I started learning in school, then left school, and that was a good fifteen years ago now), and just found out the browser version of Duolingo is accessible with NVDA.


However, I've checked with a couple things (I'm a part of a number of anime fandoms), and NVDA doesn't switch to Japanese when reading passages, instead continuing to say "Japanese-letter" several times, or if I'm scrolling over it, "Japanese-letter" plus several numbers that I suppose are it's unicode designation? But anyways, it is not reflecting the addition of the language bank in Espeak NG. And I know the ProTalker addon has not been compatible for years, though even if it were, there were some weird pronunciation issues with even that.


Is there something I am missing here?

So I just added the one core Japanese voices just for fun, there are 2 female and one male, and they all speak Japanesified English otherwise known as Engrish. It says odd doh instead of add, bot toe instead of bat, and rawng ghehjeh, or rawng gheh reggie
depending on which voice you use, instead of language. Those are a few examples. It would take some getting used to, but if it saves you from constantly switching languages, and you want a free option, I think you could get used to it.

Shawn Klein

On 7/26/2022 5:52 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

one core voices do have japanese. go into settings, windows+i. accessibility in windows11, or ease of access in windows10. down to narrator, tab to add voices, tab to add more voices under language packs, go select japanese and it will be downloaded and installed. restart NVDA and then you get one core japanese voices.