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addOn Updater 2.8 and checking both International and Spanish-only NVDA?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Joseph: Awesome work on making better and better the AddOn updater! But have several questions:
1.-can one set up the updater to check. Both, the Spanish NVDA and ther International NVDA site? I went into NVDA settings/AddOn Updater, and you can only check one of the other apparently, right? Thus if this isn’t possible as of now,
2.-so would you recommend I maintain the “Tienda” AddOn? Because that one checks updates from the Latinamerica NVDA site.

Gera
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José Manuel Delicado Alcolea
 

Maintain = keep installed.


El 24/07/2022 a las 23:50, Gerardo Corripio escribió:
Joseph: Awesome work on making better and better the AddOn updater! But have several questions:
1.-can one set up the updater to check. Both, the Spanish NVDA and ther International NVDA site? I went into NVDA settings/AddOn Updater, and you can only check one of the other apparently, right? Thus if this isn’t possible as of now,
2.-so would you recommend I maintain the “Tienda” AddOn? Because that one checks updates from the Latinamerica NVDA site.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Regarding the first question, ideally, yes but hard to do in practical terms. When opening websites, because sites are hosted around the world, it may take a while for some sites to load. For computers, the slowest component (usually memory, disk, and other hardware) contributes to overall performance. While it doesn't take long to gather add-on update metadata from both sites, there are times when Add-on Updater must locate the actual download ink for an add-on update, which is why it takes up to several seconds for the add-on to check for updates. This is for one site, now imagine doing this for multiple websites, and in this scenario, the site that is slowest to respond takes up significant portion of update check progress. Also, remember that different update sources may say different things about an add-on - some may give conflicting compatibility information for an add-on update, while another site may offer an older version of a compatible add-on. For these reasons, I decided to at least offer users a setting to configure update sources.

As for the second question, I advise keeping Tienda (see a reply from Jose-Manuel). This is why I intentionally told Add-on Updater (via add-on source code) to not check for updates for Tienda as that add-on is essentially the add-on store for the Spanish community. In an earlier Twitter thread, I assured Jose-Manuel that Add-on Updater is a client, not a full store like Tienda is, knowing that many of you from Spain and other Spanish-speaking countries rely on Tienda to meet their add-on needs. Same can be said about the French community and other language communities with their own dedicated add-ons repositories (I once thought about talking to French community about letting Add-on Updater check for updates from their repository; my personal rule is that I must obtain consent from communities before I can ask Add-on Updater to check for updates from new repos in future add-on releases; I'm indeed open to this proposal and would love to talk to French community members about it in the fall as it takes about a day or two to add new add-on repositories).

Cheers,

Joseph
hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Joseph


In the latest release of the add on updater in the other version of it it let me go between the 2 websites to get addons but noticed when it updated that option is not there any more.

I think that one ended with a 7 and the one I just got ends in a 8 here the option has gone.


The second question was under the settings for the add on updater where it gave 2 options was there a gesture to toogle between the 2 sites instead of going into the settings each time I could not find one so guess there was not.


The update of the add on I just did just then you gave there is no option now for the 2 sites.


Gene nz

 

On 25/07/2022 10:14 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Regarding the first question, ideally, yes but hard to do in practical terms. When opening websites, because sites are hosted around the world, it may take a while for some sites to load. For computers, the slowest component (usually memory, disk, and other hardware) contributes to overall performance. While it doesn't take long to gather add-on update metadata from both sites, there are times when Add-on Updater must locate the actual download ink for an add-on update, which is why it takes up to several seconds for the add-on to check for updates. This is for one site, now imagine doing this for multiple websites, and in this scenario, the site that is slowest to respond takes up significant portion of update check progress. Also, remember that different update sources may say different things about an add-on - some may give conflicting compatibility information for an add-on update, while another site may offer an older version of a compatible add-on. For these reasons, I decided to at least offer users a setting to configure update sources.

As for the second question, I advise keeping Tienda (see a reply from Jose-Manuel). This is why I intentionally told Add-on Updater (via add-on source code) to not check for updates for Tienda as that add-on is essentially the add-on store for the Spanish community. In an earlier Twitter thread, I assured Jose-Manuel that Add-on Updater is a client, not a full store like Tienda is, knowing that many of you from Spain and other Spanish-speaking countries rely on Tienda to meet their add-on needs. Same can be said about the French community and other language communities with their own dedicated add-ons repositories (I once thought about talking to French community about letting Add-on Updater check for updates from their repository; my personal rule is that I must obtain consent from communities before I can ask Add-on Updater to check for updates from new repos in future add-on releases; I'm indeed open to this proposal and would love to talk to French community members about it in the fall as it takes about a day or two to add new add-on repositories).

Cheers,

Joseph
Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Add-on update source option was added in 22.08. Also, note that some Add-on Updater settings panel options are unavailable unless you are using Windows 10 and NVDA is actually installed, particularly update notification combo box.

Cheers,

Joseph
hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Joseph


It looked when I updated to the latest add on with a 8 on it it went back to the previous version. I since then uninstalled the add on updater with the 7 which should of been 8 then reinstalled the latest and the options have came back.


All is good I see both sites but would be curious about the second question where or if you could toggle between the 2 sites with a gesture but did not find one so then it was not a option.


Could this be a option in a future release?


Gene nz


 

On 25/07/2022 1:34 pm, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi Joseph


In the latest release of the add on updater in the other version of it it let me go between the 2 websites to get addons but noticed when it updated that option is not there any more.

I think that one ended with a 7 and the one I just got ends in a 8 here the option has gone.


The second question was under the settings for the add on updater where it gave 2 options was there a gesture to toogle between the 2 sites instead of going into the settings each time I could not find one so guess there was not.


The update of the add on I just did just then you gave there is no option now for the 2 sites.


Gene nz

 

On 25/07/2022 10:14 am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Regarding the first question, ideally, yes but hard to do in practical terms. When opening websites, because sites are hosted around the world, it may take a while for some sites to load. For computers, the slowest component (usually memory, disk, and other hardware) contributes to overall performance. While it doesn't take long to gather add-on update metadata from both sites, there are times when Add-on Updater must locate the actual download ink for an add-on update, which is why it takes up to several seconds for the add-on to check for updates. This is for one site, now imagine doing this for multiple websites, and in this scenario, the site that is slowest to respond takes up significant portion of update check progress. Also, remember that different update sources may say different things about an add-on - some may give conflicting compatibility information for an add-on update, while another site may offer an older version of a compatible add-on. For these reasons, I decided to at least offer users a setting to configure update sources.

As for the second question, I advise keeping Tienda (see a reply from Jose-Manuel). This is why I intentionally told Add-on Updater (via add-on source code) to not check for updates for Tienda as that add-on is essentially the add-on store for the Spanish community. In an earlier Twitter thread, I assured Jose-Manuel that Add-on Updater is a client, not a full store like Tienda is, knowing that many of you from Spain and other Spanish-speaking countries rely on Tienda to meet their add-on needs. Same can be said about the French community and other language communities with their own dedicated add-ons repositories (I once thought about talking to French community about letting Add-on Updater check for updates from their repository; my personal rule is that I must obtain consent from communities before I can ask Add-on Updater to check for updates from new repos in future add-on releases; I'm indeed open to this proposal and would love to talk to French community members about it in the fall as it takes about a day or two to add new add-on repositories).

Cheers,

Joseph
Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Toggling update sources with a dedicated command: no. When you switch update sources, you are effectively telling NVDA (via Add-on Updater) to get add-on update metadata from a different website, which may or may not have all add-ons you've got and/or offer different versions and/or report different compatibility statements. This is why you'l get a confirmation message after switching to a different update source from Add-on Updater settings.

Cheers,

Joseph
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Well you would hardly need windows essentials if you were as I am using windows 7, would you?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] addOn Updater 2.8 and checking both International and Spanish-only NVDA?


Hi,

Add-on update source option was added in 22.08. Also, note that some Add-on Updater settings panel options are unavailable unless you are using Windows 10 and NVDA is actually installed, particularly update notification combo box.

Cheers,

Joseph

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