Hi all, After installation NVDA on my new laptop and changing some of the setting I have hit a problem and can’t work out what I’ve done or how to undo it.

When writing text into a document and insert an apostrophe NVDA pronounces the word and the letter at the end separately. For example, haven’t is pron=unced haven t, or couldn’t is pronounced couldn t. any advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks

Brian

I did try and change the pronunciation of ticketwo apostrophe and bang two exclamation  which is what I am used to here in the UK. Mayb maybe it’s something I’ve messed up there. Is there a quick way to return to defaults and try again?
Brian
On 17 Aug 2022, at 12:25 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
 Did you make changes in the Punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog?
Gene
On 8/17/2022 5:49 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

Hi all, After installation NVDA on my new laptop and changing some of the setting I have hit a problem and can’t work out what I’ve done or how to undo it.

When writing text into a document and insert an apostrophe NVDA pronounces the word and the letter at the end separately. For example, haven’t is pron=unced haven t, or couldn’t is pronounced couldn t. any advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks

Brian

NVDA doesn't have a restore defaults button in that dialog, but this

will work:

1. Find your user configuration directory. If you're using an installed

version of NVDA, Pressing Windows+r and typing %appdata%\nvda should put

you there.

2. Delete symbols-en.dic.

3. Restart NVDA.

On 8/17/2022 5:10 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

> I did try and change the pronunciation of ticketwo apostrophe and bang

> two exclamation  which is what I am used to here in the UK. Mayb maybe

> it’s something I’ve messed up there. Is there a quick way to return to

> defaults and try again?

> Brian

>

> On 17 Aug 2022, at 12:25 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

>

>  Did you make changes in the Punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog?

>

> Gene

> On 8/17/2022 5:49 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

>> 

>> Hi all, After installation NVDA on my new laptop and changing some of

>> the setting I have hit a problem and can’t work out what I’ve done or

>> how to undo it.

>> 

>> When writing text into a document and insert an apostrophe NVDA

>> pronounces the word and the letter at the end separately. For example,

>> haven’t is pron=unced haven t, or couldn’t is pronounced couldn t. any

>> advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks

>> 

>> Brian

>> 

>

>

I did try and change the pronunciation of ticketwo apostrophe and bang two exclamation  which is what I am used to here in the UK. Mayb maybe it’s something I’ve messed up there. Is there a quick way to return to defaults and try again?

Brian

On 17 Aug 2022, at 12:25 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Did you make changes in the Punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog?

Gene

On 8/17/2022 5:49 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

Hi all, After installation NVDA on my new laptop and changing some of the setting I have hit a problem and can’t work out what I’ve done or how to undo it.

When writing text into a document and insert an apostrophe NVDA pronounces the word and the letter at the end separately. For example, haven’t is pron=unced haven t, or couldn’t is pronounced couldn t. any advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks

Brian

NVDA doesn't have a restore defaults button in that dialog, but this will work:
1. Find your user configuration directory. If you're using an installed version of NVDA, Pressing Windows+r and typing %appdata%\nvda should put you there.
2. Delete symbols-en.dic.
3. Restart NVDA.

On 8/17/2022 5:10 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

I did try and change the pronunciation of ticketwo apostrophe and bang two exclamation  which is what I am used to here in the UK. Mayb maybe it’s something I’ve messed up there. Is there a quick way to return to defaults and try again?
Brian

On 17 Aug 2022, at 12:25 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Did you make changes in the Punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog?

Gene
On 8/17/2022 5:49 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

Hi all, After installation NVDA on my new laptop and changing some of the setting I have hit a problem and can’t work out what I’ve done or how to undo it.

When writing text into a document and insert an apostrophe NVDA pronounces the word and the letter at the end separately. For example, haven’t is pron=unced haven t, or couldn’t is pronounced couldn t. any advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks

Brian

Thanks for your advice. Worked wonders. I have successfully changed the pronunciation of tick and it now pronounces apostrophe. However I am not having the same success with bang. I want to replace it with exclamation. I have followed the same procedure as apostrophe but oddly no success.
Thanks again
Brian
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NVDA doesn't have a restore defaults button in that dialog, but this
will work:
1. Find your user configuration directory. If you're using an installed
version of NVDA, Pressing Windows+r and typing %appdata%\nvda should put
you there.
2. Delete symbols-en.dic.
3. Restart NVDA.
On 8/17/2022 5:10 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

> I did try and change the pronunciation of ticketwo apostrophe and bang

> two exclamation  which is what I am used to here in the UK. Mayb maybe

> it’s something I’ve messed up there. Is there a quick way to return to

> defaults and try again?

> Brian

>

> On 17 Aug 2022, at 12:25 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

>

>  Did you make changes in the Punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog?

>

> Gene

> On 8/17/2022 5:49 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

>>

>> Hi all, After installation NVDA on my new laptop and changing some of

>> the setting I have hit a problem and can’t work out what I’ve done or

>> how to undo it.

>>

>> When writing text into a document and insert an apostrophe NVDA

>> pronounces the word and the letter at the end separately. For example,

>> haven’t is pron=unced haven t, or couldn’t is pronounced couldn t. any

>> advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks

>>

>> Brian

>>

>

>

What are you currently getting for "apostrophe"?

There is the symbol:  in- word '
which is what you'd have in contractions that would need to be changed from "tick" to "apostrophe."  There are also three standalone instances of that character.

The easiest way to make sure you've got all of them is to enter the word  (no quotes) "tick" in the filter box, then what gets returned from that filtering in the first 4 entries are all of the various instances of the tick/apostrophe where you would want to change the replacement to apostrophe and, possibly, left apostrophe and right apostrophe if you are concerned about pairing.

In looking at the file Mr. Spivey made reference to, the only thing contained in it is the changes the user has made, and nothing else.  Mine has entries for the period character to make it say period rather than dot in certain contexts.  Hence the reason removing it effectively resets everything to defaults.  And since it is a text file, and probably has not too many entries for most users, if you did really want to check just what you've changed, and perhaps delete individual entries, opening it in Notepad and reviewing those lines is relatively simple.  You just have to be careful about what you're doing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 02:02 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:

There are two apostrophes and two exclamation marks.

-
There are 4 apostrophes, but you only get two of them if you use the apostrophe character in the filter box.  After I noticed this when using a search on "tick" that's why I suggested using that in the filter box.  The left and right pair don't show up with the character itself.

Whether I search on the exclamation point character, or the word "bang," I only get 2 options related to those.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

Hi all, After installation NVDA on my new laptop and changing some of the setting I have hit a problem and can’t work out what I’ve done or how to undo it.

When writing text into a document and insert an apostrophe NVDA pronounces the word and the letter at the end separately. For example, haven’t is pron=unced haven t, or couldn’t is pronounced couldn t. any advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks

Brian

There is no restore defaults button in the dialog. Someone may tell you
how to manually change the settings by saying what the defaults should
be, if you aren't sure.

I don't know if there is a way to restore defaults, perhaps by making a
portable copy from the exe file, then copying files concerning the
dialog you are working with. Someone may furnish instructions.

Gene

On 8/17/2022 7:10 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

I did try and change the pronunciation of ticketwo apostrophe and bang
two exclamation which is what I am used to here in the UK. Mayb maybe
it’s something I’ve messed up there. Is there a quick way to return to
defaults and try again?
Brian

On 17 Aug 2022, at 12:25 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Did you make changes in the Punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog?

Gene
On 8/17/2022 5:49 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

Hi all, After installation NVDA on my new laptop and changing some of
the setting I have hit a problem and can’t work out what I’ve done or
how to undo it.

When writing text into a document and insert an apostrophe NVDA
pronounces the word and the letter at the end separately. For
example, haven’t is pron=unced haven t, or couldn’t is pronounced
couldn t. any advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks

Brian

NO removing the file then re Running NVDA creates a new one, but it of course removes changes that worked.
What I cannot understand about the original query is how changing the name of any punctuation should change the way the word is pronounced.The only way that can happen is an unfortunate choice in a dictionary.

I do feel that the multiple occurrences of some punctuation is a bit odd though. Does anyone know if this means there are several characters with the same code, or are there several occurrences of the same one with different codes?
I had no issues changing bang, but the quotes are a bit of an issue, you do not want too verbose a description. There are, by the way several bullets as well.
Brian

There is no restore defaults button in the dialog. Someone may tell
you how to manually change the settings by saying what the defaults
should be, if you aren't sure.

I don't know if there is a way to restore defaults, perhaps by making
a portable copy from the exe file, then copying files concerning the
dialog you are working with. Someone may furnish instructions.

Gene

On 8/17/2022 7:10 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

I did try and change the pronunciation of ticketwo apostrophe and
bang two exclamation which is what I am used to here in the UK. Mayb
maybe it’s something I’ve messed up there. Is there a quick way to
return to defaults and try again?
Brian

On 17 Aug 2022, at 12:25 pm, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 Did you make changes in the Punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog?

Gene
On 8/17/2022 5:49 AM, Brian Williams wrote:

Hi all, After installation NVDA on my new laptop and changing some
of the setting I have hit a problem and can’t work out what I’ve
done or how to undo it.

When writing text into a document and insert an apostrophe NVDA
pronounces the word and the letter at the end separately. For
example, haven’t is pron=unced haven t, or couldn’t is pronounced
couldn t. any advice would be gratefully received. Many thanks

Brian

I don't understand the question.  If you are in the Punctuation/symbol pronunciation dialog and you are on a symbol, you can tab once to an edit field.  If you don't want tick to be spoken as tick, you can type what you want said, such as apostrophe.  You may be asking something else but I don't understand what it is if you are.

Gene

NO removing the file then re Running NVDA creates a new one, but it of course removes changes that worked.
What I cannot understand about the original query is how changing the name of any punctuation should change the way the word is pronounced.The only way that can happen is an unfortunate choice in a dictionary.

I do feel that the multiple occurrences of some punctuation is a bit odd though. Does anyone know if this means there are several characters with the same code, or are there several occurrences of the same one with different codes?
I had no issues changing bang, but the quotes are a bit of an issue, you do not want too verbose a description. There are, by the way several bullets as well.
Brian