Using Google Docs with NVDA
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Kenny Cheung
Hi,
I found out that for my creative writing class, we'll be using google dox. I'm wondering, how accessible is that with NVDA? Kenny |
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Bob Cavanaugh
It's doable, but I find it a little awkward to work with.
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On 8/24/22, Kenny Cheung <kennycheung0@...> wrote:
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There are scads of tutorials out there on using Google Docs with a screen reader, and Google has produced a number of them.
-- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard |
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Nimer Jaber
It is accessible and works pretty well. I use it daily. Please ask if you run into issues. On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 7:02 PM Kenny Cheung <kennycheung0@...> wrote: Hi, --
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Brian's Mail list account
Yes its just a great shame that shortcuts could not be agreed between companies for similar functions, as muscle memory is a lot to do with productivity.
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IE I still hate ribbons for this reason on Microsoft. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 3:13 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] using google dox with NVDA There are scads of tutorials out there on using Google Docs with a screen reader, and Google has produced a number of them. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 *The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.* ~ Vance Packard |
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Nimer Jaber
Which is why ribbon search and menu search features exist. Trainers, since the beginning of AT training days, have relied entirely too much on keyboard commands. Which takes away one premise of why we use a GUI. Anyway, I won’t continue on my rant and will leave it at that. On Thu, Aug 25, 2022, 01:38 Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: Yes its just a great shame that shortcuts could not be agreed between |
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 04:38 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I still hate ribbons for this reason on Microsoft.- And every time I hear this I think, "So freakin' what?!" Ribbons are here to stay, period, and they are simply a menu system that uses a slightly different structure. And keyboard shortcuts have nothing whatsoever to do with whether you're using a ribbon interface, menu interface, or neither of the above. There are only so many key combinations under the sun, and because different programs need to do all sorts of different things it is inevitable that there will be reuses of the same keyboard commands in different contexts. It is long, long, long past time that the perpetual whining, and that's what it is, about the Ribbons interface is called out for the inanity that it is. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, or if I like it or not. It's the interface we have and must learn to use, regardless of our respective visual status. Get over it! -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard |
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Ribbons aren’t that hard to learn. You just have to make up your mind that you’ll buckle down and learn them.
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Yes its just a great shame that shortcuts could not be agreed between companies for similar functions, as muscle memory is a lot to do with productivity. IE I still hate ribbons for this reason on Microsoft.
Brian
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There are scads of tutorials out there on using Google Docs with a screen reader, and Google has produced a number of them. --
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.*
~ Vance Packard
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 11:44 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Ribbons aren’t that hard to learn. You just have to make up your mind that you’ll buckle down and learn them.- And, scary as it is to think, there are some youngsters (very youngsters, they'd have to be under 20, but still definitely using computers) who have never known anything but the ribbons interface. It showed up in the 2007-ish timeframe, depending on the exact Microsoft product. And, heaven knows, we could eventually see ribbons ditched for something else, who knows? But whatever it is that happens to be the native interface at any time, we've got to learn it. And while moaning is a part of dealing with change, there's a limited period of time during which that's tolerable. Seventeen years after the fact is well beyond that period of time. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard |
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That should have been fifteen years after the fact, not seventeen. Darned mental holdover from typing 2007! I can add and subtract.
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Arlene
Hey, it is what it is! I’ve been trying to tackle ribbons since I first got windows 7. I’m still trying to learn ribbons. They are different. I don’t like them myself. No sense in wining we have to have them. Ither I learn them or not I think they are here to stay. I think the more you use them you get used to them. I don’t use them often I know I have to get used to ribbons.
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Brian's Mail list account
ER, Brian, now who is ranting?
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I do feel along with a lot of others, that its nowhere near as intuitive as the old menu structure, but that is all I shall say.I've carried the discussion to the chat group now anyway. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2022 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Google Docs with NVDA On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 04:38 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote: - And every time I hear this I think, "So freakin' what?!" Ribbons are here to stay, period, and they are simply a menu system that uses a slightly different structure. And keyboard shortcuts have nothing whatsoever to do with whether you're using a ribbon interface, menu interface, or neither of the above. There are only so many key combinations under the sun, and because different programs need to do all sorts of different things it is inevitable that there will be reuses of the same keyboard commands in different contexts. It is long, long, long past time that the perpetual whining, and that's what it is, about the Ribbons interface is called out for the inanity that it is. It doesn't matter if you like it or not, or if I like it or not. It's the interface we have and must learn to use, regardless of our respective visual status. Get over it! -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 *The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.* ~ Vance Packard |
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Gene
If you had learned ribbons first and had good and detailed
instruction, you might be saying the same thing about menus.
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I don't recall if you worked with my tutorial about ribbons. It may be that your individual brain has more problems conceptualizing ribbons but it may simply be that you didn't have good instruction in them. It doesn't matter what a lot of other people think in this instance because we have no idea why they think it. Do they really find ribbons more difficult because they do or because they haven't had good instruction in them. Gene On 8/26/2022 2:11 AM, Brian's Mail list
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 03:11 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
ER, Brian, now who is ranting?- I was, and make no bones about it. This plaint is way, way, way past it's expiration date. But, as you've noted, this has now been moved to a topic on the Chat Subgroup. I would be far from the only person who would be eternally grateful if they never heard a single complaint about the ribbon interface again. Complaining about it, rather than having basic skills if not complete mastery of it, 15 years after its introduction is the very definition of the phrase, "pissing into the wind." There are many among us who are tired of the "spray" we get hit with as a result. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard |
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Nolan Darilek
Here are a couple issues I've had with it, would appreciate some advice if anyone has it: * I've enabled Braille display support because my understanding is that makes things more accessible. And indeed, this does seem to use native HTML elements/attributes vs. whatever Google hand-rolled to emulate screen reader support. But I've also noticed it doesn't handle longer lines or paragraphs. It's as if speech stops partway through reading the line. And it'd be better if they just wrapped, but either they don't, or the wrapping is only visual and not accessible. Is there a fix for this? Or should I just disable Braille support? * A lot of the hotkeys use ctrl-alt-n as a prefix, and that's the
hotkey I use to restart NVDA. Can't remember if I added this
myself or if it's the default. I know I can change this, but at
this point ctrl-alt-n is muscle memory, and changing this for one
application is going to be a lot of trouble. Is there any way to
work around this? I know I can use the menus to jump to the next
comment/annotation/whatever, but that's several keystrokes instead
of one, and makes editing collaboratively a bit of a pain.
Guessing the answer is no and I'll have to deal, but maybe there's
a way to work around this that I don't know of. I recently had a writing gig where I needed a collaborative online editor. We migrated to Markdown and a GitHub PR-based workflow, but that's not ideal for a variety of reasons. If I can figure out how to make Docs workable, it'd likely be a better option. Thanks for any tips. On 8/24/2022 9:14 PM, Nimer Jaber
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farhan israk
Google docs is accessible and you can search the menu. Press Alt+/ and search your desired menu. On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 3:16 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
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Kenny Cheung
Thanks. I looked up a NVDA tutorial for google docx.
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Sent from Kenny’s iPhone On Sep 4, 2022, at 13:24, farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:
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farhan israk
I do not know about any tutorials for nvda users. However, freedom scientific has made some tutorials for jaws users. Most of them are the same for nvda users. you can find those tutorials on their youtube and podcast channel. On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 11:44 PM Kenny Cheung <kennycheung0@...> wrote:
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On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 01:44 PM, Kenny Cheung wrote:
I looked up a NVDA tutorial for google docx.- I strongly suggest to any screen reader user, of any screen reader, that they do searches on the phrase "screen reader" and the software or web app rather than specifying the specific screen reader you happen to be using. There's lots of material written for screen reader users in general that eschews discussing the screen reader itself, since virtually everything being discussed is about the software or web app, and the screen reader is incidental. There's also a ton of information pitched at users of one screen reader, say JAWS, that is directly applicable to NVDA users as well with very minimal, sometimes no, "translation" necessary because the focus is normally on the thing being accessed rather than the screen reader being used to access it. Go "screen reader broad" first. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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