Pause / resume "say all" with "shift" key


bering.p
 

Hi.
I always thought that pressing the "shift" key allowed you to interrupt the "say all" or to resume it.
Out, I note that if the option "Speech interrupt for typed characters" is not checked, this is not the case.
The speech does not stop.
On the other hand, if the option is checked, the speech is interrupted then resumed fine.
Do you see the same thing?
I couldn't find anything in the user manual about this.
Thank you.

Best regards.
Paul.

  


Cyrille
 

Hello Paul

Yes, confirmed on my side.
This seems to be a bug of NVDA.
You can open a GitHub issue for it if you want it to be fixed.

Cheers,

Cyrille



On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 03:25 PM, bering.p wrote:
Hi.
I always thought that pressing the "shift" key allowed you to interrupt the "say all" or to resume it.
Out, I note that if the option "Speech interrupt for typed characters" is not checked, this is not the case.
The speech does not stop.
On the other hand, if the option is checked, the speech is interrupted then resumed fine.
Do you see the same thing?
I couldn't find anything in the user manual about this.
Thank you.

Best regards.
Paul.
 


Betsy Grenevitch
 

It works for me. I have not checked my settings to be able to tell you why it works but I just tried it a couple of times and it is working here. I am using the latest version of NVDA as far as I know.


On 9/10/2022 4:05 PM, Cyrille via groups.io wrote:
Hello Paul

Yes, confirmed on my side.
This seems to be a bug of NVDA.
You can open a GitHub issue for it if you want it to be fixed.

Cheers,

Cyrille



On Sat, Sep 10, 2022 at 03:25 PM, bering.p wrote:
Hi.
I always thought that pressing the "shift" key allowed you to interrupt the "say all" or to resume it.
Out, I note that if the option "Speech interrupt for typed characters" is not checked, this is not the case.
The speech does not stop.
On the other hand, if the option is checked, the speech is interrupted then resumed fine.
Do you see the same thing?
I couldn't find anything in the user manual about this.
Thank you.

Best regards.
Paul.
 
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Abbie Taylor
 

Most of the time, I use the control key to silence speech. But sometimes, it doesn't work, and the shift key works in those cases. I didn't know about the setting, bug or not, that would allow the shift key to silence speech consistently. Could someone please tell us where this is located? I'm sure other inquiring minds want to know.


 

The setting I leave on is
"NVDA menu",
"Preferences",
Settings",
"Keyboard" category in the list,
Tab over a few Times to
"Speech interrupt for Typed Characters".
Turning this off disables the Shift key's pause/resume feature of NVDA.

Jason Bratcher


Sarah k Alawami
 

Has this already been submitted as a bug report on nvda's bighub? If not this probably should be.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason Bratcher
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 10:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pause / resume "say all" with "shift" key

The setting I leave on is
"NVDA menu",
"Preferences",
Settings",
"Keyboard" category in the list,
Tab over a few Times to
"Speech interrupt for Typed Characters".
Turning this off disables the Shift key's pause/resume feature of NVDA.

Jason Bratcher


Gene
 

It may be a bug, but I doubt it.  Consider the following:
When the check box is checked and you press shift, pause turns on. It turns on when you press shift, not when you release it.  If you press shift and type a letter, let's say b, speech is interrupted and pause is turned off.  In other words, pressing shift turns it on and typing a letter interrupts speech, which overrides the pause function.

If the check box is unchecked, how is NVDA going to know whether to pause speech or not?  It will pause speech whether you just press shift or press shift and type a letter.  This is not what is intended because it disables the noninterruption of speech when typing shifted letters.  My guess is that disabling the shift, pause speech feature is intentional when the check box is unchecked.

Gene

On 9/12/2022 1:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Has this already been submitted as a bug report on nvda's bighub? If not this probably should be.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason Bratcher
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 10:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pause / resume "say all" with "shift" key

The setting I leave on is
"NVDA menu",
"Preferences",
Settings",
"Keyboard" category in the list,
Tab over a few Times to
"Speech interrupt for Typed Characters".
Turning this off disables the Shift key's pause/resume feature of NVDA.

Jason Bratcher











bering.p
 

Hi.
That's what I think too.
Certainly, the choice of the "Shift" key to interrupt speech may not be very judicious.
It would take another key to keep the functionality whatever the setting.
This feature does not seem to be described in the user manual.
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 12/09/2022 20:51, Gene a écrit :

It may be a bug, but I doubt it.  Consider the following:
When the check box is checked and you press shift, pause turns on. It 
turns on when you press shift, not when you release it.  If you press 
shift and type a letter, let's say b, speech is interrupted and pause is 
turned off.  In other words, pressing shift turns it on and typing a 
letter interrupts speech, which overrides the pause function.

If the check box is unchecked, how is NVDA going to know whether to 
pause speech or not?  It will pause speech whether you just press shift 
or press shift and type a letter.  This is not what is intended because 
it disables the noninterruption of speech when typing shifted letters.  
My guess is that disabling the shift, pause speech feature is 
intentional when the check box is unchecked.

Gene

On 9/12/2022 1:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Has this already  been submitted as a bug report on nvda's bighub? If not this probably should be.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason Bratcher
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 10:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pause / resume "say all" with "shift" key

The setting I leave on is
"NVDA menu",
"Preferences",
Settings",
"Keyboard" category in the list,
Tab over a few Times to
"Speech interrupt for Typed Characters".
Turning this off disables the Shift key's pause/resume feature of NVDA.

Jason Bratcher




















Gene
 

I don't think there is another suitable key.  Control is already used to interrupt speech because it does nothing when pressed by itself. 

I suspect few people turn interrupt speech off and I suspect that that is the reason we haven't had this discussed before.  Pause speech using shift has been an NVDA feature for years.

Gene

On 9/13/2022 1:32 AM, bering.p wrote:

Hi.
That's what I think too.
Certainly, the choice of the "Shift" key to interrupt speech may not be very judicious.
It would take another key to keep the functionality whatever the setting.
This feature does not seem to be described in the user manual.
Best regards.
Paul.
Le 12/09/2022 20:51, Gene a écrit :
It may be a bug, but I doubt it.  Consider the following:
When the check box is checked and you press shift, pause turns on. It 
turns on when you press shift, not when you release it.  If you press 
shift and type a letter, let's say b, speech is interrupted and pause is 
turned off.  In other words, pressing shift turns it on and typing a 
letter interrupts speech, which overrides the pause function.

If the check box is unchecked, how is NVDA going to know whether to 
pause speech or not?  It will pause speech whether you just press shift 
or press shift and type a letter.  This is not what is intended because 
it disables the noninterruption of speech when typing shifted letters.  
My guess is that disabling the shift, pause speech feature is 
intentional when the check box is unchecked.

Gene

On 9/12/2022 1:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Has this already  been submitted as a bug report on nvda's bighub? If not this probably should be.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason Bratcher
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 10:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Pause / resume "say all" with "shift" key

The setting I leave on is
"NVDA menu",
"Preferences",
Settings",
"Keyboard" category in the list,
Tab over a few Times to
"Speech interrupt for Typed Characters".
Turning this off disables the Shift key's pause/resume feature of NVDA.

Jason Bratcher



















Sascha Cowley
 

It is described in the manual in section 4.6. Basic NVDA commands.