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Don H
I just bought a new HP envy 15 with win 11. The issue I have discovered is that this laptop has no control key on the right side of the keyboard. Having great trouble using some NVDA and Windows commands having to reach over to the left side for the control key. Is there some kind of remedy for this problem other than returning the computer?
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Could you give the exact model number, please? There are lots of HP Envy 15 series machines.
-- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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Johnny Lam
One solution is, you could always try getting a cheap $10 USB keyboard, or a wireless one, that’s what I do for my laptops. Works great. |
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Louis Maher
Hello Don,
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I use a Logitech k360 wireless keyboard, with a dongle, to make up for laptop keyboard incompleteness. This keyboard is somewhat old; but there should be newer versions. from Amazon. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail: ljmaher03@... -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 3:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] new computer I just bought a new HP envy 15 with win 11. The issue I have discovered is that this laptop has no control key on the right side of the keyboard. Having great trouble using some NVDA and Windows commands having to reach over to the left side for the control key. Is there some kind of remedy for this problem other than returning the computer? |
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Don H
Yea I am gona pay $1000 for a laptop and have to use a wireless keyboard. Don't think so!
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Going back to Sams Club. On 9/16/2022 4:15 PM, Louis Maher wrote:
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 05:24 PM, Don H wrote:
Going back to Sams Club.- So, what are the keys, going from leftmost to rightmost, stopping when you hit the Zero on the number pad? I have never seen an HP laptop with a keyboard that doesn't have, and usually in this order, the following keys on the bottom row of the keyboard from left to right: CTRL, Fn. Windows Key, ALT, Spacebar, ALT, CTRL, Left Arrow, Up/Down arrow pair (or sometimes just down arrow, with up on its own row), and Right Arrow. What does NVDA read out when you put it into Input Help Mode (Toggles on/off with NVDA + 1)? I'd love to know what they've put down there. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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By the way, I'd forgotten that NVDA Input Help does not announce the FN key when it's pressed, as I haven't used this mode in a while. Here's what I get from NVDA Speech Viewer using my HP 15-gw series machine:
speech viewer enabled
input help on [NVDA + Main Keyboard Number 1]
left control
[Nothing spoken here when Fn is pressed] left windows
left alt
space
right alt
right control
left arrow
down arrow
up arrow
right arrow
-- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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Arlene
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From: Johnny Lam
Sent: September 16, 2022 1:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] new computer
One solution is, you could always try getting a cheap $10 USB keyboard, or a wireless one, that’s what I do for my laptops. Works great.
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I have to say that for anyone such as myself (and I presume Don H is the same) that uses our laptop as a true, traveling machine that the external keyboard option is unacceptable. We want a keyboard on the machine itself that we can, and will, use in all circumstances. Even some who are using a laptop as a substitute for a desktop still don't want the additional clutter an external keyboard involves.
I'm glad that specific wireless keyboards that some others might use have been identified, though. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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Arlene
I understand. I’ve had my wireless keyboard before I got this laptop. I do use its keyboard from time to time should this one die.
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: September 16, 2022 3:32 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] new computer
I have to say that for anyone such as myself (and I presume Don H is the same) that uses our laptop as a true, traveling machine that the external keyboard option is unacceptable. We want a keyboard on the machine itself that we can, and will, use in all circumstances. Even some who are using a laptop as a substitute for a desktop still don't want the additional clutter an external keyboard involves. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt
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Don H
Where there is normally a control key next to the arrow keys, that is
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where the finger print reader is located. The 6 year old Envy I am using now has both control keys. Looked at other computers when took this one back and only the HP envy 15.6 and 17.3 inch models have this setup. On 9/16/2022 4:48 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Don H
If I pay a thousand bucks for a computer I sure ain't gona have to also
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buy a keyboard to use it. Guess I will go back to looking at the Lenovo Yoga or Ideapad. On 9/16/2022 5:32 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 06:40 PM, Don H wrote:
Guess I will go back to looking at the Lenovo Yoga or Ideapad.- I'd also strongly encourage you to look at places other than Sam's Club. WalMart and Sam's Club both have models that are only sold in those stores, and often vary from the almost exactly the same model elsewhere. And on many occasions there's little cost savings, too, unless you're buying a bottom of the barrel machine, and you're definitely not doing that. Asus makes some good machines, too, as does Acer at the high end of its line. The Dell Outlet is not a bad place to look, either, unless you're anti-Dell, and some are. Normally I'd recommend looking at business-class refurbished machines, too, as they're very often great values and have much better build quality than consumer class machines, but right now there's a dearth of those in general, and particularly any that have the specs to run Windows 11, and you don't want to buy a new machine now that either isn't already coming with Windows 11 or can be upgraded to it. The clock is ticking on Windows 10, and October 2025 will be here before we know it! -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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Don H
The other thing I want is a numeric key pad thus looking only at 15 and
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higher screen sizes. Most smaller laptops don't have this feature. I also have not seen any Asus with the numeric key pad and few Dells have one. This Envy I currently have is still working fine but one of the hinges on the screen is falling apart. Of course it is over 6 years old having only a 4th gen I 7 processor. On 9/16/2022 6:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Brian's Mail list account
Yes the problem with laptops is what keys are missing or only available by two other keys is so random. I have an old Dell, and that has no right hand windows context menu key unless you hit two other keys and yet it does haves full numeric pad. An HP has not got this but even with the control keys freed to do what they should do the placement of keys or lack of functionality is a real pain. I'd have thought except for the really small laptops, one could, by using smaller keys a bit like some bluetooth ones oar tablets, could have everything a full size keyboard has, and allow enough room between keys and movement to be usable by most.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] new computer I have to say that for anyone such as myself (and I presume Don H is the same) that uses our laptop as a true, traveling machine that the external keyboard option is unacceptable. We want a keyboard on the machine itself that we can, and will, use in all circumstances. Even some who are using a laptop as a substitute for a desktop still don't want the additional clutter an external keyboard involves. I'm glad that specific wireless keyboards that some others might use have been identified, though. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 It is well to open one's mind but only as a preliminary to closing it . . . for the supreme act of judgment and selection. ~ Irving Babbitt |
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Well, I'd go as far as saying that I am not aware of any laptop I find easy to type on and that has all the keys in sensible places, or indeed has them at all. So often things like page up and down, insert, and context windows keys or the right hand control are in such places or emulated by multiple keys that one needs to be a concert pianist to use it as a blind person.
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] new computer If I pay a thousand bucks for a computer I sure ain't gona have to also buy a keyboard to use it. Guess I will go back to looking at the Lenovo Yoga or Ideapad. On 9/16/2022 5:32 PM, Brian Vogel wrote: I have to say that for anyone such as myself (and I presume Don H is the |
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Brian's Mail list account
Well personal opinion warning...
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In my view computers are designed with an all too short life. Half the problems are to do with Microsoft trying to force higher spec and extra chips on people. Most do not give a monkeys, as long as it works in my experience. This machine is 2016, and I maintain that its really fast enough for most common jobs still. In the current cash strapped world, I think something will have to give here. Sorry, I feel better now. As I say Hive the loan of a very slim, very light hp, and its such a shame that one has to attach a keyboard to it to keep ones blood pressure down and productivity up. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] new computer The other thing I want is a numeric key pad thus looking only at 15 and higher screen sizes. Most smaller laptops don't have this feature. I also have not seen any Asus with the numeric key pad and few Dells have one. This Envy I currently have is still working fine but one of the hinges on the screen is falling apart. Of course it is over 6 years old having only a 4th gen I 7 processor. On 9/16/2022 6:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 06:40 PM, Don H wrote: |
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Yes I have two of those, it comes with a mouse that has a switch on the bottom so sighted people can use it.
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The battery life is phenomenal. However it could be scaled down, in my view, to fit in a backpack, and really I see no real reason why laptop makers cannot make decent standard keyboards on their machines. Maybe we have a whole generation who have never seen a keypad? Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher03@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] new computer Hello Don, I use a Logitech k360 wireless keyboard, with a dongle, to make up for laptop keyboard incompleteness. This keyboard is somewhat old; but there should be newer versions. from Amazon. Regards Louis Maher Phone: 713-444-7838 E-mail: ljmaher03@... -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 3:18 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] new computer I just bought a new HP envy 15 with win 11. The issue I have discovered is that this laptop has no control key on the right side of the keyboard. Having great trouble using some NVDA and Windows commands having to reach over to the left side for the control key. Is there some kind of remedy for this problem other than returning the computer? |
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mr Krit Kumar kedia
hi, You can use sharp keys. It's a software to replace your keys with each other. You can make right control to any key that is not usable in your laptop or you dont have a requirement of that particular key. You can get it from the Microsoft store. thanks, On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 1:35 PM Brian's Mail list account via groups.io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: Yes I have two of those, it comes with a mouse that has a switch on the |
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I agree, I still have this hp ryzen 2nd gen here with windows10.
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And its doing all what I want. My next may be a intel 11th gen hp and its got the features I like, duel drive, etc. However The only advantage I get is windows 11 which isn't the big thing I thought it was. I won't get anything over 10. The only thing that may get me to upgrade bar hard ware failure would be if I needed it for something. My dad kept his old 4th gen system till it litterally wouldn't turn on which it did last year. He upgraded to a lenovo 10th gen with the ability to go 11. It is unlikely due to 11 being like it is and the fact he is retired that he will ever upgrade to 11. And if ever I get something on 11 I'd probably just go back to 10. 10 does what I need and its unlikely microsoft like the windows before it will just stop it. Even if it does, 99.9% of all windows programs will probably continue to work. As long as I can brouse the net and all my programs for that work then thats fine. On 17/09/2022 8:02 pm, Brian's Mail list account via groups.io wrote:
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