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Its no different in Edge, I like Edge, but its often a bit illogical to me in the way it likes you to do stuff.
I have seldom had problems logging in to their site on any of the newer browsers myself. I guess it would be nice to get a bit more hand holding by detecting a screen reader and telling you what is expected, but a bit of trial and error seems to work.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] apple.com


I am using chrome and this happened in both windows 10 and 11. I have not tried it in firefox yet and edge just gives me a headache.

On 9/27/2022 8:15 AM, Jackie wrote:
Robert, what browser are you currently using, & which version of
Windows. Also, have you tried another browser to see if it behaves
similarly?

On 9/27/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The page it takes me to when I hit the link for Manage Apple ID is:
https://appleid.apple.com

The only thing on that page that you're intended to interact with, really,
is the Sign-In button, at least if you already have an Apple account. The
rest is just information about what an Apple ID/Account is.
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Yes Edge. I don't think it really is an application the fact that only tab and select work is intended. You can brows the shop and all of that, but at some point you get thrown back to the Apple ID page and if you don't have one you can create one. At some point you seem to also get the lost your details section, which I did not try as I did not want to muck up my existing ID, no I think the restricted access at the start is intentional, and only what they want you to select are visible in tab, no cursoring as there is not really any point.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] apple.com


Hey Brian V--when you first go to the page, NVDA says "application".
Robert's right that you can't do anything there. I usually hit either
tab or the spacebar, but you're still stuck in a forms mode type
situation. NVDA + spacebar or escape gets you out of that & allows
arrow keys to work as expected. I don't know precisely what this
"application" is when the page comes up--I often see this same thing
in some video players, though that doesn't seem to be the case here.
I'm just curious how this behaves for a sighted user. It is a bit
weird, but by no means insurmountable. & this is w/both Firefox &
Chrome, Windows 10.

On 9/27/22, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:
Robert, what browser are you currently using, & which version of
Windows. Also, have you tried another browser to see if it behaves
similarly?

On 9/27/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The page it takes me to when I hit the link for Manage Apple ID is:
https://appleid.apple.com

The only thing on that page that you're intended to interact with,
really,
is the Sign-In button, at least if you already have an Apple account.
The
rest is just information about what an Apple ID/Account is.
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Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

~ Austin O'Malley






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On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:52 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
Yes, but having to tab just to get to the sign in button is inefficient.
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I'd complain to Apple in this case.  The entire reason for a separate page with another button to push as part of the login process eludes me.

The design not only of the process, but that page, is pretty awful.  Unnecessary hoops R' Us.
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Jackie I just tried your suggestion with NVDA+space and it works just fine. thank you very much.

On 9/27/2022 8:15 AM, Jackie wrote:
Robert, what browser are you currently using, & which version of
Windows. Also, have you tried another browser to see if it behaves
similarly?

On 9/27/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The page it takes me to when I hit the link for Manage Apple ID is:
https://appleid.apple.com

The only thing on that page that you're intended to interact with, really,
is the Sign-In button, at least if you already have an Apple account.  The
rest is just information about what an Apple ID/Account is.
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Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

~ Austin O'Malley





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I am using chrome and this happened in both windows 10 and 11. I have not tried it in firefox yet and edge just gives me a headache.

On 9/27/2022 8:15 AM, Jackie wrote:
Robert, what browser are you currently using, & which version of
Windows. Also, have you tried another browser to see if it behaves
similarly?

On 9/27/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The page it takes me to when I hit the link for Manage Apple ID is:
https://appleid.apple.com

The only thing on that page that you're intended to interact with, really,
is the Sign-In button, at least if you already have an Apple account.  The
rest is just information about what an Apple ID/Account is.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

~ Austin O'Malley





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Sometimes I think I understand everything, and then I regain consciousness.
---------
Family Times theatre
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or ask your smart speaker to play family times on tune-in


Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Yes, but having to tab just to get to the sign in button is inefficient.

On 9/27/2022 7:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The page it takes me to when I hit the link for Manage Apple ID is:  https://appleid.apple.com 

The only thing on that page that you're intended to interact with, really, is the Sign-In button, at least if you already have an Apple account.  The rest is just information about what an Apple ID/Account is.
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Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley

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Edited

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 06:20 PM, Jackie wrote:
Person, maybe?
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What people say is very often a product of the era in which they were alive.  And the "crazy old lady" and "crazy old man" tropes are both way, way older than I am.  O'Malley lived from 1858 to 1932, and social conventions and writing conventions were quite different then.  I'd fully expect that someone of that era would have used male pronouns only when referring to humankind (once, mankind, which always meant all of humanity).  One of the dangers I see today is that there is an insistance of reading certain historical texts as though they were written with the writing conventions of today, which they were not.  Knowing the conventions of the milieu when a piece of literature originated is often vital to actually understanding what the author was trying to say.

The personification of memory using one of those previously noted two tropes was, to me, a "flip a coin and pick one" affair.  The point is about the nature of memory, and the personification serves that purpose only.  It's not a comment on male or female.

For those interested in a bit more information on Austin O'Malley, see:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_O'Malley_(author) 

P.S.:  The medical appointment went as well as could be expected.  The crisis occurred on August 1st.  This was a 2-month follow-up. 
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Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


Jackie
 

Person, maybe? & yeah--I should've checked the spelling. I was off to
get my hair done. & sometimes O'malley's right about what we all do.
Hope the dr. appointment went ok.

On 9/27/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 02:13 PM, Jackie wrote:


BTW, Ausin O'Malley, IMO, is a sheauvinist.
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Then change it to "crazy old man".  You're missing the point.  [And because
I know you value correctness, it's spelled "chauvinist."]
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 02:13 PM, Jackie wrote:
BTW, Ausin O'Malley, IMO, is a sheauvinist.
-
Then change it to "crazy old man".  You're missing the point.  [And because I know you value correctness, it's spelled "chauvinist."]
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Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


Jackie
 

I guess I was just looking for what you told me, Brian, ie, how it
looks to you. NVDA does kind of get stuck initially.

BTW, Ausin O'Malley, IMO, is a sheauvinist.

On 9/27/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 10:23 AM, Jackie wrote:


Hey Brian V--when you first go to the page, NVDA says "application".
Robert's right that you can't do anything there. I usually hit either
tab or the spacebar, but you're still stuck in a forms mode type
situation. NVDA + spacebar or escape gets you out of that & allows
arrow keys to work as expected.
-
Jackie,

First, this is a case where "how this works if you're sighted" is pretty
much entirely disjoint from what's going on for a screen reader user.  The
"Sign In" button on that page is large and pretty much one of the first
things you see if you scroll just a slight bit.  When "we, the sighted" see
that we'd just click it.  We have no reason to know or care what's going on
under the hood.  Visual cuing is a very powerful tool in a visual medium,
and webpages, though they contain plenty of text, are definitely very often
designed with visual cuing as a core part of it.

When I go to the noted page, if I try down arrowing all I get is a message
along the lines of "waiting for www.apple.com" ( http://www.apple.com" ) (I
thought I'd copied out what I got from speech viewer, but didn't, and am too
lazy at the moment to go back).  When I then hit tab I heard "application"
and I think on the next tab I landed on the sign in button.

I very seldom try to arrow around a page.  I tab on many that I know (or
even suspect of being a form of some kind), use NVDA find, or use the
elements list, pretty much in that order.

I can and will do anything specific you'd like me to do as far as getting
information you'd like to have, I'm just not quite certain what that is,
either in the "doing" part or information part.
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 10:23 AM, Jackie wrote:
Hey Brian V--when you first go to the page, NVDA says "application".
Robert's right that you can't do anything there. I usually hit either
tab or the spacebar, but you're still stuck in a forms mode type
situation. NVDA + spacebar or escape gets you out of that & allows
arrow keys to work as expected.
-
Jackie,

First, this is a case where "how this works if you're sighted" is pretty much entirely disjoint from what's going on for a screen reader user.  The "Sign In" button on that page is large and pretty much one of the first things you see if you scroll just a slight bit.  When "we, the sighted" see that we'd just click it.  We have no reason to know or care what's going on under the hood.  Visual cuing is a very powerful tool in a visual medium, and webpages, though they contain plenty of text, are definitely very often designed with visual cuing as a core part of it.

When I go to the noted page, if I try down arrowing all I get is a message along the lines of "waiting for www.apple.com" (I thought I'd copied out what I got from speech viewer, but didn't, and am too lazy at the moment to go back).  When I then hit tab I heard "application" and I think on the next tab I landed on the sign in button.

I very seldom try to arrow around a page.  I tab on many that I know (or even suspect of being a form of some kind), use NVDA find, or use the elements list, pretty much in that order.

I can and will do anything specific you'd like me to do as far as getting information you'd like to have, I'm just not quite certain what that is, either in the "doing" part or information part.
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Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


 

Jackie,

I'll play with this later today.  I'm off with my partner to a doctor's appointment right now.
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Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


Jackie
 

Hey Brian V--when you first go to the page, NVDA says "application".
Robert's right that you can't do anything there. I usually hit either
tab or the spacebar, but you're still stuck in a forms mode type
situation. NVDA + spacebar or escape gets you out of that & allows
arrow keys to work as expected. I don't know precisely what this
"application" is when the page comes up--I often see this same thing
in some video players, though that doesn't seem to be the case here.
I'm just curious how this behaves for a sighted user. It is a bit
weird, but by no means insurmountable. & this is w/both Firefox &
Chrome, Windows 10.

On 9/27/22, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:
Robert, what browser are you currently using, & which version of
Windows. Also, have you tried another browser to see if it behaves
similarly?

On 9/27/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The page it takes me to when I hit the link for Manage Apple ID is:
https://appleid.apple.com

The only thing on that page that you're intended to interact with,
really,
is the Sign-In button, at least if you already have an Apple account.
The
rest is just information about what an Apple ID/Account is.
--

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Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

~ Austin O'Malley






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Robert, what browser are you currently using, & which version of
Windows. Also, have you tried another browser to see if it behaves
similarly?

On 9/27/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
The page it takes me to when I hit the link for Manage Apple ID is:
https://appleid.apple.com

The only thing on that page that you're intended to interact with, really,
is the Sign-In button, at least if you already have an Apple account.  The
rest is just information about what an Apple ID/Account is.
--

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~ Austin O'Malley





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The page it takes me to when I hit the link for Manage Apple ID is:  https://appleid.apple.com 

The only thing on that page that you're intended to interact with, really, is the Sign-In button, at least if you already have an Apple account.  The rest is just information about what an Apple ID/Account is.
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I think this is how its supposed to work. It wants your apple ID or for you to create one. I don't think there is anything else other than the categories to find.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 12:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] apple.com


this page is fine until I open, "manage Apple ID". Then i cannot arrow
up and down the page I am forced to tab to get where I want.

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Unfortunately escape doesn't help.

On 9/26/2022 5:27 PM, Jackie wrote:
Try hitting nvda+space or escape.

On 9/26/22, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
this page is fine until I open, "manage Apple ID". Then i cannot arrow
up and down the page I am forced to tab to get where I want.

--
******
Sometimes I think I understand everything, and then I regain
consciousness.
---------
Family Times theatre
http://familytimes.wrighthere.net:9244/stream
or ask your smart speaker to play family times on tune-in






--
******
Sometimes I think I understand everything, and then I regain consciousness.
---------
Family Times theatre
http://familytimes.wrighthere.net:9244/stream
or ask your smart speaker to play family times on tune-in


Jackie
 

Try hitting nvda+space or escape.

On 9/26/22, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
this page is fine until I open, "manage Apple ID". Then i cannot arrow
up and down the page I am forced to tab to get where I want.

--
******
Sometimes I think I understand everything, and then I regain
consciousness.
---------
Family Times theatre
http://familytimes.wrighthere.net:9244/stream
or ask your smart speaker to play family times on tune-in






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Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

this page is fine until I open, "manage Apple ID". Then i cannot arrow up and down the page I am forced to tab to get where I want.

--
******
Sometimes I think I understand everything, and then I regain consciousness.
---------
Family Times theatre
http://familytimes.wrighthere.net:9244/stream
or ask your smart speaker to play family times on tune-in