In fear over upggrading


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I think you need to address the underlying cause here. In any new version with no add ons, it works, so that is a bit of a clue. Might I suggest that it could be an add on which is corrupt in some way or indeed may be just interacting with something else?
The fact that its doing it with an update seems to me to suggest the latter, as if it was an incompatible add on in itself, you would get a warning first. Unfortunately you have burned your bridges. Whenever I get something like this, I make a simple copy of the portable version and see that it runs, then update one, but not both of them. This way you can restore the working version quite simply, whether it be the installed or the portable one.
However in the end you need to identify what the culprit actually is.

Do one thing at a time and test, its the only really sure way to see what has happened, and do it on a portable version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <htraxler7@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] In fear over upggrading


As I fearred: I installed the 22.2.3 and it won't start. I think I'll
have to make another portable like the one I'm running now.


On 9/27/2022 8:40 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:15 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:

I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix.

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No. Portable versions are their own little world, entirely separate
from installed versions. As Gene has noted, you can update a portable
version within its own little world, but this is not how I read what
you're describing.

I would simply uninstall your installed version of NVDA, download the
new version's installer from the NVAccess site, and install that. If
you want a portable version of the latest version, you can either do
that with the installer before you actually install NVDA to your
system, or you can create it afterward from the freshly installed
instance of NVDA - your choice.
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Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

~ Austin O'Malley





Gene
 

I don't see any reason to empty the Recycle Bin.  You may if you wish but files won't run that are there.  They just sit and do nothing.

Gene

On 9/27/2022 12:16 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

This will be in add remove, then you can go to run, type %appdata% then nuke the nvda folder and empty the recycle bin.  I would then restart, start narrator, find your installer for nvda and install.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In fear over upggrading

 

Good idea: uninstall.  Does NVDA have an uninstall somewhere in its menus or should I try to find it in the windows control panel add / remove function?  This stuff gets so confusing to an old feble mind.

 

Thanks.

Howard

On 9/27/2022 12:03 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Why not just uninstall nvda, then hose the nvda folder in %appdata% It looks like something is corrupted and right now it’s better to chop off the head when you have a headache than to deal with ht ecorruption.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In fear over upggrading

 

As I fearred:  I installed the 22.2.3 and it won't start.  I think I'll have to make another portable like the one I'm running now.

 

On 9/27/2022 8:40 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:15 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:

I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix. 

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No.  Portable versions are their own little world, entirely separate from installed versions.  As Gene has noted, you can update a portable version within its own little world, but this is not how I read what you're describing.

I would simply uninstall your installed version of NVDA, download the new version's installer from the NVAccess site, and install that.  If you want a portable version of the latest version, you can either do that with the installer before you actually install NVDA to your system, or you can create it afterward from the freshly installed instance of NVDA - your choice.
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Brian Virginia, USA  Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley



Sarah k Alawami
 

This will be in add remove, then you can go to run, type %appdata% then nuke the nvda folder and empty the recycle bin.  I would then restart, start narrator, find your installer for nvda and install.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In fear over upggrading

 

Good idea: uninstall.  Does NVDA have an uninstall somewhere in its menus or should I try to find it in the windows control panel add / remove function?  This stuff gets so confusing to an old feble mind.

 

Thanks.

Howard

On 9/27/2022 12:03 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Why not just uninstall nvda, then hose the nvda folder in %appdata% It looks like something is corrupted and right now it’s better to chop off the head when you have a headache than to deal with ht ecorruption.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In fear over upggrading

 

As I fearred:  I installed the 22.2.3 and it won't start.  I think I'll have to make another portable like the one I'm running now.

 

On 9/27/2022 8:40 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:15 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:

I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix. 

-
No.  Portable versions are their own little world, entirely separate from installed versions.  As Gene has noted, you can update a portable version within its own little world, but this is not how I read what you're describing.

I would simply uninstall your installed version of NVDA, download the new version's installer from the NVAccess site, and install that.  If you want a portable version of the latest version, you can either do that with the installer before you actually install NVDA to your system, or you can create it afterward from the freshly installed instance of NVDA - your choice.
--

Brian Virginia, USA  Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


Howard Traxler
 

Good idea: uninstall.  Does NVDA have an uninstall somewhere in its menus or should I try to find it in the windows control panel add / remove function?  This stuff gets so confusing to an old feble mind.


Thanks.

Howard

On 9/27/2022 12:03 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Why not just uninstall nvda, then hose the nvda folder in %appdata% It looks like something is corrupted and right now it’s better to chop off the head when you have a headache than to deal with ht ecorruption.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In fear over upggrading

 

As I fearred:  I installed the 22.2.3 and it won't start.  I think I'll have to make another portable like the one I'm running now.

 

On 9/27/2022 8:40 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:15 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:

I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix. 

-
No.  Portable versions are their own little world, entirely separate from installed versions.  As Gene has noted, you can update a portable version within its own little world, but this is not how I read what you're describing.

I would simply uninstall your installed version of NVDA, download the new version's installer from the NVAccess site, and install that.  If you want a portable version of the latest version, you can either do that with the installer before you actually install NVDA to your system, or you can create it afterward from the freshly installed instance of NVDA - your choice.
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Brian Virginia, USA  Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


Nermin
 

Hi Howard,


are you using anything other than Windows Defender or a third-party firewall?

Not sure if you need to accept something in that case.


What happens if you start Narrator, then try to enable NVDA? Is there an error message that Narrator is able to catch?


Regards,

Nermin


 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 12:58 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
As I fearred:  I installed the 22.2.3 and it won't start. 
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You really should take the time and effort to diagnose and fix what's causing this, which is unlikely to be NVDA itself.

Once you have a portable version you can use, I'd uninstall the installed version of NVDA, nuke the %APPDATA%\nvda folder and the NVDA folder under C:\Program Files (x86), then  Using DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) and SFC (System File Checker) to Repair Windows 8.1, 10 & 11. for starters.

Something is wrong with your system if NVDA won't start, and it's not likely to only affect NVDA.

You've also not mentioned which Version and Build of Windows you're using, which would be useful to know.
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Brian Virginia, USA  Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


Sarah k Alawami
 

Why not just uninstall nvda, then hose the nvda folder in %appdata% It looks like something is corrupted and right now it’s better to chop off the head when you have a headache than to deal with ht ecorruption.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In fear over upggrading

 

As I fearred:  I installed the 22.2.3 and it won't start.  I think I'll have to make another portable like the one I'm running now.

 

On 9/27/2022 8:40 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:15 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:

I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix. 

-
No.  Portable versions are their own little world, entirely separate from installed versions.  As Gene has noted, you can update a portable version within its own little world, but this is not how I read what you're describing.

I would simply uninstall your installed version of NVDA, download the new version's installer from the NVAccess site, and install that.  If you want a portable version of the latest version, you can either do that with the installer before you actually install NVDA to your system, or you can create it afterward from the freshly installed instance of NVDA - your choice.
--

Brian Virginia, USA  Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


Howard Traxler
 

As I fearred:  I installed the 22.2.3 and it won't start.  I think I'll have to make another portable like the one I'm running now.


On 9/27/2022 8:40 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:15 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix. 
-
No.  Portable versions are their own little world, entirely separate from installed versions.  As Gene has noted, you can update a portable version within its own little world, but this is not how I read what you're describing.

I would simply uninstall your installed version of NVDA, download the new version's installer from the NVAccess site, and install that.  If you want a portable version of the latest version, you can either do that with the installer before you actually install NVDA to your system, or you can create it afterward from the freshly installed instance of NVDA - your choice.
--

Brian Virginia, USA  Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


Sarah k Alawami
 

I would also blow your  add ons and folder of nvda in %appdata% out of the water and start over. I had to do this when a portable version corrupted and I had no idea as all was working there.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In fear over upggrading

 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:15 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:

I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix. 

-
No.  Portable versions are their own little world, entirely separate from installed versions.  As Gene has noted, you can update a portable version within its own little world, but this is not how I read what you're describing.

I would simply uninstall your installed version of NVDA, download the new version's installer from the NVAccess site, and install that.  If you want a portable version of the latest version, you can either do that with the installer before you actually install NVDA to your system, or you can create it afterward from the freshly installed instance of NVDA - your choice.
--

Brian Virginia, USA  Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


 

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 09:15 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix. 
-
No.  Portable versions are their own little world, entirely separate from installed versions.  As Gene has noted, you can update a portable version within its own little world, but this is not how I read what you're describing.

I would simply uninstall your installed version of NVDA, download the new version's installer from the NVAccess site, and install that.  If you want a portable version of the latest version, you can either do that with the installer before you actually install NVDA to your system, or you can create it afterward from the freshly installed instance of NVDA - your choice.
--

Brian Virginia, USA  Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Memory is a crazy woman that hoards rags and throws away food.

         ~ Austin O'Malley


Gene
 

If you update from within the portable version, it will remain a portable version.  If you update add-ons, they will be updated in the portable version if you update them in that version.

Gene

On 9/27/2022 8:15 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
When NVDA 22.2 came out, I could never get it installed.  Now there are remnants of it in there that I can't even find.  I'm afraid the latest will give me the same problem.  So I'm running a portable version that is copied into a folder just off the root on the hard drive.  I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix.  And I wonder what it'll do to the add-ons I have on there. It's quite a puzzlement.


Any ideas?  Thanks.

Howard





Howard Traxler
 

When NVDA 22.2 came out, I could never get it installed.  Now there are remnants of it in there that I can't even find.  I'm afraid the latest will give me the same problem.  So I'm running a portable version that is copied into a folder just off the root on the hard drive.  I wonder if an update will find that portable version to fix.  And I wonder what it'll do to the add-ons I have on there.  It's quite a puzzlement.


Any ideas?  Thanks.

Howard