Hello,
this is a short message to inform you of the existence of a new little
addon.
It was made for some particular cases, so we are aware that no many
users will install it, but there are lots of people with many kinds of
difficulties and disabilites.


Thanks to the excellent work of Alberto Zanella, SpeaKey was born.

This add-on adds a keyboard shortcut (Control + Escape) that activates
the repeated key reading mode.
When the repeat key reading mode is active, NVDA will announce any key
when pressed once. If you press it a second time, the key is passed to
the application, you will hear a confirmation beep.
This add-on is useful for people who are learning the keyboard and are
not completely confident when the key is pressed.

We also found it useful for this feature to extend to the functions of NVDA.
So for example, if I press nvda-t, we will first hear what that function
does and just by pressing it twice NVDA will read us the title of the
window.

If you know people who can benefit from this particular use of the
keyboard, please let them know!

Two useful links. The first, the one to download the component.

https://github.com/albzan/SpeaKey/releases/download/1.0/SpeaKey-1.0.nvda-addon

The second, the project page on Github:

https://github.com/albzan/SpeaKey

Hope this can help someone!

Hi,

I might bring this up on the add-ons list, but I advise avoiding Windows shortcut keys as much as possible since Control+Escape is used to open Start menu.

Cheers,

Joseph

"nvda+esc" is Already in use in "sound deactivate"

Às 10:55 de 21-10-2022, Rui Fontes escreveu:

I agree with Joseph...

Maybe NVDA+Escape?

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

Às 10:49 de 21/10/2022, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

I might bring this up on the add-ons list, but I advise avoiding Windows shortcut keys as much as possible since Control+Escape is used to open Start menu.

Cheers,

Joseph

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Il 21/10/2022 11:49, Joseph Lee ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> I might bring this up on the add-ons list, but I advise avoiding Windows
> shortcut keys as much as possible since Control+Escape is used to open
> Start menu.

Hello,
just to give some explanation, we chose control-esc because they are the
easiest keys to explain when training and teaching someone the keyboard.
They are lateral and are therefore located at the two ends to the left
of the keyboard.

it is true that control-esc activates the Windows start menu, even if
this command is very old and reminds me a bit of the Middle Ages, when
there was no start key on keyboards.
However we are always open to new suggestions, if you find two simple
buttons that work in all parts of the world, we can think about it!

Cheers,

Il 21/10/2022 11:49, Joseph Lee ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> I might bring this up on the add-ons list, but I advise avoiding
Windows > shortcut keys as much as possible since Control+Escape is
used to open > Start menu.

Hello,
just to give some explanation, we chose control-esc because they are
the easiest keys to explain when training and teaching someone the keyboard.
They are lateral and are therefore located at the two ends to the left
of the keyboard.

it is true that control-esc activates the Windows start menu, even if
this command is very old and reminds me a bit of the Middle Ages, when
there was no start key on keyboards.
However we are always open to new suggestions, if you find two simple
buttons that work in all parts of the world, we can think about it!

Cheers,

Il 21/10/2022 11:49, Joseph Lee ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> I might bring this up on the add-ons list, but I advise avoiding
Windows > shortcut keys as much as possible since Control+Escape is
used to open > Start menu.

Hello,
just to give some explanation, we chose control-esc because they are
the easiest keys to explain when training and teaching someone the keyboard.
They are lateral and are therefore located at the two ends to the left
of the keyboard.

it is true that control-esc activates the Windows start menu, even if
this command is very old and reminds me a bit of the Middle Ages, when
there was no start key on keyboards.
However we are always open to new suggestions, if you find two simple
buttons that work in all parts of the world, we can think about it!

Cheers,

The grave key is the key left of the 1 key on the num row;  If you shift the grave key, you get the tilde key.

hth
I do not know.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: October 21, 2022 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SpeaKey: small addon for people who are learning the use of the keyboard or with hand problems

What is the graph key? I'm not all that familiar with that, if you mean insert plus tab, that is already taken in laptop mode. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandesh computer trainer HR
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SpeaKey: small addon for people who are learning the use of the keyboard or with hand problems

Hi everyone,
Thanks for thinking assign the screen reader key command for addon.
key
What about Insert+graph key?
Two fingers can be use in left hand?
Easy for little fingers (children can be enjoy the success while typing?

On 10/21/22, Simone Dal Maso <simone.dalmaso@...> wrote:

Il 21/10/2022 11:49, Joseph Lee ha scritto:
 > Hi,
 >
 > I might bring this up on the add-ons list, but I advise avoiding 
Windows  > shortcut keys as much as possible since Control+Escape is 
used to open  > Start menu.

Hello,
just to give some explanation, we chose control-esc because they are 
the easiest keys to explain when training and teaching someone the keyboard.
They are lateral and are therefore located at the two ends to the left 
of the keyboard.

it is true that control-esc activates the Windows start menu, even if 
this command is very old and reminds me a bit of the Middle Ages, when 
there was no start key on keyboards.
However we are always open to new suggestions, if you find two simple 
buttons that work in all parts of the world, we can think about it!

  Cheers,

--
With Regards
Sandesh HR

Il 22/10/2022 07:40, Gene ha scritto:

I think this question is pretty much meaningless.  I doubt much of anyone uses control escape anymore.  That command, I strongly suspect, was intended for a time when a lot of keyboards didn't have the Windows key yet.

Exactly. In the 90s control-esc was used to open the start menu, because keyboards with the start key did not exist or were just starting to be produced.
Now the start button is essential.
For us from an educational point of view it is the best solution.

The alternative existed, and that was to press ctrl-backbar. By back bar I mean the key next to 1, on the left.
Someone had written the same thing in a message earlier.
Unfortunately, NVDA doesn't accept that key combination. I can't explain why. It could also be a bug.
In any case, I'm not sure if that combination works in all parts of the world.
That key has different meanings, I think. But still, control-esc remains the simpler choice.

Bye!

Control escape works here when I'm using NVDA. I don't know why it
doesn't work where you've tested it. Have you issued the bypass command
before seeing if the command works or not? I don't see why NVDA would
be the problem.

At any rate while not wanting to have command conflicts, in this case,
I don't think it matters.

Gene

On 10/22/2022 6:11 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:

Il 22/10/2022 07:40, Gene ha scritto:

I think this question is pretty much meaningless. I doubt much of
anyone uses control escape anymore. That command, I strongly
suspect, was intended for a time when a lot of keyboards didn't have
the Windows key yet.

Exactly. In the 90s control-esc was used to open the start menu,
because keyboards with the start key did not exist or were just
starting to be produced.
Now the start button is essential.
For us from an educational point of view it is the best solution.

The alternative existed, and that was to press ctrl-backbar. By back
bar I mean the key next to 1, on the left.
Someone had written the same thing in a message earlier.
Unfortunately, NVDA doesn't accept that key combination. I can't
explain why. It could also be a bug.
In any case, I'm not sure if that combination works in all parts of
the world.
That key has different meanings, I think. But still, control-esc
remains the simpler choice.

Bye!

Hi team,
Control+escape key is window key command. It takes your focus to start menu.
If we asign the key with screen reader with insert key, it is remember
for user.
Insert+graph key. (located left side of alpha numeric key)


On 10/22/22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Control escape works here when I'm using NVDA. I don't know why it
doesn't work where you've tested it. Have you issued the bypass command
before seeing if the command works or not? I don't see why NVDA would
be the problem.

At any rate while not wanting to have command conflicts, in this case,
I don't think it matters.

Gene

On 10/22/2022 6:11 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:

Il 22/10/2022 07:40, Gene ha scritto:

I think this question is pretty much meaningless. I doubt much of
anyone uses control escape anymore. That command, I strongly
suspect, was intended for a time when a lot of keyboards didn't have
the Windows key yet.

Exactly. In the 90s control-esc was used to open the start menu,
because keyboards with the start key did not exist or were just
starting to be produced.
Now the start button is essential.
For us from an educational point of view it is the best solution.

The alternative existed, and that was to press ctrl-backbar. By back
bar I mean the key next to 1, on the left.
Someone had written the same thing in a message earlier.
Unfortunately, NVDA doesn't accept that key combination. I can't
explain why. It could also be a bug.
In any case, I'm not sure if that combination works in all parts of
the world.
That key has different meanings, I think. But still, control-esc
remains the simpler choice.

Bye!

I think this question is pretty much meaningless.  I doubt much of anyone uses control escape anymore.  That command, I strongly suspect, was intended for a time when a lot of keyboards didn't have the Windows key yet.  The Windows key has been around for decades and I doubt much of anyone uses control escape anymore.  Control escape is a convenient command for the add-on to use.  I doubt there is another combination as convenient.  And it is exactly the same command whether one is using desktop or laptop mode and whether one has a laptop or a desktop keyboard.

Gene
On 10/22/2022 12:27 AM, Monte Single wrote:

The grave key is the key left of the 1 key on the num row;  If you shift the grave key, you get the tilde key.

hth

I do not know.

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami

Sent: October 21, 2022 11:16 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] SpeaKey: small addon for people who are learning the use of the keyboard or with hand problems

What is the graph key? I'm not all that familiar with that, if you mean insert plus tab, that is already taken in laptop mode. 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sandesh computer trainer HR

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 8:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] SpeaKey: small addon for people who are learning the use of the keyboard or with hand problems

Hi everyone,

Thanks for thinking assign the screen reader key command for addon.

key

What about Insert+graph key?

Two fingers can be use in left hand?

Easy for little fingers (children can be enjoy the success while typing?

On 10/21/22, Simone Dal Maso <simone.dalmaso@...> wrote:

Il 21/10/2022 11:49, Joseph Lee ha scritto:

 > Hi,

 >

 > I might bring this up on the add-ons list, but I advise avoiding 

Windows  > shortcut keys as much as possible since Control+Escape is 

used to open  > Start menu.

Hello,

just to give some explanation, we chose control-esc because they are 

the easiest keys to explain when training and teaching someone the keyboard.

They are lateral and are therefore located at the two ends to the left 

of the keyboard.

it is true that control-esc activates the Windows start menu, even if 

this command is very old and reminds me a bit of the Middle Ages, when 

there was no start key on keyboards.

However we are always open to new suggestions, if you find two simple 

buttons that work in all parts of the world, we can think about it!

  Cheers,

--

With Regards

Sandesh HR

On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 12:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I still use control escape actually.   It’s very rare

-
In fact, the use of CTRL + Esc to activate the Start Menu is so rare, and so much a part of the obscure hardware past, that I had never heard of it until reading this topic.

The Windows Key has been ubiquitous literally for decades, and there are a fixed number of keyboard shortcuts available, so reassigning them in specific contexts is not at all unusual.  It's the commonly and even kinda-sorta commonly used ones that it's best practice to avoid reassigning as it makes the possibility of both frustration and error very high.

I'd have no hesitation to use CTRL + ESC for something as I'd bet that even in a venue such as this one that we'd have fewer people than I can count on one hand that actually know about or use that combination.  The add-on under discussion is targeted at a very specific demographic where physical key access and ease of use of more-than-two-key-press-simultaneously shortcuts must be made the easiest.  The remapping of ultra-obscure and very, very rarely used shortcuts is very low on the list of concerns.
 
--

Brian - Virginia, USA  - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

There are many people who can only make themselves feel better about themselves by making themselves feel better than others.

    ~ Commenter Looking_in on the Washington Post, 7/10/2014

Lol. Yeah, control esc has been around since I started to learn windows in 1999 or so. I’ve always known it as control esc, I do use windows now, however still use control esc every once in a while, I also use control shift esc to access the task manager, not control alt del.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 9:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SpeaKey: small addon for people who are learning the use of the keyboard or with hand problems

 

On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 12:26 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I still use control escape actually.   It’s very rare

-
In fact, the use of CTRL + Esc to activate the Start Menu is so rare, and so much a part of the obscure hardware past, that I had never heard of it until reading this topic.

The Windows Key has been ubiquitous literally for decades, and there are a fixed number of keyboard shortcuts available, so reassigning them in specific contexts is not at all unusual.  It's the commonly and even kinda-sorta commonly used ones that it's best practice to avoid reassigning as it makes the possibility of both frustration and error very high.

I'd have no hesitation to use CTRL + ESC for something as I'd bet that even in a venue such as this one that we'd have fewer people than I can count on one hand that actually know about or use that combination.  The add-on under discussion is targeted at a very specific demographic where physical key access and ease of use of more-than-two-key-press-simultaneously shortcuts must be made the easiest.  The remapping of ultra-obscure and very, very rarely used shortcuts is very low on the list of concerns.
 
--

Brian - Virginia, USA  - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

There are many people who can only make themselves feel better about themselves by making themselves feel better than others.

    ~ Commenter Looking_in on the Washington Post, 7/10/2014