Perhaps Joseph was saying that the dictionary correction shouldn't be done and then people not report it to Microsoft because they worked around it.

Gene

On 11/22/2022 4:18 PM, Luke Robinett wrote:

Hi Joseph. I think we all agree it shouldn’t be considered a permanent fix, but it is a very simple and totally reversible workaround. It definitely made my life a lot easier. Now that it looks like the issue has been resolved on their end, I will delete the dictionary entry.

On Nov 21, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

This is the precise reason why I advised against speech dictionary changes for this issue as this is something Microsoft must take care of.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi Joseph. I think we all agree it shouldn’t be considered a permanent fix, but it is a very simple and totally reversible workaround. It definitely made my life a lot easier. Now that it looks like the issue has been resolved on their end, I will delete the dictionary entry.

On Nov 21, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

This is the precise reason why I advised against speech dictionary changes for this issue as this is something Microsoft must take care of.

Cheers,

Joseph

On Nov 21, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

This is the precise reason why I advised against speech dictionary changes for this issue as this is something Microsoft must take care of.

Cheers,

Joseph

Well, it still says it on mine.  Pam.

Sent from Mail for Windows

It helped in the short term though joseph.

I am just happy microsoft didn't take ages to fix this serverside issue.

Microsoft has often taken a while to fix issues.

I have had 2 occasions both with windows and office support where after showing support and them attempting to troubleshoot where I have had to take extreme measures to get my system working again because after support mucked in the system was basically bricked.

In both cases it took microsoft at least a month to fix the issue.

And microsoft never exactly acknowledged the issue as I put it even though they did have direct access.

From my search on the net on issues microsoft though they are not alone hasen't had a good track reccord according to some users.

The system is hardly acting up but when it does, it maybe easier to work round the issue in question then trying to ring support on it.

But then maybe I was unlucky.

At least this was fixed in a timely manner.

And at least microsoft updated whatever it was in the updates its got uploaded quickly though they never mentioned the update or feature.

In the end you do whatever it is to make it stop.

Yeah a perminant solution rests with the company making the software but that did make it go away.

Now that does mean if the phrase ever appeared nvda wouldn't speak it buut thats better than it speaking at all.

And now its fixed I can get rid of my quick and dirty fix.

Hi,

This is the precise reason why I advised against speech dictionary changes for this issue as this is something Microsoft must take care of.

Cheers,

Joseph

It helped in the short term though joseph.

I am just happy microsoft didn't take ages to fix this serverside issue.

Microsoft has often taken a while to fix issues.

I have had 2 occasions both with windows and office support where after showing support and them attempting to troubleshoot where I have had to take extreme measures to get my system working again because after support mucked in the system was basically bricked.

In both cases it took microsoft at least a month to fix the issue.

And microsoft never exactly acknowledged the issue as I put it even though they did have direct access.

From my search on the net on issues microsoft though they are not alone hasen't had a good track reccord according to some users.

The system is hardly acting up but when it does, it maybe easier to work round the issue in question then trying to ring support on it.

But then maybe I was unlucky.

At least this was fixed in a timely manner.

And at least microsoft updated whatever it was in the updates its got uploaded quickly though they never mentioned the update or feature.

In the end you do whatever it is to make it stop.

Yeah a perminant solution rests with the company making the software but that did make it go away.

Now that does mean if the phrase ever appeared nvda wouldn't speak it buut thats better than it speaking at all.

And now its fixed I can get rid of my quick and dirty fix.

Hi,

This is the precise reason why I advised against speech dictionary changes for this issue as this is something Microsoft must take care of.

Cheers,

Joseph

Hi,

This is the precise reason why I advised against speech dictionary changes for this issue as this is something Microsoft must take care of.

Cheers,

Joseph

Yep, it is gone for me as well, since yesterday, thank God! I did upvote and comment on the feedback someone left, so thanks for that.

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 11:14 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions are available"

Well, just as suddenly as this appeared, at least for me, it's gone. I tried a search last night and again today, and did not hear suggestions available, it worked just as it has until the last couple days.

On 11/18/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 02:23 PM, Gene wrote:

> 

>> 

>> Something appears to be changing that the screen-reader sees.

> 

> -

> And that is what has happened.  The visuals have not changed at all.

> 

> It would have made a lot more sense if, when nothing was found, a

> message such as, "No results found," were given.  Even something like,

> "Suggestions not available," makes little sense, as it's oblique.  In

> virtually all cases, unless you've typed something "really exotic"

> there will be suggestions available.  Notifying someone of this is

> like notifying them that water is wet.

> --

> 

> It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a

> mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content.

> That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real

> accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of

> ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us.

> 

> ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times ,

> 

> *Regulating Media* : It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea (

> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/opinion/letters/lgbt-gay-queer.html

> ?unlocked_article_code=Cl2WWm1HQ_zCiKdsJsYVPe7BCcvGmpAR4XYhXOT65_klpe4

> W5ZE5yKLwxjjj5FOKbJvCqJRyAkEe4CyWWBKaPbA8VD56UGKLnRTzuR2OMPQNRAG48gD9L

> EWkg70cspvjFJTxkmAQwp0LD5oGQy1QAuaclTYVJQg8lbv0oFv67C5YQe-Xu2OEExFOsgM

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> PpWoe0jmJE0kF&smid=share-url

> ) , November 13, 2022

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

> 

Yep, it is gone for me as well, since yesterday, thank God! I did
upvote and comment on the feedback someone left, so thanks for that.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying
"suggestions are available"

Well, just as suddenly as this appeared, at least for me, it's gone. I
tried a search last night and again today, and did not hear
suggestions available, it worked just as it has until the last couple days.

On 11/18/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 02:23 PM, Gene wrote:

Something appears to be changing that the screen-reader sees.

-
And that is what has happened. The visuals have not changed at all.

It would have made a lot more sense if, when nothing was found, a
message such as, "No results found," were given. Even something
like, "Suggestions not available," makes little sense, as it's
oblique. In virtually all cases, unless you've typed something "really exotic"
there will be suggestions available. Notifying someone of this is
like notifying them that water is wet.
--

It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a
mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content.
That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real
accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of
ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us.

~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times ,

*Regulating Media* : It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/opinion/letters/lgbt-gay-queer.htm
l
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) , November 13, 2022

Yep, it is gone for me as well, since yesterday, thank God! I did upvote and
comment on the feedback someone left, so thanks for that.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2022 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 start menu search box keeps saying "suggestions
are available"

Well, just as suddenly as this appeared, at least for me, it's gone. I tried
a search last night and again today, and did not hear suggestions available,
it worked just as it has until the last couple days.

On 11/18/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 02:23 PM, Gene wrote:

Something appears to be changing that the screen-reader sees.

-
And that is what has happened. The visuals have not changed at all.

It would have made a lot more sense if, when nothing was found, a
message such as, "No results found," were given. Even something like,
"Suggestions not available," makes little sense, as it's oblique. In
virtually all cases, unless you've typed something "really exotic"
there will be suggestions available. Notifying someone of this is
like notifying them that water is wet.
--

It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a
mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content.
That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real
accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of
ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us.

~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times ,

*Regulating Media* : It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/opinion/letters/lgbt-gay-queer.html
?unlocked_article_code=Cl2WWm1HQ_zCiKdsJsYVPe7BCcvGmpAR4XYhXOT65_klpe4
W5ZE5yKLwxjjj5FOKbJvCqJRyAkEe4CyWWBKaPbA8VD56UGKLnRTzuR2OMPQNRAG48gD9L
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62S_dC5i4IcdI79tVQADle0d4bV1XR4O75HB-knCzhBZt7-VnT2bDGpjvbNqiaGla9kEdB
PpWoe0jmJE0kF&smid=share-url
) , November 13, 2022

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 02:23 PM, Gene wrote:

Something appears to be changing that the screen-reader sees.

-
And that is what has happened. The visuals have not changed at all.

It would have made a lot more sense if, when nothing was found, a
message such as, "No results found," were given. Even something like,
"Suggestions not available," makes little sense, as it's oblique. In
virtually all cases, unless you've typed something "really exotic"
there will be suggestions available. Notifying someone of this is
like notifying them that water is wet.
--

It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a
mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content.
That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real
accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of
ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us.

~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times ,

*Regulating Media* : It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/opinion/letters/lgbt-gay-queer.html
?unlocked_article_code=Cl2WWm1HQ_zCiKdsJsYVPe7BCcvGmpAR4XYhXOT65_klpe4
W5ZE5yKLwxjjj5FOKbJvCqJRyAkEe4CyWWBKaPbA8VD56UGKLnRTzuR2OMPQNRAG48gD9L
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n262oX4rGs3e9a0qcNAXXDOGe7yCfqduZpjuGX5SvdUcsdzbvl0ywgXPDNtu7-kLwGhfXM
62S_dC5i4IcdI79tVQADle0d4bV1XR4O75HB-knCzhBZt7-VnT2bDGpjvbNqiaGla9kEdB
PpWoe0jmJE0kF&smid=share-url
) , November 13, 2022

Well, just as suddenly as this appeared, at least for me, it's gone. I
tried a search last night and again today, and did not hear
suggestions available, it worked just as it has until the last couple
days.

On 11/18/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 02:23 PM, Gene wrote:

Something appears to be changing that the screen-reader sees.

-
And that is what has happened.  The visuals have not changed at all.

It would have made a lot more sense if, when nothing was found, a message
such as, "No results found," were given.  Even something like, "Suggestions
not available," makes little sense, as it's oblique.  In virtually all
cases, unless you've typed something "really exotic" there will be
suggestions available.  Notifying someone of this is like notifying them
that water is wet.
--

It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass
media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is
nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and
almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous
nonsense. God help us.

~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times ,

*Regulating Media* : It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/opinion/letters/lgbt-gay-queer.html?unlocked_article_code=Cl2WWm1HQ_zCiKdsJsYVPe7BCcvGmpAR4XYhXOT65_klpe4W5ZE5yKLwxjjj5FOKbJvCqJRyAkEe4CyWWBKaPbA8VD56UGKLnRTzuR2OMPQNRAG48gD9LEWkg70cspvjFJTxkmAQwp0LD5oGQy1QAuaclTYVJQg8lbv0oFv67C5YQe-Xu2OEExFOsgMn262oX4rGs3e9a0qcNAXXDOGe7yCfqduZpjuGX5SvdUcsdzbvl0ywgXPDNtu7-kLwGhfXM62S_dC5i4IcdI79tVQADle0d4bV1XR4O75HB-knCzhBZt7-VnT2bDGpjvbNqiaGla9kEdBPpWoe0jmJE0kF&smid=share-url
) , November 13, 2022

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 02:23 PM, Gene wrote:

Something appears to be changing that the screen-reader sees.

-
And that is what has happened.  The visuals have not changed at all.

It would have made a lot more sense if, when nothing was found, a message
such as, "No results found," were given.  Even something like, "Suggestions
not available," makes little sense, as it's oblique.  In virtually all
cases, unless you've typed something "really exotic" there will be
suggestions available.  Notifying someone of this is like notifying them
that water is wet.
--

It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass
media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is
nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and
almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous
nonsense. God help us.

~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times ,

*Regulating Media* : It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/opinion/letters/lgbt-gay-queer.html?unlocked_article_code=Cl2WWm1HQ_zCiKdsJsYVPe7BCcvGmpAR4XYhXOT65_klpe4W5ZE5yKLwxjjj5FOKbJvCqJRyAkEe4CyWWBKaPbA8VD56UGKLnRTzuR2OMPQNRAG48gD9LEWkg70cspvjFJTxkmAQwp0LD5oGQy1QAuaclTYVJQg8lbv0oFv67C5YQe-Xu2OEExFOsgMn262oX4rGs3e9a0qcNAXXDOGe7yCfqduZpjuGX5SvdUcsdzbvl0ywgXPDNtu7-kLwGhfXM62S_dC5i4IcdI79tVQADle0d4bV1XR4O75HB-knCzhBZt7-VnT2bDGpjvbNqiaGla9kEdBPpWoe0jmJE0kF&smid=share-url
) , November 13, 2022

Just thought I’d report back to confirm that updating the default dictionary works like a champ! Should be plenty sufficient until a proper fix comes down the pipe, if that ever happens. Thanks again everybody

On Nov 18, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <lukelistservs@...> wrote:



Great, so the TLDR here for anyone just joining the thread seems to be:

1. Submit feedback to Microsoft accessibility

2. Functionally disable the announcement using the default speech dictionary

BTW sorry I missed the original thread about this. Admittedly I find both the email list and the groups.IO site a bit unwieldy so I wasn’t aware of the original topic. Thanks again, all.

Luke

On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 11:52 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Submit feedback

The former topic, suggestions announcements in search boxes, has been merged with this one, as they're really both about exactly the same issue.  All ongoing discussion should occur on this topic.

Since Sarah suggested submitting feedback, I will repeat that I have created feedback for this.  Anyone who wishes to can upvote and/or add comments to that feedback, as the amount of upvotes and comments any piece of feedback gets tends to make it "bubble up" in the list of things to look at on the development side.

See existing Microsoft feedback: "Suggestions available" announcement is an impediment to accessibility in Windows Search & Start Menu
--

It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us.

       ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times,

          Regulating Media: It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea, November 13, 2022

On Nov 18, 2022, at 10:40 AM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <lukelistservs@...> wrote:



Great, so the TLDR here for anyone just joining the thread seems to be:

1. Submit feedback to Microsoft accessibility

2. Functionally disable the announcement using the default speech dictionary

BTW sorry I missed the original thread about this. Admittedly I find both the email list and the groups.IO site a bit unwieldy so I wasn’t aware of the original topic. Thanks again, all.

Luke

On Nov 18, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 11:52 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Submit feedback

The former topic, suggestions announcements in search boxes, has been merged with this one, as they're really both about exactly the same issue.  All ongoing discussion should occur on this topic.

Since Sarah suggested submitting feedback, I will repeat that I have created feedback for this.  Anyone who wishes to can upvote and/or add comments to that feedback, as the amount of upvotes and comments any piece of feedback gets tends to make it "bubble up" in the list of things to look at on the development side.

See existing Microsoft feedback: "Suggestions available" announcement is an impediment to accessibility in Windows Search & Start Menu
--

It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us.

       ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times,

          Regulating Media: It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea, November 13, 2022

No.  The phrase isn't there or not seen.  Something is changing on screen.  If you move back, it should read everything on the line.  Even moving back and using the read current line command doesn't cause it to be read. 

Gene

On 11/18/2022 1:05 PM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:

My guess is moving the focus away and then back, it is jumping over that phrase of suggestions are available.

Dave

On 11/18/2022 4:07 AM, Gene wrote:

Here is a suggestion which is available.  (grin)  I found out something interesting.  First, the practical application:
If you are really in a hurry and don't want to hear the announcement, you can down arrow and up arrow very quickly as soon as you hear speech and the additional sentence won't be spoken.  Down arrow once, then up arrow once and you will just hear the suggestion.

Now, what I found out that caused me to realize you can do this:
I was playing with the start menu search.  Using NVDA and Windows 10, if I type the name of something if I use the read current line command, NVDA says suggestions are available every time before reading the name of the program.  But if I down arrow and then up arrow once to be where I was, reading the current line doesn't cause suggestions are available to be spoken.  I wonder what is going on from a programming point of view that the additional text disappears from the screen-reader's knowledge when you move away, then move back.

Gene

On 11/18/2022 12:39 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

As I said when this came up earlier, you can use the speech dictionary to silence the sentence.  Type it with no punctuation in the pattern field.  Leave the pronounced as field blank.

Gene

On 11/17/2022 10:39 PM, Luke Robinett wrote:

Hi,

 

I’m on the latest version of NVDA and using Windows 10 Home. As of the past couple days, every time I invoke the start menu and start typing an application’s name, NVDA announces “suggestions are available,” cutting off the announcement of the actual app’s name. I’m guessing this is because of a recent NVDA update, Windows update or a combination of both, but I’m not sure. Is anyone else experiencing this and is there a way to make it stop? I’m well aware that when I type into the start menu it will show suggestions. I don’t need NVDA telling me that every time. Lol. Thanks.

 

Luke