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Accessing the Recovery Pane in Excel
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 08:19 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
I get that there may be a fine line between "how do I do that with NVDA", and "how do I do that in Excel", but he clearly already knows how to do it in Excel, as he explained the steps. What he's trying to figure out is how to do it with NVDA, which instructions may differ significantly from Jaws or Narrator. Or if it can even be done with NVDA,- Actually, Luke, I don't believe he knows how to do it in Excel. He's explained the steps he's taken, and those don't make any sense to me, and while I do not have an exhaustive knowledge of Excel, I am familiar with Office Recovery panes. And I disagree with you, vehemently, that it's at all likely that what needs to be done would vary significantly between screen readers. This is about how to get to something in Excel, and I have yet to see a case where in discussions of doing something like this, the screen reader and the commands used are not incidental. I have pretty much explained that any question of the form, "How do I do {insert thing here} with {insert program here} with NVDA?," is almost certainly about the commands of {insert program here}, not NVDA. I stand by that assessment, and I stand by it if you insert JAWS or Narrator instead of NVDA. With the very rare exception of a bug in a given screen reader, these discussions always focus, intensely, on the keyboard commands of the program being accessed. The only exceptions to the above I've seen is when NVDA add-ons, that are focused on a specific program or narrow range of programs, is being asked about. Put most simply, "Read all is read all, activate is activate, etc." That's what you're doing with the screen reader. Opening the Styles menu in Word is about Word, as an example, and the screen reader being used is almost entirely irrelevant. -- It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us. ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times, Regulating Media: It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea, November 13, 2022 |
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Luke Davis
On Nov 22, Brian Vogel wrote:
Bob,This is off-topic here. I'd suggest you ask about the Excel Recovery Pane in the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion GroupBrian, with all possible respect, I am requesting some clarification on this ruling. My understanding from Bob's question, is that he wants to know how to use NVDA to access part of Excel, or whether a part of Excel is accessible to NVDA. Both of those would seem to be NVDA questions, not Excel questions directly. If NVDA is not speaking something the way it should, and someone wishes to know how to make NVDA do that, why is that off topic? I get that there may be a fine line between "how do I do that with NVDA", and "how do I do that in Excel", but he clearly already knows how to do it in Excel, as he explained the steps. What he's trying to figure out is how to do it with NVDA, which instructions may differ significantly from Jaws or Narrator. Or if it can even be done with NVDA, which are questions I, a generally reasonable person, think an NVDA list should be able to answer. Since obviously you, also a generally reasonable person, think the opposite, I request clarification. Perhaps my understanding of the issue is in error. The list homepage states: " The central purpose of this group is discussing how to use NVDA. This includes configuring NVDA's settings or familiarizing oneself with its modes and commands. " Only by determining that NVDA _can_ access that part of Excel, can he even determine whether this is an NVDA usage issue or an Excel usage issue. If it is an NVDA usage issue specifically, wouldn't that be on topic here, under the "modes and commands" exception to off-topicness? I asked this publicly because I think this kind of very fine line is often how people get confused about what is and isn't on topic here. I'm sure you have a very good reason for why this is not on topic, but if I fail to understand it, it's possible others do also. Luke |
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Bob,
This is off-topic here. I'd suggest you ask about the Excel Recovery Pane in the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group Archive: https://groups.io/g/office-accessibility/topics
There are a number of regulars there who are heavy-duty Excel users, too. -- It used to be understood that if you published and profited from a mass media platform you should also be responsible for its content. That idea is nowadays considered quaintly archaic. There is no real accountability, and almost limitless ability to post any kind of ridiculous and scurrilous nonsense. God help us. ~ Ross Goldbaum, Letter to the New York Times, Regulating Media: It’s Now Seen as a Quaint Idea, November 13, 2022 |
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Bob Cavanaugh
Hi all,
This might be off topic for this list, but this is something that has annoyed me for years, and I've never been able to get s streight answer to. How do I access the recovery pain in Excel? The support stuff I've seen tells me to go to file, info, manage workbook, and then choose recover unsaved workbooks. That brings up an open dialog that supposedly shows the temporary location where your files are. The problem is every time this happens that location is empty! When I close Excel, I am notified that the recovery pain contains files that weren't saved and asks if I want to view them next time I start Excel. There doesn't seem to be any way to access them though. Has anyone figured this out? Bob |
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