Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01, NVDA 2022.3 or later requirement for my add-ons are in effect #addonrelease
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Hi, Eight more add-ons will be updated around January 3, 2023: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Event Tracker, GoldWave, Object Location Tones, ObjPad, Resource Monitor, Sound Splitter, StationPlaylist, with these and others planned to be updated some time in February. Cheers, Joseph |
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David Ingram
Hi, joseph lee, what other add-ons do you have that have been updated that you think that i might like to try? My name is David and I'm not sure what other add-on that you have that i could take advantage of. Some of them sound interesting. Could you please send me a list of those updates that you have for the most recent version of nvda? Thank you for any information that you might have concerning my questions. -----Original Message-----
From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Dec 28, 2022 7:14 PM To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01, NVDA 2022.3 or later requirement for my add-ons are in effect #addonrelease
Hi all, Hopefully to help the thread settle down a lot: NVDA community add-ons website is now offering Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01. Cheers, Joseph
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Hi all, Hopefully to help the thread settle down a lot: NVDA community add-ons website is now offering Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01. Cheers, Joseph |
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On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 04:31 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
It just seems that changes often come far too often for many people I know and this may contribute to the issues of people using unprotected operating systems.- And I'll just refer to Gene Asner's observation in a post on the Chat Subgroup, where you introduced a topic where this could be discussed at length: "As I said, you can do most of what you did in XP in the same way or a similar way that requires very little learning." I've been in this business, along with teaching/tutoring, for a very long time now. And the core functions of Windows have remained amazingly stable for decades. If I put most individuals in front of a Windows 11 machine, configured with exactly the software they are accustomed to, and their desktop set up as it was on whatever prior version of Windows they had, I'm way more than willing to bet that it would take quite a while before "the first stumble" took place. Even Windows 8/8.1, which was a radical shift in the user interface, could be configured such that most users would not have known that they were using that specific version. There are changes, but they should not prove excessively challenging to anyone already familiar with Microsoft Windows, any version. Adjustments in "how I'm used to doing things" on occasion is a part of life in general. And I'll say it directly: Using unsupported and unpatched operating systems is just plain stupid, at least if you're doing the things that most of us do online these days. You have things, like your banking information, credit card information, health records, etc., that are far more difficult to rectify issues with if hacked than making adjustments in "how I'm used to doing things," is. Anyone who listens to news reports should be aware of just how critical it is to keep IT resources (whether personal or for an enterprise) up to date. Just like we don't use a wooden stick screwed into a door as "the lock" these days, . . . -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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Brian's Mail list account
I'm not saying it will change merely putting the view that they always will leave people behind struggling unless they spend time learning the change. It just seems that changes often come far too often for many people I know and this may contribute to the issues of people using unprotected operating systems. Look at the recent history of Braille note takers. They have been until recently using XP.
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Anyway, I'm not trying to change the world, merely noting the tendency for change for its own sake. Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01, NVDA 2022.3 or later requirement for my add-ons are in effect #addonrelease On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 03:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote: - Which is irrelevant. Windows as a service, and multiple supported versions of Windows 10, existed in the wild for years now. Windows 11 is not really all that much different than Windows 10. The sooner the public (not just you, and this is not, believe it or not, about you) gets over the idea that they have, or should have, any choice in the matter the better. Those of us who've been in the IT business for decades long ago realized you play the hand you're dealt, and the OS makers such as Microsoft, Apple, Google, and all the Linux distro makers are the dealers. As Sarah Alawami has said on multiple occasions, "You go with the flow or you drown trying to fight it." (or very similar) Getting with the program is a requirement, not an option. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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Rosemarie Chavarria
Amen, Brian. Windows 11 isn’t really that much different from windows 10. Like the old saying goes, you gotta roll with the punches or get left behind.
Rosemarie
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01, NVDA 2022.3 or later requirement for my add-ons are in effect #addonrelease
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 03:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson
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Hello All, I respectfully ask that all reminiscences about technology and software of the past be taken to the Chat Subgroup.
-- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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Rosemarie Chavarria
When I was first learning the computer, the Apple II E was the first computer I worked with. That’s neat there’s an emulator for it now so you can play games on it.
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From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 8:16 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01, NVDA 2022.3 or later requirement for my add-ons are in effect #addonrelease
The Apple II E. They have an emulator for that now. Got it for long enough to play some of those games and realise that, yes, in fact, they were mostly pretty lame. Except for the adventure games. Those were fun sometimes. I miss being able to play the Eamonx port for qbasic, but that doesn’t work on 64-bit Windows it seems, and running Dosbox just seemed a bridge too far, without a hardware synth anyway.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
lol. what I actually say is what a teacher said to us.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 03:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson
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Howard Traxler
Those games on the apple 2e: were those the games written in apple BASIC? It's fun trying to rewrite them for windows.
On 12/27/2022 10:16 AM, JM Casey wrote:
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JM Casey
The Apple II E. They have an emulator for that now. Got it for long enough to play some of those games and realise that, yes, in fact, they were mostly pretty lame. Except for the adventure games. Those were fun sometimes. I miss being able to play the Eamonx port for qbasic, but that doesn’t work on 64-bit Windows it seems, and running Dosbox just seemed a bridge too far, without a hardware synth anyway.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: December 27, 2022 10:52 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01, NVDA 2022.3 or later requirement for my add-ons are in effect #addonrelease
lol. what I actually say is what a teacher said to us.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 03:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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lol. what I actually say is what a teacher said to us.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 7:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01, NVDA 2022.3 or later requirement for my add-ons are in effect #addonrelease
On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 03:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 03:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
It does my brain in, personally!- Which is irrelevant. Windows as a service, and multiple supported versions of Windows 10, existed in the wild for years now. Windows 11 is not really all that much different than Windows 10. The sooner the public (not just you, and this is not, believe it or not, about you) gets over the idea that they have, or should have, any choice in the matter the better. Those of us who've been in the IT business for decades long ago realized you play the hand you're dealt, and the OS makers such as Microsoft, Apple, Google, and all the Linux distro makers are the dealers. As Sarah Alawami has said on multiple occasions, "You go with the flow or you drown trying to fight it." (or very similar) Getting with the program is a requirement, not an option. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit "Be Yourself" is the worst advice you can give to some people. ~ Tom Masson |
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Brian's Mail list account
This is not a criticism nor an attempt to change the subject as what you say makes sense, only that for many users, still the complexity of different Windows sub versions is a black art, and Microsoft as well are probably spending a lot of time fielding questions about why some things do not work correctly. Back in the days of Windows 7, there were updates but not feature changes. Now we have two different versions of Windows both of which get major feature changes rolled out. It does my brain in, personally!
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Brian -- bglists@... Sent via blueyonder.(Virgin media) Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 8:14 PM Subject: [nvda] Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01, NVDA 2022.3 or later requirement for my add-ons are in effect #AddonRelease Hi all, Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01 are on their way - Add-on Updater will offer them to you starting from 1 PM Pacific (4 PM Eastern, 21:00 UTC) on December 26th. These releases were also queued for distribution on community add-ons website - that is, you will need Add-on Updater to receive 23.01 releases. The biggest change for these releases is NVDA version requirement. Both add-ons now require NVDA 2022.3 or later. In fact, other add-ons such as Resource Monitor and Event Tracker will require NVDA 2022.3, and add-on update metadata used by Add-on Updater was updated to show the new requirement. Another reason for releasing these releases today is that both require Windows 10 or later. From its inception, Office Desk and Windows App Essentials are designed to run on Windows 10 and later, more so for Windows App Essentials as it requires supported Windows 10 and 11 feature updates (21H2 and later for both). Because other add-ons such as Resource Monitor supports soon to be unsupported Windows releases, these add-ons will receive updates on January 3, 2023 as scheduled, with these add-ons popping up a notice when attempting to install them on Windows 7, 8, and 8.1. Speaking of Windows App Essentials, version 23.01 adds a last minute change: after installing the new update, the add-on will record processor architecture for the Windows installation you are using - x86 (32-bit), AMD64, or ARM64. This feature is part of upcoming NVDA 2023.1 but was made available via this add-on for NVDA 2022.3 and upcoming 2022.4. If you are using alpha snapshots, processor architecture will be displayed as part of Windows version information at the top of the NVDA log (this is mostly useful for developers and power users who need to help someone troubleshoot issues on certain machines, most notably running Windows 11 on ARM64 processors such as Microsoft Surface Pro X). A change was also made to Windows App Essentials add-on based on conversations with several users on Twitter. The discussions revolved around NVDA's inability to read things from Reaper. The issue was traced to Windows App Essentials dropping UIA notification events while using Reaper, tied to "report notifications" setting in NVDA being turned off. To solve this, I have removed the ability for NVDA to turn off UIA notification announcement such as messages from Microsoft Edge and other apps if "report notifications" is unchecked from NVDA's object presentation settings panel. While I understand that this will lead to increased verbosity, the justification was strong based on post-mortem analysis (i.e. after thinking about Twitter conversations). Speaking of Twitter, a huge clarification about Windows App Essentials add-on: I know that some of you are using older Windows 10 releases that have either gone out of support (21H1) or are supported for enterprises (20H2), and did come across several tweets about add-on updates not being offered to you. This is intentional - Windows App Essentials closely follows Windows as a Service (WaaS) schedule, specifically modern lifecycle policy from Microsoft where a Windows 10 or 11 release is supported for a limited time; the add-on supports a given feature update up until end of consumer-level support (18 months for Windows 10 releases, two years for Windows 11 releases), so if you are indeed using older Windows 10 releases, please upgrade. The support duration policy will come to life on Windows 11 next September prior to end of consumer-level support for Windows 11 21H2 in October 2023. For Windows 10, from June 2023 at the earliest, Version 22H2 will be required, and for enterprise users on 21H2, I will post the download link for last compatible version of the add-on by then. Enjoy the new add-on releases. Cheers, Joseph |
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Hi all, One important thing I forgot: if you are using Windows App Essentials on latest Windows 11 22H2 beta and/or dev channel builds, the redesigned system tray (notification area) can be navigated via mouse and/or touch, more so after selecting "show hidden icons" button. Speaking of touch interaction, it might be possible that a bug fix from Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on regarding touch keyboard might be transferred to Windows App Essentials in 2023 due to the fact that the same app responsible for displaying emoji panel also houses touch keyboard in recent Windows 10 releases and later. The command to toggle touch keyboard (four finger flick right by default) will be kept in Enhanced Touch Gestures. Cheers, Joseph |
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Hi all, Office Desk and Windows App Essentials 23.01 are on their way – Add-on Updater will offer them to you starting from 1 PM Pacific (4 PM Eastern, 21:00 UTC) on December 26th. These releases were also queued for distribution on community add-ons website – that is, you will need Add-on Updater to receive 23.01 releases.
The biggest change for these releases is NVDA version requirement. Both add-ons now require NVDA 2022.3 or later. In fact, other add-ons such as Resource Monitor and Event Tracker will require NVDA 2022.3, and add-on update metadata used by Add-on Updater was updated to show the new requirement.
Another reason for releasing these releases today is that both require Windows 10 or later. From its inception, Office Desk and Windows App Essentials are designed to run on Windows 10 and later, more so for Windows App Essentials as it requires supported Windows 10 and 11 feature updates (21H2 and later for both). Because other add-ons such as Resource Monitor supports soon to be unsupported Windows releases, these add-ons will receive updates on January 3, 2023 as scheduled, with these add-ons popping up a notice when attempting to install them on Windows 7, 8, and 8.1.
Speaking of Windows App Essentials, version 23.01 adds a last minute change: after installing the new update, the add-on will record processor architecture for the Windows installation you are using – x86 (32-bit), AMD64, or ARM64. This feature is part of upcoming NVDA 2023.1 but was made available via this add-on for NVDA 2022.3 and upcoming 2022.4. If you are using alpha snapshots, processor architecture will be displayed as part of Windows version information at the top of the NVDA log (this is mostly useful for developers and power users who need to help someone troubleshoot issues on certain machines, most notably running Windows 11 on ARM64 processors such as Microsoft Surface Pro X).
A change was also made to Windows App Essentials add-on based on conversations with several users on Twitter. The discussions revolved around NVDA’s inability to read things from Reaper. The issue was traced to Windows App Essentials dropping UIA notification events while using Reaper, tied to “report notifications” setting in NVDA being turned off. To solve this, I have removed the ability for NVDA to turn off UIA notification announcement such as messages from Microsoft Edge and other apps if “report notifications” is unchecked from NVDA’s object presentation settings panel. While I understand that this will lead to increased verbosity, the justification was strong based on post-mortem analysis (i.e. after thinking about Twitter conversations).
Speaking of Twitter, a huge clarification about Windows App Essentials add-on: I know that some of you are using older Windows 10 releases that have either gone out of support (21H1) or are supported for enterprises (20H2), and did come across several tweets about add-on updates not being offered to you. This is intentional – Windows App Essentials closely follows Windows as a Service (WaaS) schedule, specifically modern lifecycle policy from Microsoft where a Windows 10 or 11 release is supported for a limited time; the add-on supports a given feature update up until end of consumer-level support (18 months for Windows 10 releases, two years for Windows 11 releases), so if you are indeed using older Windows 10 releases, please upgrade. The support duration policy will come to life on Windows 11 next September prior to end of consumer-level support for Windows 11 21H2 in October 2023. For Windows 10, from June 2023 at the earliest, Version 22H2 will be required, and for enterprise users on 21H2, I will post the download link for last compatible version of the add-on by then.
Enjoy the new add-on releases. Cheers, Joseph |
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