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Hi List, I have a local grocery store website I visit each week to see the current flyer. Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer. Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale. After a lot lot of tabbing I hear; “navigation bar frame preview” Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point? It is very close to the items for sale. Thanks, Mont
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On Jan 19, Monte Single wrote: After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;
“navigation bar frame preview”
Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point? Have you tried searching for any of those words in the Commands Quick Reference? (NVDA+N, H, Q) Were you to do so, you would likely find the Single Letter Navigation heading, and under it: M: frame So, try pressing M, and there is a probability that it will jump you directly to the frame containing the navigation bar / preview. Luke
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You need to be careful with some pages that use landmarks etc, like Amazon for instance as cursoring or tabbing can appear to trap you in the search system Many sites now have links to page content and page navigation.
Most work quite well but some appear to change nothing. Brian
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From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 3:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview
Hi List,
I have a local grocery store website I visit each week to see the current
flyer.
Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get
to the actual flyer.
Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale.
After a lot lot of tabbing I hear;
"navigation bar frame preview"
Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point?
It is very close to the items for sale.
Thanks,
Mont
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Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search
is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to
navigate web pages.
I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss
how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have
questions.
Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases
as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to
something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking
through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always
immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for.
Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It
may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on
that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you
are looking for in an efficient way.
Gene
On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Hi List,
I have a local grocery
store website I visit each week to see the current flyer.
Like all commercial web
sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the
actual flyer.
Using the heading or
list keys do not get me to the items for sale.
After a lot lot of
tabbing I hear;
“navigation bar frame
preview”
Is there a keystroke
that will get me to this point?
It is very close to the
items for sale.
Thanks,
Mont
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In my last message, I said that I didn't know what screen-reader you
were using. I didn't notice that the message came from the NVDA
list.
Luke's suggestion may work, I don't work with frames. But my
discussion is useful where this won't work. Also, it is very useful
at times when you want to repeatedly move to near the beginning of
new material repeatedly on some web pages.
If you are reading a forum discussion, if you look for something
above each message, such as the word posted, which may occur in some
forums above each message, you can repeat the search when you finish
one entry to move to the next one.
Gene
On 1/20/2023 8:43 AM, Gene wrote:
Use the
screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is
one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate
web pages.
I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss
how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have
questions.
Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such
cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to
something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking
through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is
always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking
for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated
text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on
that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item
you are looking for in an efficient way.
Gene
On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Hi List,
I have a local grocery
store website I visit each week to see the current
flyer.
Like all commercial
web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get
to the actual flyer.
Using the heading or
list keys do not get me to the items for sale.
After a lot lot of
tabbing I hear;
“navigation bar frame
preview”
Is there a keystroke
that will get me to this point?
It is very close to
the items for sale.
Thanks,
Mont
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Gene, my bad. I am using current versions ov win10 with latest nvda and google chrome. When you say to use the search function, is that the same as find?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.
I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.
Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.
Gene On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote: Hi List, I have a local grocery store website I visit each week to see the current flyer. Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer. Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale. After a lot lot of tabbing I hear; “navigation bar frame preview” Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point? It is very close to the items for sale. Thanks, Mont
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Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA calls it find.
I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.
Gene
On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Gene, my bad.
I am using current versions ov win10
with latest nvda and google chrome.
When you say to use the search
function, is that the same as find?
Use the screen-reader's search the page
function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and
most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.
I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't
discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if
you have questions.
Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such
cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently
to something don't work, find what you are looking for by
looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something
that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you
are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most
efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably
farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time
on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the
item you are looking for in an efficient way.
Gene
On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi List,
I have a local
grocery store website I visit each week to see the
current flyer.
Like all commercial
web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get
to the actual flyer.
Using the heading or
list keys do not get me to the items for sale.
After a lot lot of
tabbing I hear;
“navigation bar
frame preview”
Is there a keystroke
that will get me to this point?
It is very close to
the items for sale.
Thanks,
Mont
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Gene wrote; :I wonder if Luke’s suggestion will work” Gene, I did not . see a message from luke on this subject. Thanks, Mont
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 20, 2023 7:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] navigation bar frame preview Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA calls it find.
I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.
Gene On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single wrote: Gene, my bad. I am using current versions ov win10 with latest nvda and google chrome. When you say to use the search function, is that the same as find? Use the screen-reader's search the page function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.
I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't discuss how to search and you likely already know how. Ask if you have questions.
Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In such cases as this, where means you usually use to move efficiently to something don't work, find what you are looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to look for something that is always immediately above or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every time on that page, use search from the top of the page to find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.
Gene On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single wrote: Hi List, I have a local grocery store website I visit each week to see the current flyer. Like all commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff before you get to the actual flyer. Using the heading or list keys do not get me to the items for sale. After a lot lot of tabbing I hear; “navigation bar frame preview” Is there a keystroke that will get me to this point? It is very close to the items for sale. Thanks, Mont
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I think it was Luke. I'll check.
Gene
On 1/20/2023 8:09 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Gene wrote;
:I wonder if Luke’s suggestion will
work”
Gene, I did not . see a message from
luke on this subject.
Thanks,
Mont
Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA
calls it find.
I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.
Gene
On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Gene, my bad.
I am using current versions ov win10
with latest nvda and google chrome.
When you say to use the search
function, is that the same as find?
Use the screen-reader's search the page
function to find it. Search is one of the most powerful
and most un or underused ways to navigate web pages.
I don't know what screen-reader you use so I won't
discuss how to search and you likely already know how.
Ask if you have questions.
Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In
such cases as this, where means you usually use to move
efficiently to something don't work, find what you are
looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow to
look for something that is always immediately above or
close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing may
not move you to the most efficient repeated text. It may
be somewhat or considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every
time on that page, use search from the top of the page to
find the item you are looking for in an efficient way.
Gene
On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Hi List,
I have a local
grocery store website I visit each week to see the
current flyer.
Like all
commercial web sites, there is a truckload of stuff
before you get to the actual flyer.
Using the
heading or list keys do not get me to the items for
sale.
After a lot lot
of tabbing I hear;
“navigation bar
frame preview”
Is there a
keystroke that will get me to this point?
It is very close
to the items for sale.
Thanks,
Mont
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I don't know if you received it, but Luke wrote the following, which I'll place under my signature.
Gene
Have you tried searching for any of those words in the Commands Quick Reference? (NVDA+N, H, Q)
Were you to do so, you would likely find the Single Letter Navigation heading, and under it:
M: frame
So, try pressing M, and there is a probability that it will jump you directly to the frame containing the navigation bar / preview.
Luke
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Monte Single wrote: Gene wrote;
:I wonder if Luke’s suggestion will work”
Gene, I did not . see a message from luke on this subject. Written within 10 minutes or so of your question, I suggested that you search for some of the words in the line in question in NVDA's command quick reference (NVDA+N, H, Q). I said that if you did, you would find the "m" command, which jumps you to the previous/next frame. Of course, if you didn't get that one, you may not get this one. Luke
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Perhaps my imagination; but, in these cases, can one confuse the
terms screen and page? It seems that the NVDA command: NVDA plus
control plus f, will search the entire page, which may not fit on
the screen. As opposed to a browser or windows search command:
control plus f will search the visible screen? This is a bit
confusing to me. But, in my case, if one don't work, I try the
other one.
Howard
On 1/20/2023 8:16 PM, Gene wrote:
I think it was Luke. I'll check.
Gene
On 1/20/2023 8:09 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Gene wrote;
:I wonder if Luke’s suggestion will
work”
Gene, I did not . see a message
from luke on this subject.
Thanks,
Mont
Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA
calls it find.
I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.
Gene
On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Gene, my bad.
I am using current versions ov win10
with latest nvda and google chrome.
When you say to use the search
function, is that the same as find?
Use the screen-reader's search the
page function to find it. Search is one of the most
powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web
pages.
I don't know what screen-reader you use so I
won't discuss how to search and you likely already know
how. Ask if you have questions.
Start at the top of the page and search for preview. In
such cases as this, where means you usually use to move
efficiently to something don't work, find what you are
looking for by looking through the page, then up arrow
to look for something that is always immediately above
or close to, above, what you are looking for. Tabbing
may not move you to the most efficient repeated text.
It may be somewhat or considerably farther up the
screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present every
time on that page, use search from the top of the page
to find the item you are looking for in an efficient
way.
Gene
On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Hi List,
I have a local
grocery store website I visit each week to see
the current flyer.
Like all
commercial web sites, there is a truckload of
stuff before you get to the actual flyer.
Using the
heading or list keys do not get me to the items
for sale.
After a lot
lot of tabbing I hear;
“navigation
bar frame preview”
Is there a
keystroke that will get me to this point?
It is very
close to the items for sale.
Thanks,
Mont
--
I am not an animal! I am ... well, not an animal.
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Hi,
Control+F (browser find) and Control+NVDA+F (NVDA browse mode find) will search the entire page (tried with a long Wikipedia article which doesn't fit a single screen; this is Edge 109).
Cheers,
Joseph
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First, I am talking about when in browse mode. When not in browse
mode, use whatever command the application itself uses for search,
usually control f. In applications when not in browse mode, the
application's search command generally searches the entire document.
You aren't supposed to use control f when searching in browse mode.
The correct command is the NVDA command control NVDA key f. That
searches the entire page but it stops at the first place it
encounters what is being searched for, thus, while it may search the
entire page if it doesn't find what it is looking for, if it does,
it only searches until it finds it.
Control f searches the entire page as well but it doesn't search the
copy of the page that is in the virtual buffer and used by the
virtual cursor. Therefore, it doesn't coordinate with the virtual
cursor and is not intended to be used when in browse mode.
Gene
On 1/21/2023 8:10 AM, Howard Traxler
wrote:
Perhaps my imagination; but, in these cases, can one confuse
the terms screen and page? It seems that the NVDA command:
NVDA plus control plus f, will search the entire page, which may
not fit on the screen. As opposed to a browser or windows
search command: control plus f will search the visible screen?
This is a bit confusing to me. But, in my case, if one don't
work, I try the other one.
Howard
On 1/20/2023 8:16 PM, Gene wrote:
I
think it was Luke. I'll check.
Gene
On 1/20/2023 8:09 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Gene wrote;
:I wonder if Luke’s suggestion
will work”
Gene, I did not . see a message
from luke on this subject.
Thanks,
Mont
Yes. I think of it as search but NVDA
calls it find.
I wonder if Luke's suggestion will work in this case.
Gene
On 1/20/2023 7:23 PM, Monte Single
wrote:
Gene, my bad.
I am using current versions ov
win10 with latest nvda and google chrome.
When you say to use the search
function, is that the same as find?
Use the screen-reader's search the
page function to find it. Search is one of the most
powerful and most un or underused ways to navigate web
pages.
I don't know what screen-reader you use so I
won't discuss how to search and you likely already
know how. Ask if you have questions.
Start at the top of the page and search for preview.
In such cases as this, where means you usually use to
move efficiently to something don't work, find what
you are looking for by looking through the page, then
up arrow to look for something that is always
immediately above or close to, above, what you are
looking for. Tabbing may not move you to the most
efficient repeated text. It may be somewhat or
considerably farther up the screen.
Then, when you find something you thing is present
every time on that page, use search from the top of
the page to find the item you are looking for in an
efficient way.
Gene
On 1/19/2023 9:28 PM, Monte
Single wrote:
Hi List,
I have a
local grocery store website I visit each week
to see the current flyer.
Like all
commercial web sites, there is a truckload of
stuff before you get to the actual flyer.
Using the
heading or list keys do not get me to the items
for sale.
After a lot
lot of tabbing I hear;
“navigation
bar frame preview”
Is there a
keystroke that will get me to this point?
It is very
close to the items for sale.
Thanks,
Mont
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I am not an animal! I am ... well, not an animal.
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