Can I ask a question? I tried to use Chat-GPT with NVDA but it doesn't read the chat and in general seems it is difficult to navigate the browser's page.

How can I use NVDA with Chat-GPT?  What commands must I use?

Can I ask a question? I tried to use Chat-GPT with NVDA but it doesn't read the chat and in general seems it is difficult to navigate the browser's page.

How can I use NVDA with Chat-GPT?  What commands must I use?

I suppose so. They’re taking this thing rather seriously. I actually wodnered if it was in part to track user responses, to prevent something like a repeat of the Microsoft AI fiasco. But I don’t know how much user responses actually influence the AI. It told me it gleaned most of its stuff from old sources in the public domain and nothing newer than 2021, so I guess once your session with it ends, your conversation’s data points are cleared.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: January 20, 2023 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with Chat-GPT

 

I think all of the security is intended to keep your individual interactions private and secure.

 

Russ

 

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023, 9:31 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Hey.

Just played with it some the other day and it worked ok using chrome. The most difficult thing was actually verifying myself to it, but once I logged inw ith my google account it was fine. I’m not really sure why they do all the security measures and at first they made me pretty reluctant to bother with it. Ultimately I think most people will use it as a toy. It’s pretty fun. I got it to write a toothbrusha d in the style of mark Twain, a scene in the style of Robert E. Howard’s Conan stories, a scene about Dracula as played by Christopher Lee dying an exultant death by poisoned blood, and an essay about vampirism in the style of Charles Darwin. The latter made the system fall over and generate an errora nd my text disappeared. Must have been the undead cabal at work, protecting their kind.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of email.gioele8@...
Sent: January 20, 2023 3:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA with Chat-GPT

 

Can I ask a question? I tried to use Chat-GPT with NVDA but it doesn't read the chat and in general seems it is difficult to navigate the browser's page.

How can I use NVDA with Chat-GPT?  What commands must I use?

On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:47 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 If you read the FAQ, you will find that your interactions are kept for possible analysis.  I am not assuming they keep track of who you are, but never assume and don't give personal information.  I think the site may even say not to submit personal information. 

As to why they want to verify you and use two-factor authentication, I have no idea.

There is such enormous interest and use that who knows how likely it is that your questions or responses will be looked at.  But the reason the bot is currently available is so that the designers can improve it, using data from interactions with people.

Unfortunately, the site is not fully accessible, with a number of unlabeled buttons.  If they were labeled, perhaps we could do things like comment on and rate the performance of the bot. 

Also, I'm not saying your sessions are stored under your name.  I have no idea.  Perhaps all your sessions are stored under some code that allows the researchers to know they are all the same person, but not who that person is.  The reasons for verification may have nothing to do with knowing who you are.  Perhaps they are afraid of the bot somehow being used by other bots or some sort of automated systems for some improper purposes.

Gene

On 1/20/2023 9:12 AM, JM Casey wrote:

I suppose so. They’re taking this thing rather seriously. I actually wodnered if it was in part to track user responses, to prevent something like a repeat of the Microsoft AI fiasco. But I don’t know how much user responses actually influence the AI. It told me it gleaned most of its stuff from old sources in the public domain and nothing newer than 2021, so I guess once your session with it ends, your conversation’s data points are cleared.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: January 20, 2023 9:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with Chat-GPT

 

I think all of the security is intended to keep your individual interactions private and secure.

 

Russ

 

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023, 9:31 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Hey.

Just played with it some the other day and it worked ok using chrome. The most difficult thing was actually verifying myself to it, but once I logged inw ith my google account it was fine. I’m not really sure why they do all the security measures and at first they made me pretty reluctant to bother with it. Ultimately I think most people will use it as a toy. It’s pretty fun. I got it to write a toothbrusha d in the style of mark Twain, a scene in the style of Robert E. Howard’s Conan stories, a scene about Dracula as played by Christopher Lee dying an exultant death by poisoned blood, and an essay about vampirism in the style of Charles Darwin. The latter made the system fall over and generate an errora nd my text disappeared. Must have been the undead cabal at work, protecting their kind.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of email.gioele8@...
Sent: January 20, 2023 3:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA with Chat-GPT

 

Can I ask a question? I tried to use Chat-GPT with NVDA but it doesn't read the chat and in general seems it is difficult to navigate the browser's page.

How can I use NVDA with Chat-GPT?  What commands must I use?

Hmmm I didn't know that a web version of this thing existed...
But from what I've heard about this thing, it's pretty interesting. This made me wonder...whether NVDA could encorporate Chat GPT in some form in the future...

Well, perhaps using Chat GPT to automatically fill out the github template for bug reporting?
Maybe there are some other ways of which Chat GPT can be implemented into NVDA that I'm not aware of, given the potentially huge scale of its application...

Hm, interesting idea about the github reports. I’ve never filed one myself but I wouldn’t have thought of that as a possible application for the software. Maye I should ask it about github reports in general and see what it says. It is pretty forthcoming about answers related to its possible applications.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut Leepaisomboon
Sent: January 21, 2023 5:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with Chat-GPT

 

Well, perhaps using Chat GPT to automatically fill out the github template for bug reporting?
Maybe there are some other ways of which Chat GPT can be implemented into NVDA that I'm not aware of, given the potentially huge scale of its application...

I am opposed to uses of this sort and I don't think the bot can be used constructively in this way. 

For one thing, it does something blind people can learn to do, perhaps with a little instruction and thus keeps blind people from having an experience that may increase their confidence as computer users and elsewhere.

Also, you would have to tell the bot what to put in the reports, this isn't a matter for the bot finding existing information and writing it in a desired form, this is new information, unknown to the bot and you would have to tell it where to write. 

Gene

On 1/21/2023 5:13 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hm, interesting idea about the github reports. I’ve never filed one myself but I wouldn’t have thought of that as a possible application for the software. Maye I should ask it about github reports in general and see what it says. It is pretty forthcoming about answers related to its possible applications.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Supanut Leepaisomboon
Sent: January 21, 2023 5:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA with Chat-GPT

 

Well, perhaps using Chat GPT to automatically fill out the github template for bug reporting?
Maybe there are some other ways of which Chat GPT can be implemented into NVDA that I'm not aware of, given the potentially huge scale of its application...

I used Microsoft Edge. Pratically I went to the site of ChatGPT and with TAB I can go in the space where write the question. But NVDA don't say to me that Chat GPT are writing something. Using TAB I can't go in the part of the page where he writes the messages.
How can I hear what it write? 

It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  When you are in the edit field, use the command NVDA key space and see if you can write.  If you can, that means you are not automatically being switched to focus mode on the page.  If that is the problem, after you type something, if you can read what you've typed press enter to send it to the bot.  Then manually switch back to browse mode using the same command, if you aren't automatically switched after a moment. 

If this solves the problem, it is another demonstration of my contention that it is better to manually switch modes rather than have NVDA set to do so and have it do so automatically. 

Gene

On 1/22/2023 9:13 AM, email.gioele8@... wrote:

I used Microsoft Edge. Pratically I went to the site of ChatGPT and with TAB I can go in the space where write the question. But NVDA don't say to me that Chat GPT are writing something. Using TAB I can't go in the part of the page where he writes the messages.
How can I hear what it write? 

I just tried tabbing to the edit field using NVDA default settings.  When I tabbed into the edit field, I was automatically switched to focus mode when using the Brave browser.  I haven't signed in on Edge.  I may try it.  But we now know that the edit field is a standard one and works as expected unless there is a problem.

I doubt Edge is the problem, both Edge and Brave are Chrome-based browsers.  but if my method of solving the problem doesn't work, which I gave in my last message, you may want to try another browser.

Gene

On 1/22/2023 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:

It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  When you are in the edit field, use the command NVDA key space and see if you can write.  If you can, that means you are not automatically being switched to focus mode on the page.  If that is the problem, after you type something, if you can read what you've typed press enter to send it to the bot.  Then manually switch back to browse mode using the same command, if you aren't automatically switched after a moment. 

If this solves the problem, it is another demonstration of my contention that it is better to manually switch modes rather than have NVDA set to do so and have it do so automatically. 

Gene

On 1/22/2023 9:13 AM, email.gioele8@... wrote:

I used Microsoft Edge. Pratically I went to the site of ChatGPT and with TAB I can go in the space where write the question. But NVDA don't say to me that Chat GPT are writing something. Using TAB I can't go in the part of the page where he writes the messages.
How can I hear what it write? 

To find the response, you have to go back above the edit box for input.  Chat GPT appears to put the response text here, and there is some separation between replies if, for example, you aske it to refine a previous response.  I'd like that to be separated by headers or landmarks, but it wasn't when I had a go last week.

Christopher Bartlett

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:44 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

For some reason, I can't get past the initial verification screen using Edge so I can't try the site with it.

Gene

On 1/22/2023 9:37 AM, Gene wrote:

I just tried tabbing to the edit field using NVDA default settings.  When I tabbed into the edit field, I was automatically switched to focus mode when using the Brave browser.  I haven't signed in on Edge.  I may try it.  But we now know that the edit field is a standard one and works as expected unless there is a problem.

I doubt Edge is the problem, both Edge and Brave are Chrome-based browsers.  but if my method of solving the problem doesn't work, which I gave in my last message, you may want to try another browser.

Gene

On 1/22/2023 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:

It isn't clear to me what the problem is.  When you are in the edit field, use the command NVDA key space and see if you can write.  If you can, that means you are not automatically being switched to focus mode on the page.  If that is the problem, after you type something, if you can read what you've typed press enter to send it to the bot.  Then manually switch back to browse mode using the same command, if you aren't automatically switched after a moment. 

If this solves the problem, it is another demonstration of my contention that it is better to manually switch modes rather than have NVDA set to do so and have it do so automatically. 

Gene

On 1/22/2023 9:13 AM, email.gioele8@... wrote:

I used Microsoft Edge. Pratically I went to the site of ChatGPT and with TAB I can go in the space where write the question. But NVDA don't say to me that Chat GPT are writing something. Using TAB I can't go in the part of the page where he writes the messages.
How can I hear what it write? 

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Christopher Bartlett