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The command will move through text and begin reading after it sees a
blank line.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 7:07 AM, William wrote:
Oh does that mean it will skip empty lines in between?
Gene 於 25/1/2023 20:10 寫道:
In a
text document, a paragraph is indicated by a blank line. When
you use the up and down arrow keys, you are moving up or down by
one line.
The generally used command in programs to move down by paragraph
is control down arrow. I haven't checked, but I would think
that control up arrow moves you up by paragraph.
Notepad doesn't support moving by paragraph and NVDA is going to
add that ability when using Notepad.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 5:53 AM, William
wrote:
Sorry, I cannot quite understand, what is the real effect
of a read by paragraph of a text editor?
How is it different from what we are doing with reading by
pressing up or down arrow using nvda?
Gene 於 25/1/2023 19:25 寫道:
That's good. While I have almost never used the read by
paragraph feature in text editors, I consider that an
important feature. A sighted person can just look at a text
document and see paragraph divisions and skip paragraphs or
look for relevant paragraphs in something being read. A
blind person can't do this unless this feature is present.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 1:13 AM, Cyrille
via groups.io wrote:
Hello
One additional information: Unless a problem is found,
NVDA 2023.1 will ship with an option allowing to navigate
by paragraph in application that do not support it
natively.
Cheers,
Cyrille
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 04:52 AM, Gene wrote:
The reason JAWS reads by paragraph in Notepad
is because it is scripted to override Notepad not
providing that ability. When you read by paragraph in
Word or other word processors that support it, you are
using an actual command, I'm not sure if it is a program
command or a Windows command that works in most edit
fields. Whatever the case, Notepad doesn't support the
command and NVDA doesn't add support for it.
Should JAWS add support for a function that isn't in the
program? That's an interesting question but whatever
the case, that is the answer to your question.
Gene
On 1/24/2023 9:01 PM, Chad
Fenton wrote:
Moderator note:
I've moved the system information provided by this
user to the start of the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of
Notepad++ I tried was version 8.4.8, which I
believe is the newest version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have
just started working with NVDA as a backup, and I
believe the product has a lot of potential.
However, I’ve encountered an issue I’m hoping
someone can help to clarify. When using Jaws and
text editors like Notepad, You can use the Windows
keystroke control up arrow and control down arrow
to read by previous and next paragraph. However,
when I try the same thing with NVDA 2022.4 and
text editors like Notepad and Notepad++, NVDA only
reads the paragraph you are on and not the
previous or next one. I’ve tried maximizing the
screen and ensuring word wrap is on, but the
behavior persists. There is no issue when reading
by character, word, line, or sentence.
The only app I’ve found
where NVDA reliably reads by paragraph is a text
reader called QRead. Is there a way to fix this
behavior, or can anyone recommend a text editor
that works well with NVDA? Ideally, I’m looking
for one which saves your place when reading large
documents.
Any assistance is
greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Chad
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Oh does that mean it will skip empty lines in between?
Gene 於 25/1/2023 20:10 寫道:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
In a
text document, a paragraph is indicated by a blank line. When you
use the up and down arrow keys, you are moving up or down by one
line.
The generally used command in programs to move down by paragraph
is control down arrow. I haven't checked, but I would think that
control up arrow moves you up by paragraph.
Notepad doesn't support moving by paragraph and NVDA is going to
add that ability when using Notepad.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 5:53 AM, William wrote:
Sorry, I cannot quite understand, what is the real effect of
a read by paragraph of a text editor?
How is it different from what we are doing with reading by
pressing up or down arrow using nvda?
Gene 於 25/1/2023 19:25 寫道:
That's good. While I have almost never used the read by
paragraph feature in text editors, I consider that an
important feature. A sighted person can just look at a text
document and see paragraph divisions and skip paragraphs or
look for relevant paragraphs in something being read. A blind
person can't do this unless this feature is present.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 1:13 AM, Cyrille via
groups.io wrote:
Hello
One additional information: Unless a problem is found, NVDA
2023.1 will ship with an option allowing to navigate by
paragraph in application that do not support it natively.
Cheers,
Cyrille
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 04:52 AM, Gene wrote:
The reason JAWS reads by paragraph in Notepad is
because it is scripted to override Notepad not providing
that ability. When you read by paragraph in Word or other
word processors that support it, you are using an actual
command, I'm not sure if it is a program command or a
Windows command that works in most edit fields. Whatever
the case, Notepad doesn't support the command and NVDA
doesn't add support for it.
Should JAWS add support for a function that isn't in the
program? That's an interesting question but whatever the
case, that is the answer to your question.
Gene
On 1/24/2023 9:01 PM, Chad
Fenton wrote:
Moderator note:
I've moved the system information provided by this
user to the start of the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of
Notepad++ I tried was version 8.4.8, which I believe
is the newest version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have just
started working with NVDA as a backup, and I believe
the product has a lot of potential. However, I’ve
encountered an issue I’m hoping someone can help to
clarify. When using Jaws and text editors like
Notepad, You can use the Windows keystroke control
up arrow and control down arrow to read by previous
and next paragraph. However, when I try the same
thing with NVDA 2022.4 and text editors like Notepad
and Notepad++, NVDA only reads the paragraph you are
on and not the previous or next one. I’ve tried
maximizing the screen and ensuring word wrap is on,
but the behavior persists. There is no issue when
reading by character, word, line, or sentence.
The only app I’ve found
where NVDA reliably reads by paragraph is a text
reader called QRead. Is there a way to fix this
behavior, or can anyone recommend a text editor that
works well with NVDA? Ideally, I’m looking for one
which saves your place when reading large documents.
Any assistance is greatly
appreciated.
Regards,
Chad
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It sounds as though that is the case.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 6:25 AM, Chad Fenton
wrote:
I could be wrong in my interpretation of
Cyrille’s email, but the upcoming new feature may allow NVDA
users to move by paragraph not only in Notepad, but also in
other applications which do not natively support it. Of
course, this may be on a case by case basis and some programs
may not support it out of the box.
In a text document, a paragraph is
indicated by a blank line. When you use the up and down arrow
keys, you are moving up or down by one line.
The generally used command in programs to move down by
paragraph is control down arrow. I haven't checked, but I
would think that control up arrow moves you up by paragraph.
Notepad doesn't support moving by paragraph and NVDA is going
to add that ability when using Notepad.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 5:53 AM, William wrote:
Sorry, I cannot quite understand, what is the real effect
of a read by paragraph of a text editor?
How is it different from what we are doing with reading by
pressing up or down arrow using nvda?
Gene 於 25/1/2023 19:25 寫道:
That's good. While I have almost never
used the read by paragraph feature in text editors, I
consider that an important feature. A sighted person can
just look at a text document and see paragraph divisions
and skip paragraphs or look for relevant paragraphs in
something being read. A blind person can't do this unless
this feature is present.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 1:13 AM, Cyrille via
groups.io wrote:
Hello
One additional information: Unless a problem is found,
NVDA 2023.1 will ship with an option allowing to
navigate by paragraph in application that do not support
it natively.
Cheers,
Cyrille
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 04:52 AM, Gene wrote:
The reason JAWS reads by paragraph
in Notepad is because it is scripted to override
Notepad not providing that ability. When you read by
paragraph in Word or other word processors that
support it, you are using an actual command, I'm not
sure if it is a program command or a Windows command
that works in most edit fields. Whatever the case,
Notepad doesn't support the command and NVDA doesn't
add support for it.
Should JAWS add support for a function that isn't in
the program? That's an interesting question but
whatever the case, that is the answer to your
question.
Gene
On 1/24/2023 9:01 PM, Chad Fenton
wrote:
Moderator
note: I've moved the system
information provided by this user to the start of
the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of
Notepad++ I tried was version 8.4.8, which I
believe is the newest version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have
just started working with NVDA as a backup, and I
believe the product has a lot of potential.
However, I’ve encountered an issue I’m hoping
someone can help to clarify. When using Jaws and
text editors like Notepad, You can use the Windows
keystroke control up arrow and control down arrow
to read by previous and next paragraph. However,
when I try the same thing with NVDA 2022.4 and
text editors like Notepad and Notepad++, NVDA only
reads the paragraph you are on and not the
previous or next one. I’ve tried maximizing the
screen and ensuring word wrap is on, but the
behavior persists. There is no issue when reading
by character, word, line, or sentence.
The only app I’ve found
where NVDA reliably reads by paragraph is a text
reader called QRead. Is there a way to fix this
behavior, or can anyone recommend a text editor
that works well with NVDA? Ideally, I’m looking
for one which saves your place when reading large
documents.
Any assistance is
greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Chad
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I could be wrong in my interpretation of Cyrille’s email, but the upcoming new feature may allow NVDA users to move by paragraph not only in Notepad, but also in other applications which do not natively support it. Of course, this may be on a case by case basis and some programs may not support it out of the box.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2023 7:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading by paragraph with text editors using NVDA In a text document, a paragraph is indicated by a blank line. When you use the up and down arrow keys, you are moving up or down by one line.
The generally used command in programs to move down by paragraph is control down arrow. I haven't checked, but I would think that control up arrow moves you up by paragraph.
Notepad doesn't support moving by paragraph and NVDA is going to add that ability when using Notepad.
Gene On 1/25/2023 5:53 AM, William wrote: Sorry, I cannot quite understand, what is the real effect of a read by paragraph of a text editor? How is it different from what we are doing with reading by pressing up or down arrow using nvda? Gene 於 25/1/2023 19:25 寫道: That's good. While I have almost never used the read by paragraph feature in text editors, I consider that an important feature. A sighted person can just look at a text document and see paragraph divisions and skip paragraphs or look for relevant paragraphs in something being read. A blind person can't do this unless this feature is present.
Gene On 1/25/2023 1:13 AM, Cyrille via groups.io wrote: Hello
One additional information: Unless a problem is found, NVDA 2023.1 will ship with an option allowing to navigate by paragraph in application that do not support it natively.
Cheers,
Cyrille
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 04:52 AM, Gene wrote: The reason JAWS reads by paragraph in Notepad is because it is scripted to override Notepad not providing that ability. When you read by paragraph in Word or other word processors that support it, you are using an actual command, I'm not sure if it is a program command or a Windows command that works in most edit fields. Whatever the case, Notepad doesn't support the command and NVDA doesn't add support for it.
Should JAWS add support for a function that isn't in the program? That's an interesting question but whatever the case, that is the answer to your question.
Gene On 1/24/2023 9:01 PM, Chad Fenton wrote: Moderator note: I've moved the system information provided by this user to the start of the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of Notepad++ I tried was version 8.4.8, which I believe is the newest version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have just started working with NVDA as a backup, and I believe the product has a lot of potential. However, I’ve encountered an issue I’m hoping someone can help to clarify. When using Jaws and text editors like Notepad, You can use the Windows keystroke control up arrow and control down arrow to read by previous and next paragraph. However, when I try the same thing with NVDA 2022.4 and text editors like Notepad and Notepad++, NVDA only reads the paragraph you are on and not the previous or next one. I’ve tried maximizing the screen and ensuring word wrap is on, but the behavior persists. There is no issue when reading by character, word, line, or sentence. The only app I’ve found where NVDA reliably reads by paragraph is a text reader called QRead. Is there a way to fix this behavior, or can anyone recommend a text editor that works well with NVDA? Ideally, I’m looking for one which saves your place when reading large documents. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Regards, Chad
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In a text document, a paragraph is indicated by a blank line. When
you use the up and down arrow keys, you are moving up or down by one
line.
The generally used command in programs to move down by paragraph is
control down arrow. I haven't checked, but I would think that
control up arrow moves you up by paragraph.
Notepad doesn't support moving by paragraph and NVDA is going to add
that ability when using Notepad.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 5:53 AM, William wrote:
Sorry, I cannot quite understand, what is the real effect of a
read by paragraph of a text editor?
How is it different from what we are doing with reading by
pressing up or down arrow using nvda?
Gene 於 25/1/2023 19:25 寫道:
That's good. While I have almost never used the read by
paragraph feature in text editors, I consider that an important
feature. A sighted person can just look at a text document and
see paragraph divisions and skip paragraphs or look for relevant
paragraphs in something being read. A blind person can't do
this unless this feature is present.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 1:13 AM, Cyrille via
groups.io wrote:
Hello
One additional information: Unless a problem is found, NVDA
2023.1 will ship with an option allowing to navigate by
paragraph in application that do not support it natively.
Cheers,
Cyrille
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 04:52 AM, Gene wrote:
The reason JAWS reads by paragraph in Notepad is
because it is scripted to override Notepad not providing
that ability. When you read by paragraph in Word or other
word processors that support it, you are using an actual
command, I'm not sure if it is a program command or a
Windows command that works in most edit fields. Whatever
the case, Notepad doesn't support the command and NVDA
doesn't add support for it.
Should JAWS add support for a function that isn't in the
program? That's an interesting question but whatever the
case, that is the answer to your question.
Gene
On 1/24/2023 9:01 PM, Chad
Fenton wrote:
Moderator note:
I've moved the system information provided by this
user to the start of the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of
Notepad++ I tried was version 8.4.8, which I believe
is the newest version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have just
started working with NVDA as a backup, and I believe
the product has a lot of potential. However, I’ve
encountered an issue I’m hoping someone can help to
clarify. When using Jaws and text editors like
Notepad, You can use the Windows keystroke control up
arrow and control down arrow to read by previous and
next paragraph. However, when I try the same thing
with NVDA 2022.4 and text editors like Notepad and
Notepad++, NVDA only reads the paragraph you are on
and not the previous or next one. I’ve tried
maximizing the screen and ensuring word wrap is on,
but the behavior persists. There is no issue when
reading by character, word, line, or sentence.
The only app I’ve found
where NVDA reliably reads by paragraph is a text
reader called QRead. Is there a way to fix this
behavior, or can anyone recommend a text editor that
works well with NVDA? Ideally, I’m looking for one
which saves your place when reading large documents.
Any assistance is greatly
appreciated.
Regards,
Chad
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|
Sorry, I cannot quite understand, what is the real effect of a
read by paragraph of a text editor?
How is it different from what we are doing with reading by
pressing up or down arrow using nvda?
Gene 於 25/1/2023 19:25 寫道:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
That's
good. While I have almost never used the read by paragraph
feature in text editors, I consider that an important feature. A
sighted person can just look at a text document and see paragraph
divisions and skip paragraphs or look for relevant paragraphs in
something being read. A blind person can't do this unless this
feature is present.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 1:13 AM, Cyrille via
groups.io wrote:
Hello
One additional information: Unless a problem is found, NVDA
2023.1 will ship with an option allowing to navigate by
paragraph in application that do not support it natively.
Cheers,
Cyrille
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 04:52 AM, Gene wrote:
The reason JAWS reads by paragraph in Notepad is
because it is scripted to override Notepad not providing that
ability. When you read by paragraph in Word or other word
processors that support it, you are using an actual command,
I'm not sure if it is a program command or a Windows command
that works in most edit fields. Whatever the case, Notepad
doesn't support the command and NVDA doesn't add support for
it.
Should JAWS add support for a function that isn't in the
program? That's an interesting question but whatever the
case, that is the answer to your question.
Gene
On 1/24/2023 9:01 PM, Chad Fenton
wrote:
Moderator note:
I've moved the system information provided by this user
to the start of the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of
Notepad++ I tried was version 8.4.8, which I believe is
the newest version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have just
started working with NVDA as a backup, and I believe the
product has a lot of potential. However, I’ve
encountered an issue I’m hoping someone can help to
clarify. When using Jaws and text editors like Notepad,
You can use the Windows keystroke control up arrow and
control down arrow to read by previous and next
paragraph. However, when I try the same thing with NVDA
2022.4 and text editors like Notepad and Notepad++, NVDA
only reads the paragraph you are on and not the previous
or next one. I’ve tried maximizing the screen and
ensuring word wrap is on, but the behavior persists.
There is no issue when reading by character, word, line,
or sentence.
The only app I’ve found where
NVDA reliably reads by paragraph is a text reader called
QRead. Is there a way to fix this behavior, or can
anyone recommend a text editor that works well with
NVDA? Ideally, I’m looking for one which saves your
place when reading large documents.
Any assistance is greatly
appreciated.
Regards,
Chad
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|
|
That's good. While I have almost never used the read by paragraph
feature in text editors, I consider that an important feature. A
sighted person can just look at a text document and see paragraph
divisions and skip paragraphs or look for relevant paragraphs in
something being read. A blind person can't do this unless this
feature is present.
Gene
On 1/25/2023 1:13 AM, Cyrille via
groups.io wrote:
Hello
One additional information: Unless a problem is found, NVDA 2023.1
will ship with an option allowing to navigate by paragraph in
application that do not support it natively.
Cheers,
Cyrille
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 04:52 AM, Gene wrote:
The reason JAWS reads by paragraph in Notepad is
because it is scripted to override Notepad not providing that
ability. When you read by paragraph in Word or other word
processors that support it, you are using an actual command, I'm
not sure if it is a program command or a Windows command that
works in most edit fields. Whatever the case, Notepad doesn't
support the command and NVDA doesn't add support for it.
Should JAWS add support for a function that isn't in the
program? That's an interesting question but whatever the case,
that is the answer to your question.
Gene
On 1/24/2023 9:01 PM, Chad Fenton
wrote:
Moderator note:
I've moved the system information provided by this user to
the start of the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of
Notepad++ I tried was version 8.4.8, which I believe is
the newest version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have just
started working with NVDA as a backup, and I believe the
product has a lot of potential. However, I’ve encountered
an issue I’m hoping someone can help to clarify. When
using Jaws and text editors like Notepad, You can use the
Windows keystroke control up arrow and control down arrow
to read by previous and next paragraph. However, when I
try the same thing with NVDA 2022.4 and text editors like
Notepad and Notepad++, NVDA only reads the paragraph you
are on and not the previous or next one. I’ve tried
maximizing the screen and ensuring word wrap is on, but
the behavior persists. There is no issue when reading by
character, word, line, or sentence.
The only app I’ve found where
NVDA reliably reads by paragraph is a text reader called
QRead. Is there a way to fix this behavior, or can anyone
recommend a text editor that works well with NVDA?
Ideally, I’m looking for one which saves your place when
reading large documents.
Any assistance is greatly
appreciated.
Regards,
Chad
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Hello
One additional information: Unless a problem is found, NVDA 2023.1 will ship with an option allowing to navigate by paragraph in application that do not support it natively.
Cheers,
Cyrille
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 04:52 AM, Gene wrote:
The reason JAWS reads by paragraph in Notepad is because it is scripted to override Notepad not providing that ability. When you read by paragraph in Word or other word processors that support it, you are using an actual command, I'm not sure if it is a program command or a Windows command that works in most edit fields. Whatever the case, Notepad doesn't support the command and NVDA doesn't add support for it.
Should JAWS add support for a function that isn't in the program? That's an interesting question but whatever the case, that is the answer to your question.
Gene
On 1/24/2023 9:01 PM, Chad Fenton wrote:
Moderator note: I've moved the system information provided by this user to the start of the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of Notepad++ I tried was version 8.4.8, which I believe is the newest version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have just started working with NVDA as a backup, and I believe the product has a lot of potential. However, I’ve encountered an issue I’m hoping someone can help to clarify. When using Jaws and text editors like Notepad, You can use the Windows keystroke control up arrow and control down arrow to read by previous and next paragraph. However, when I try the same thing with NVDA 2022.4 and text editors like Notepad and Notepad++, NVDA only reads the paragraph you are on and not the previous or next one. I’ve tried maximizing the screen and ensuring word wrap is on, but the behavior persists. There is no issue when reading by character, word, line, or sentence.
The only app I’ve found where NVDA reliably reads by paragraph is a text reader called QRead. Is there a way to fix this behavior, or can anyone recommend a text editor that works well with NVDA? Ideally, I’m looking for one which saves your place when reading large documents.
Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Chad
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The reason JAWS reads by paragraph in Notepad is because it is
scripted to override Notepad not providing that ability. When you
read by paragraph in Word or other word processors that support it,
you are using an actual command, I'm not sure if it is a program
command or a Windows command that works in most edit fields.
Whatever the case, Notepad doesn't support the command and NVDA
doesn't add support for it.
Should JAWS add support for a function that isn't in the program?
That's an interesting question but whatever the case, that is the
answer to your question.
Gene
On 1/24/2023 9:01 PM, Chad Fenton
wrote:
Moderator note:
I've moved the system information provided by this user to the
start of the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of Notepad++ I
tried was version 8.4.8, which I believe is the newest
version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have just started
working with NVDA as a backup, and I believe the product has a
lot of potential. However, I’ve encountered an issue I’m
hoping someone can help to clarify. When using Jaws and text
editors like Notepad, You can use the Windows keystroke
control up arrow and control down arrow to read by previous
and next paragraph. However, when I try the same thing with
NVDA 2022.4 and text editors like Notepad and Notepad++, NVDA
only reads the paragraph you are on and not the previous or
next one. I’ve tried maximizing the screen and ensuring word
wrap is on, but the behavior persists. There is no issue when
reading by character, word, line, or sentence.
The only app I’ve found where NVDA
reliably reads by paragraph is a text reader called QRead. Is
there a way to fix this behavior, or can anyone recommend a
text editor that works well with NVDA? Ideally, I’m looking
for one which saves your place when reading large documents.
Any assistance is greatly
appreciated.
Regards,
Chad
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Moderator note: I've moved the system information provided by this user to the start of the message.
Windows 10 22h2, Build 19045.2486. The version of Notepad++ I tried was version 8.4.8, which I believe is the newest version.
Hi, everyone. I’m a longtime Jaws user and have just started working with NVDA as a backup, and I believe the product has a lot of potential. However, I’ve encountered an issue I’m hoping someone can help to clarify. When using Jaws and text editors like Notepad, You can use the Windows keystroke control up arrow and control down arrow to read by previous and next paragraph. However, when I try the same thing with NVDA 2022.4 and text editors like Notepad and Notepad++, NVDA only reads the paragraph you are on and not the previous or next one. I’ve tried maximizing the screen and ensuring word wrap is on, but the behavior persists. There is no issue when reading by character, word, line, or sentence.
The only app I’ve found where NVDA reliably reads by paragraph is a text reader called QRead. Is there a way to fix this behavior, or can anyone recommend a text editor that works well with NVDA? Ideally, I’m looking for one which saves your place when reading large documents.
Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Chad
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