Footnotes and Endnotes in PDF documents


Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Just circling back to this PDF footnote issue, since someone else asked about it.  I have created an issue at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/14819 

Anyone interested is encouraged to subscribe and / or comment on the issue.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 3:53 PM Yeti <jbslists@...> wrote:
Hello Listers,

is there a way to read Footnotes and Endnotes in PDF
documents with NVDA?

I've got a document, that contains Footnotes. In all
applications I tested (Edge, Chrome, FF, acrobat reader and
Foxit) the anchor of a footnote appears like

   lnk 1

but if I click it, nothing happens.

Any ideas?

Many thanks in advance for reading

Ad Astra

Yeti








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I have to say that when a PDF is remotely accessible at all, I'm pleased so the subtleties of such notes has passed me by really.
Are we saying that in effect, Though word makes a distinction between footnotes and end notes, PDFs just treat them all as footnotes, or do we actually know that the encoding is different and exposed to the API?
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2023 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Footnotes and Endnotes in PDF documents


Hi Quentin and All,



In the meantime I have found the following and would like to know whether this agrees with your observations:



#1 Adobe Reader and Foxit Reader make no distinction between footnotes and endnotes. All entries are displayed at the end of the respective document.



#2 Firefox shows footnotes where they would appear in the printout.



#3 Neither in FF nor in one of the explicit PDF readers exists a way to quickly switch back and forth between the footnote or endnote and its anchor with NVDA.



I made these observations with NVDA 22.4 under W10-64 22h2. However, they can also be verified under other - older - systems and with JAWS.



With curious greetings



Yeti


Yeti
 

Hi Quentin and All,

 

In the meantime I have found the following and would like to know whether this agrees with your observations:

 

#1 Adobe Reader and Foxit Reader make no distinction between footnotes and endnotes. All entries are displayed at the end of the respective document.

 

#2 Firefox shows footnotes where they would appear in the printout.

 

#3 Neither in FF nor in one of the explicit PDF readers exists a way to quickly switch back and forth between the footnote or endnote and its anchor with NVDA.

 

I made these observations with NVDA 22.4 under W10-64 22h2. However, they can also be verified under other - older - systems and with JAWS.

 

With curious greetings

 

Yeti


Quentin Christensen
 

Sorry, normally I'm the one asking those questions :)  And they're all very valid questions I should have answered!  I tested it, and then had to rush off so didn't get to write my response fully!

Ok, I tested it by creating a document in Word with footnotes and exporting as PDF - this is about the most accessible way I've found to create PDF files.

I'm using:
Windows 11 (64-bit) Version: 22H2, Build: 22621.1105
Office 365 (64-bit) Version: 16.0.16026.20140
NVDA 2022.4 
Adobe Acrobat Pro 2020 version 2020.005.30436

PDF files are each very different depending on how they were created. And indeed how you open them.

Testing the same file in Firefox version 109.0, it read similarly, with the footnote directly after the number, although not as smoothly.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 5:04 PM Yeti <jbslists@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

> I just tested this

Under which circumstances?
- Which reader?
- Which document? Public or not?
- What do you know about the creation of the document?

> the next thing it reads is the contents of that footnote.


I can't reproduce that in my document.

Per Aspera

Yeti








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Yeti
 

Hi Quentin,

I just tested this
Under which circumstances?
- Which reader?
- Which document? Public or not?
- What do you know about the creation of the document?

the next thing it reads is the contents of that footnote.

I can't reproduce that in my document.

Per Aspera

Yeti


Quentin Christensen
 

I just tested this and while it does read the anchor text then link then 1 (or the number of the current footnote), and you are right, it doesn't then act as a link, the next thing it reads is the contents of that footnote.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 3:53 PM Yeti <jbslists@...> wrote:
Hello Listers,

is there a way to read Footnotes and Endnotes in PDF
documents with NVDA?

I've got a document, that contains Footnotes. In all
applications I tested (Edge, Chrome, FF, acrobat reader and
Foxit) the anchor of a footnote appears like

   lnk 1

but if I click it, nothing happens.

Any ideas?

Many thanks in advance for reading

Ad Astra

Yeti








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Yeti
 

Hello Listers,

is there a way to read Footnotes and Endnotes in PDF
documents with NVDA?

I've got a document, that contains Footnotes. In all
applications I tested (Edge, Chrome, FF, acrobat reader and
Foxit) the anchor of a footnote appears like

lnk 1

but if I click it, nothing happens.

Any ideas?

Many thanks in advance for reading

Ad Astra

Yeti